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THURSDAY, AUG 23, 2012  |  133 comments
How Christian Colleges Become Bastions of Unbelief

What happened to so many once-Christian colleges in the United States? Two fine books describe the decline. George Marsden's 462-page The Soul of the American University shows how once-Protestant universities became secular look-alikes. James Burtchaell's The Dying of the Light: The Disengagement of Colleges and Universities from Their Christian Churches uses 868 pages to show not only how schools moved from liberal theism to secularism but how, before that, they moved from theologically conservative to liberal stances.

I'll try to give the high points of 1,330 pages in fewer than 1,330 words: Three central messages are (1) Follow the money, (2) Watch the college president, (3) See what the college does with Darwin. ...


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mjg fayetteville | NC  Contact via emailFind all comments by mjg fayetteville
Correction said: This is an erroneous assumption! It is well known for example that the Septuagint is an "inferior" translation, a fact known for 2000 years." How can it be inferior if Christ uses it....wouldn't that be heretical to say Gosd didn't know what He was doing.
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News Item8/24/12 3:28 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Are you Jim one of these people who believe the every whiter of the Bible was a Baptist?
And are you a "Baptist" brider?
And do know what I think when I hear contemporary? I see every church(including KJVO) that let the world in.
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News Item8/24/12 3:28 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
First of all, I'm not talking about the TNIV -- a bad version -- ...
Jim, you really should stop smokescreening. It is not cricket. And it is in bad taste.

Bad version? Bad translation? Paraphrase? Taking liberties?

The very first thing anybody needs to know is:-

Do we have God's Word in the Original Languages, namely Hebrew and Greek?

I say an emphatic "YES".

You say an emphatic "NO".

The Modern Versionist says an emphatic "NO".

The Modern Churches have statements of faith saying that they believe God's word was inspired and inerrant in the ORIGINAL mss. Correct!

But then they have doubts, and cannot take that correct belief forwards in time to the present day COPIES. They cannot believe that God has preserved his word intact, and enabled men to accurately translate that word into all the languages of the world. And thus the devil has won them over to do his will, by supplying false brethren to come forward and make "scholarly" arguments to convince weaker Christians that they cannot trust God's word in evaluating sound and true doctrine.

Most Christian colleges are now "bastions of unbelief". I do hope you are beginning to see why.

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News Item8/24/12 2:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
First of all, I'm not talking about the TNIV -- a bad version -- as even those who use the NIV would agree too. Yes, dynamic equivalence is used in it, but then no translation if free of that including the AV, and a dynamic equivalence Bible using good sources is much better than a "literal" Bible that uses bad sources such as the Textus Receptus, Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions

But no, the NIV (1984 and earlier) while quite a good Bible is not good expositional preaching q.v., Bible Translations: The Link between Exegesis And Expositional Preaching, but of course neither is a Bible that one would have to Strong's Concordance open beside it to be translating what the AV is saying. A pastor would be spending half his time translating.

You will note in that section of the article on conclusions, the NASB and ESV are ranked higher.

Remember a necessary condition for a Bible to be accepted by something other than a fringe group is that it has:

1. Baptists on the translation team
2. The translation is in good contemporary English.

The AV fails those tests.

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News Item8/24/12 2:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, the NIV is the Bible of choice for the English speaking peoples...
Considering the state of the English speaking peoples, that is hardly a sensible argument. It's like saying, "Well, the majority of English speaking people do not believe in Christ, therefore we should take note of that and do the same."
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News Item8/24/12 2:28 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Why not look that Bother Bryan Denlinger's website KJV Video Ministries look at his video exposed the NIV. Oh he used to believe that the NIV was God's word, Mr. Lincoln.
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News Item8/24/12 2:14 PM
correction  Find all comments by correction
mjg fayetteville wrote:
This means God almighty of the universe doesn't use the kjv and also seems to imply that God is perfectly ok with other renderings
This is an erroneous assumption!
It is well known for example that the Septuagint is an "inferior" translation, a fact known for 2000 years.

God has used the KJV for four centuries to build His church and teach His people.

Whereas modern versions have input from anglican Liberal papist sympathising heretics.

"The character of God's words is not found in the "so-called" Septuagint (LXX). God's words are verbally and plenarily inerrant, infallible, inspired, preserved, and precise (specific). Their precision is to the jot and tittle, the smallest parts of the Hebrew letters [Mat. 5:17-18]. The LXX is not precise (specific) by any stretch of the imagination, as this document will demonstrate." The Character of God's Words

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News Item8/24/12 2:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, the NIV is the Bible of choice for the English speaking peoples, and the 1984 and earlier versions are much superior to KJV, great literature, mediocre Bible, Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions. New King James Version I believe is more popular version than the **** *** version, q.v, II Peter 2:16, for an example why it is.

2 Peter 2
16but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.---ESV

For the The Biblical Position on The KJV Controversy John MacArthur gives some very valid points, but then the AV as a Bible is on the ash heap of history thankfully when one considers King James Version (KJV) ONLY???, enough reasons to get rid of this version, anyway.

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News Item8/24/12 1:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
mjg fayetteville wrote:
The kjv uses the masooretic texts to get the ot....
Do you know of ANY Bible which does NOT use the masoretic texts to translate the Old Testament?
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News Item8/24/12 1:18 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
The KJV is God's word to the English-speaking people of today not of Bible times. I will admit so of the KJVO do carry it too far. But just because of that does not mean the is KJV a honest and pure descendent of the Syrian text, and that the Lord made use that the any corruption would taken care of, like the "lost books".
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News Item8/24/12 12:52 PM
mjg fayetteville | NC  Contact via emailFind all comments by mjg fayetteville
The kjv uses the masooretic texts to get the ot. When Christ and the apostles in the nt were quoting the ot they used the septuagint. This means God almighty of the universe doesn't use the kjv and also seems to imply that God is perfectly ok with other renderings. Keep in mind I am not saying that all translations are equal.
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News Item8/24/12 11:20 AM
Waling  Find all comments by Waling
"What happened to so many once-Christian colleges in the United States? Two fine books describe the decline."

The Bible teaches that you cannot keep God in a temple.
Acts 17:24 "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;"

Good point and of course true.

Many denominations/churches over the years have not been able to "keep God" in their membership, eg ELCA, Episcopalian etc. Thus we know that the Holy Spirit is no longer a member there!

So we should not be too surprised that colleges once Christian became Liberal and now are secular on their way to hell and teaching the students how to get there too.

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News Item8/24/12 9:46 AM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Jim here some questions,
1. Why would sodomites support a Bible that speaks hatefully about them?
2. What does Nazism very got to do with the KJV?
3. Why is when you get in the Mormon cult the ones who -used- the KJV turned to other sources of their belief(this comes from a brother in the Lord, who hated Christianity because the occult destroy his first marriage)?
4. If the KJV is even ecumenical then why is the KJV is such a divider?
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News Item8/23/12 7:08 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
KJV English speaking-Onlyist wrote:
By a dad who the Lord set over me who studied, read, and taught me the Bible. And he believe the KJV was Bible. Who taught me the importance of not only reading the Bible and memorizing scripture, but would at times ask me what I read, and what the verse I memorize means. Who taught me that God Bible to me,him, I'd know when I am at the Judgement Seat of Christ and it is tried by fire(I Cor 3:10-15) and I get gold, silver, stones, or just ashes.
Thank you for sharing this testimony with me. You, your dad and 400yrson have truly made my day. Accept my right hand of fellowship and Blessings to you and your family.
Steve
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News Item8/23/12 6:17 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
By a dad who the Lord set over me who studied, read, and taught me the Bible. And he believe the KJV was Bible. Who taught me the importance of not only reading the Bible and memorizing scripture, but would at times ask me what I read, and what the verse I memorize means. Who taught me that God Bible to me,him, and all English speaking people is the KJV.
And when it came to comparing the versions the Lord had it where one of my Facebook contacts put on a video called; I used to be King James Only, but now...: by Bryan Denlinger. At first I thought that this was put by a person who lost his faith in the KJV, but no, he was still a KJVO, but as a English speaking person(which why I am a KJV English speaking-Onlyist). And thou his videos where he compare the KJV with the NIV and other fake bibles, and shown every time the KJV was at the top. And he use to believe that the NIV was God's word.
There are thing I disagree many times with Ruckman, Denlinger, my dad, even myself(Rom. 7:17-25). But I do know I am save, I believe the KJV is God's word to the English speaking people, and if I am wrong or right in being KJVO, I'd know when I am at the Judgement Seat of Christ and it is tried by fire(I Cor 3:10-15) and I get gold, silver, stones, or just ashes.
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News Item8/23/12 5:58 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
400yearson wrote:
If I may interject. It was God who led me to the true Bible, King James Version, and away from these modern versions which have the all to dubious human input of higher criticism and Anglican Liberal Greek texts. The practical common sense decision that bad input makes for a bad version led me to reject the modern versions and use the version GOD Himself has used for four centuries. Something I have never regretted, thanks be to God.
By the power of His Most Holy Name, you have been greatly Blessed.
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News Item8/23/12 5:47 PM
jjj33  Find all comments by jjj33
Here is a helpful PDF document that defends the KJV in a rational and convincing way (this paper was used to tip the scales for my wife and me)

http://www.chapellibrary.org/files/archive/pdf-english/ebtb.pdf

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News Item8/23/12 5:41 PM
400yearson  Find all comments by 400yearson
SteveR wrote:
May I inquire as to how you ascertained to become a KJV onlyist
If I may interject. It was God who led me to the true Bible, King James Version, and away from these modern versions which have the all to dubious human input of higher criticism and Anglican Liberal Greek texts. The practical common sense decision that bad input makes for a bad version led me to reject the modern versions and use the version GOD Himself has used for four centuries. Something I have never regretted, thanks be to God.
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News Item8/23/12 5:05 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
KJV English speaking-Onlyist wrote:
Jim, I am 17 years old, and I can
May I inquire as to how you ascertained to become a KJV onlyist at 17?

Church? Parents?

and what basis did that influence(s) offer to convince you to make such a distinction in your faith?

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News Item8/23/12 4:18 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
KJV English speaking-Onlyist wrote:
John UK said
The KJV, on the other hand, may need some effort to grasp the language,
That why the KJV(and only the KJV) says study.
Oh, to add to his comment, the trumpet(that is what a bugle a form of,right?) sound are not to sound right to the enemy, because it is not their sound of their trumpet.
My friend, I think you will find that "study" in the KJV means "try hard" and "be dilligent", in the following verses, not sitting in your room surrounded by books.

1 Thessalonians 4:11 KJV
11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

and

2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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