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SUNDAY, OCT 20, 2013  |  147 comments
John MacArthur vs. Mark Driscoll: Megachurch pastors clash over charismatic theology
Megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll claims that his books were confiscated at the Strange Fire conference put on by another megachurch pastor John MacArthur.

Driscoll, who pastors Mars Hill Church in Seattle, is a reformed pastor who is more open to charismatic theology. MacArthur, who pastors Grace Community Church in southern California and has been named in the top 10 most influential pastors in a survey by LifeWay Research, has long criticized the charismatic movement, calling it “a farce and a scam.” ...


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Anne | The Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Frank, John UK, GS and Dorcas - that was awesome! Not you but watching the sword of God RIGHTLY divide the Word, wielded in kindness, might I add. Not all will agree, but I pray those people will take to heart what you've said and allow the Holy Spirit to bring them to clear understanding.
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News Item10/21/13 3:34 PM
B.h.k  Find all comments by B.h.k
Cute but this verse pertains to those like yourself, Mathew 7:21-23. Kjv. If this is your doctrine on being saved then your no different than the scribes and Pharisees that Jesus rebuked. Have a good day friend
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News Item10/21/13 1:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John UK wrote:
Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Just for you, I'll quote a modern version of this text!

13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." NLT

Very narrow, difficult, only a few ever find it. Ah yes, there is only a small remnant saved, and they walk the pilgrim's way, up and down mountains, through rugged terrain, facing obstacles and false brethren, it is not an easy stroll through the park.

Easy-believists have it easy, but they don't make heaven - NO SIR!

Think about it.

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News Item10/21/13 12:58 PM
Gs Texas | Texas  Find all comments by Gs Texas
Bhk, Repentance is more than feeling sorry for your sins its a vehement desire to turn away from sin, an absolute abhorrence of sin if you will. Repent means to turn away. This easy believism that the majority of churches teach these days is just disgusting and underminds Christ's death on the cross. Jesus was brutally crucified on the cross because mans propensity for sin. His innocent blood was required by God to atone for mans abject sin before a holy God. He didn't die so people could simply believe in him, and go to heaven. You can believe all day long, but if the Holy Spirit doesn't convict you of your sin,and lead you to repentance, than your belief is in vain.

Acts 20:21 "Testifying both to the Jew and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ."

Luke 18:13 "And the publican standind afar off, would not so much as lift his into heaven, but smote upon his breast saying, God be merciful to me a sinner."

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News Item10/21/13 12:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B.h.k wrote:
The only way to heaven the straight way (meaning difficult )? There's nothing difficult about being saved and going to heaven. Maybe to the self righteous it would but not according to the gospel it's real simple.
Ah you spelt it wrong. Observe:

Luke 13:23-24 KJV
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Strait = narrow, confined, difficult

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

See, you learn something every day on SA.

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News Item10/21/13 12:43 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Jesus is Lord

Health/wealth/prosperity gospel marriages are those who marry Christ for what He can give them. In secular jargon, a woman marries a man for his money, status or fame.

Seeker friendly liberal marriages are simply those who marry with prenuptial agreements; for better or worse unless they decide otherwise. These folks want to play it by ear so to speak.

Purpose driven movements are those who marry Christ because they simply want to serve this wonderful God/man who will give them purpose for living. Doing the works of Christ is synonymous with being in Christ, although certainly not necessary.

Catholics and other pseudo-cults are simply those that marry the church. Church doctrine and its sacraments are cleverly substituted for the cross of Christ.

Arminians and other works based groups believe they are conditionally married to Christ and in order for Him to not leave them or forsake them, they have to continually earn His love and favor. Their bridegroom is not perfectly loving and all-knowing, but stern and demanding.

Born again believers are those who married Christ because He suffered for them and redeemed and purchased them from God’s wrath, therefore He is their Lord and Savior. They simply want and trust Him and Him alone.

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News Item10/21/13 12:33 PM
B.h.k  Find all comments by B.h.k
The only way to heaven the straight way (meaning difficult )? There's nothing difficult about being saved and going to heaven. Maybe to the self righteous it would but not according to the gospel it's real simple.
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News Item10/21/13 12:28 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dorcas wrote:
Let me tell all you easy believers out there that are believing a condemned gospel (Gal.1:8,9)that doesn't exist in the scriptures and then trying to pedal that perversion on everyone.Repent and believe the gospel.
So sick and tired of reading about our Lords beautiful gospel of grace being so distorted by some of you who cheapen it and make it no gospel at all..but a monstrous distortion that you must have gotten from a cheap jack peddler of easy decisional regeneration.
Ah yes Dorcas, good to hear from you. And you know that the gospel - a thing most beautiful and heartwarming - has been distorted by men even from Bible times onwards. It is a work of the devil, and will not cease until the Lord Jesus returns.
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News Item10/21/13 12:05 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Let me tell all you easy believers out there that are believing a condemned gospel (Gal.1:8,9)that doesn't exist in the scriptures and then trying to pedal that perversion on everyone.Repent and believe the gospel.
So sick and tired of reading about our Lords beautiful gospel of grace being so distorted by some of you who cheapen it and make it no gospel at all..but a monstrous distortion that you must have gotten from a cheap jack peddler of easy decisional regeneration.
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News Item10/21/13 11:45 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B.h.k wrote:
As far as I'm concerned john mcauthor hasn't hot any room to critize anyone. He needs to get pad this lordship salvation garbage before he worries about anybody else's teachings.
Methinks you have forgotten this post where you refer to Johhny Mac's "lordship salvation garbage".

I have given you an article written by Johhny Mac explaining in simple terms what he means by lordship salvation, and what do I find there? Garbage? Not at all, I find a well written article about the way in which the sovereign God brings a person to bend the knee to Christ, having revealed to him the great love and grace of God in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ, that he might be justified by faith alone in Christ alone, having repentance worked in him and through him, that he leaves his sins, as one recently quoted (Go, and sin no more), and thus Christ becomes both Lord and Saviour, not one or the other but both, and thus avoiding the great errors of easy-believism (which Johnny Yurich has fallen for, not repenting of his error) and thus providing sinners with the only way to heaven, a strait way (meaning difficult).

Free Grace is not Cheap Grace.

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News Item10/21/13 11:33 AM
B.h.k  Find all comments by B.h.k
Nobody cares about some article somebody wrote. My point of view on this article is I agree with John mcauthor on his stand against the Charismatic Movement but he needs to work on his own teachings
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News Item10/21/13 10:43 AM
CS  Find all comments by CS
B.h.k...our Lord said to those that he healed.
"Go and sin more". He certainly had turning from sin in view.
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News Item10/21/13 10:41 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B.h.k wrote:
You're clearly misunderstanding what I'm saying about the way repentance is used by some in order to be saved so let me clearify. The bible reference of repentance towards salvation is saying to repent from what ever it might be that's keeping you from believing and being saved. Now what a lot of false teachers out there are saying is repent of all your sins in order to be saved. Big differnce. That's what needs to go back to hell, not repentance in its self. I hope that clarified it for ya. ??
BHK, we are talking about Johnny Mac's "Lordship Salvation". I have given you a link to his article which sums up the basics of the doctrine. He claims that salvation is all of God.

Now where's your problem?

Lordship Salvation

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News Item10/21/13 10:34 AM
B.h.k  Find all comments by B.h.k
You're clearly misunderstanding what I'm saying about the way repentance is used by some in order to be saved so let me clearify. The bible reference of repentance towards salvation is saying to repent from what ever it might be that's keeping you from believing and being saved. Now what a lot of false teachers out there are saying is repent of all your sins in order to be saved. Big differnce. That's what needs to go back to hell, not repentance in its self. I hope that clarified it for ya. ??
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News Item10/21/13 10:32 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
penny wrote:
John UK -- discipline and healing all in one, I suppose. the Lord God is in the details, as amazing as it is to say that the architect of the Universe cares about such minute things, it is all beyond my understanding. but a tangible healing did occur.
But beyond that, I'd rather not reason. When one is sick and healing occurs, I rejoice. If the Lord takes them home, I rejoice. I've seen far too much judgment on the sick in the prosperity gospel, wasn't it Christ who heard those blaming the sick for their sickness? Is the man with sickness and healing more "rebellious" than the one sitting next to him that did not get sick or was God choosing a moment in time to bless? the questions could go a million ways.
I just am thankful to have that experience. As for controlling God or getting my way, nope, haven't seen any of that. Good day!
Penny, lack of space is always a problem when talking about sickness, it is a massive subject. I.e. Why was the man born blind? Why could no-one heal King Neb of thinking he was an animal? Why did Job suffer?

I've been poorly all my life, so I know what you are saying.
___________

Dolores, yes Spurgeon explains things so clearly and biblically.

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News Item10/21/13 10:26 AM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
John UK, you spoke truth to this man in kindness not with any anger..Spurgeon is one of my favorite..I read his devotionals everyday..so uplifting and sometimes it makes me feel I need to allow God to work on me in certain areas..but all is for my good in the long run.
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News Item10/21/13 10:01 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B.h.k wrote:
1. We are saved by the finish work of Christ alone and nothing else!

2. This repent of all your sins junk to be saved needs to go back to hell where it came from.

BHK, I know what you are saying.

1. Correct, nothing wrong with that.

2. Incorrect. The doctrine of repentance is biblical therefore from God. To say that it is from hell is blasphemy.

Salvation is all of grace. It is God who works it. Check my quote from Johhny Mac and you will see that he says that salvation is ALL OF GOD.

If you want to fine tune your doctrine, have a look at the following section from Spurgeon's All of Grace section "Repentance Must Go With Forgiveness".

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News Item10/21/13 9:59 AM
SF from TX  Find all comments by SF from TX
B.h.k. - Repentance is unbiblical?! Why the Bible says otherwise. Look up Matthew 9:13, Mark 1:4, Luke 3:8, Luke 15:7, Luke 24:47 (Definitely look up this one), Romans 2:4. That's merely a handful of verses on repentance. There's quite a few more.
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News Item10/21/13 9:46 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
John UK -- discipline and healing all in one, I suppose. the Lord God is in the details, as amazing as it is to say that the architect of the Universe cares about such minute things, it is all beyond my understanding. but a tangible healing did occur.

But beyond that, I'd rather not reason. When one is sick and healing occurs, I rejoice. If the Lord takes them home, I rejoice. I've seen far too much judgment on the sick in the prosperity gospel, wasn't it Christ who heard those blaming the sick for their sickness? Is the man with sickness and healing more "rebellious" than the one sitting next to him that did not get sick or was God choosing a moment in time to bless? the questions could go a million ways.

I just am thankful to have that experience. As for controlling God or getting my way, nope, haven't seen any of that. Good day!

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News Item10/21/13 9:45 AM
B.h.k  Find all comments by B.h.k
See John uk that's what I'm talking about lordship Salvationist teach faith plus works to be saved. That unbiblical and builds nothing but a self righteousness aditude. We are saved by the finish work of Christ alone and nothing else! Now their should be lordship fellowship and lordship discipleship but not this lord ship salvation. This repent of all your sins junk to be saved needs to go back to hell where it came from. If we have to do anything or live a certain way to be saved then honestly none of us saved. It's by simply trusting and putting your faith in the finish work of Christ and nothing that we do in the flesh. That's like me judging somebody thinking they can't be saved because they don't live a certain way, that's heresy! That's all I'm saying
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