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Zimmerman found not guilty of murder in Trayvon Martin's death
When he learned his fate, a quiet Zimmerman had little visible reaction. His face was mostly expressionless. He turned and shook the hand of one of his attorneys before sitting back down, only openly smiling after court was adjourned. His parents, Robert and Gladys Zimmerman, were seated nearby, but Martin's parents were not in the courtroom.
Defense attorney Mark O'Mara said a short time later that he and his team were "ecstatic" with the verdict.
"George Zimmerman was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self defense," O'Mara said.
The response from NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous struck a far different tone.
Ah, that's the one US, thank you. In God's sovereign will my memory is gradually departing. I used to have those texts up my sleeve.
Job wrote: My God really IS Sovereign.
Now then my friend and brother.
If you would learn anything from Charles Spurgeon, and I heartily recommend that you do, please know that Mr Spurgeon was a rare one in that he placed God's Sovereignty on a level par with Man's Responsibility. He likened them to two parallel railway tracks, always together and never separate.
Now I perceive that currently you are ignoring the responsibility of men, and focussing so much on God's sovereignty, that you have ended up yourself with a form of Fatalism, which is certainly not biblical.
Now I would also like to say that I see God as the ultimate power in this universe, and he is to be feared, honoured and worshipped, and that his will is accomplished irrespective of man's attempts to dethrone him. I see many in this world who treat him as though he is a little God, and I can assure you that I am not one of such. God is Almighty God, and does according to his will, and who can stay his hand?
John UK and Unprof Servant; I am sorry you guys would die without God and leave it with chance or fate.
CHS said in sermon... On Job 30:23 "Job, even in his anguish, does not for a moment forget his God. He speaks of him here: ‚ÄúI know that thou wilt bring me to death.‚ÄĚ He perceives that he will not die apart from God. He does not say his sore boils or his strangulation will bring him to death; but ‚ÄúTHOU wilt bring me to death.‚ÄĚ He does not trace his approaching death to chance, or to fate, or to second causes; no, he sees only the hand of the Lord. To him belong both life and death. Say not that the wasting consumption took away your darling; complain not that a fierce fever slew your father; but feel that the Lord himself hath done it. ‚ÄúIt is the Lord, let him do what seemeth him good.‚ÄĚ Blame not the accident, neither complain of the pestilence; for Jehovah himself gathereth home his own. He only will remove you and me. ‚Äú I know that thou wilt bring me to death.‚ÄĚ There is to my heart much delicious comfort in the language before as. I love that old-fashioned verse--
‚ÄúPlagues and deaths around me fly Till he bids I cannot die; Not a single shaft can hit Till the God of Love thinks fit.‚ÄĚ (C.H.Spurgeon)
Thanks for your kind remarks from previous post and earlier. Hope all is well for you and yours over there on the other side of the ocean. Good catch on pending gun violence issue earlier. l 2 Kings 20
20 In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, ‚ÄúThus says the Lord: ‚ÄėSet your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.‚Äô‚ÄĚ
2 Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, 3 ‚ÄúRemember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight.‚ÄĚ And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
4 And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 5 ‚ÄúReturn and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, ‚ÄėThus says the Lord, the God of David your father: ‚ÄúI have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. 6 And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David
Job wrote: I'm sorry you cannot trust your Bible John.
And I am sorry that you vainly imagine from my words that I cannot trust my Bible. Job REALLY did speak those words, and all scripture is there for our benefit. Tell you what, check out any commentary you want, and look up Job 7:1 and see if theologians agree with me or not. Do they justify Job speaking those words to Almighty God? _________
Thanks to US for those scriptures. I was looking for the prophet or king who repented and God lengthened his life by about 18 years I think. Know where that one is?
John UK wrote: Ah but now it is you who are speaking nonsensical words. Did you think it was God who spoke those words of Job? Nay lad, it was Job.
I'm sorry you cannot trust your Bible John.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Job is quoted in NT :-
Job 5:13 = 1 Co 3:19
Job 16:19 = Mark 11:10
Job 41:3 = Rom 11:35
2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Job wrote: What? You don't believe Job's book is the Word of God? Inspired? Wow?? You believe the inspired word's recorded by Job are "nonsensical statements"??? Wow??
Ah but now it is you who are speaking nonsensical words. Did you think it was God who spoke those words of Job? Nay lad, it was Job. And he was not speaking always correctly. Why do you think he had to apologise to God later on?
Phew! You will find plenty of things in the Bible not to follow, for eg. Solomon's backslidden attitude and nonsensical words which he later recanted.
John UK wrote: Could or should Job have presented better words? Or was the sovereign God enforcing every thing in Job's life, so that he had no choice but to utter some nonsensical statements and wish for death because he was fed up with his miserable life?
What? You don't believe Job's book is the Word of God? Inspired? Wow?? You believe the inspired word's recorded by Job are "nonsensical statements"??? Wow??
"Job 30:23 For I know that thou wilt bring me to death, and to the house appointed for all living"
Whose in charge of your life and death John? When God recalls your soul will the sovereign decision be made by fate or chance??
Job wrote: Job 7:1 Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?
Could or should Job have presented better words? Or was the sovereign God enforcing every thing in Job's life, so that he had no choice but to utter some nonsensical statements and wish for death because he was fed up with his miserable life?
Unprofitable Servant wrote: My point has always been the jurors acted responsibly in rendering a verdict.
I have been following this conversation with interest US. I can't comment because I know nothing about this, but it seems to me your point is an important one. A miscarriage of justice may be very hard to bear, but the justice system may not be abused on account of that. I'm sure there is there, as here, an appeal system in place if folks imagine the verdict is incorrect, and anyone not appealing to it but rather taking up arms against it are surely lawbreakers and vigilantes. I don't know that the system could be improved, probably not. So those with grievances will either have to bear them or have recourse through the proper channels. Rioting will never have a rightful place in a civilised society. Just saying.
J4J, I will give you benefit of doubt and apologize for wrongfully representing your position I don't believe I have ever taken sides as to who started the fight, so yes, Trayvon Williams could have been trying to stand his ground. My point has always been the jurors acted responsibly in rendering a verdict.
rafael wrote: I want to know how people know if martin would of been alive do you make the appointments of death,?
Yeeeeee ha! According to Chris Frost and Rennie, God allocates a definite time and place for every man, and he cannot change neither the means nor the time nor anything else concerning his death. Just accept it and say, "Praise the Lord!"
JY, I'm all for getting bargains, but if my freedom was in the balance, I would hire the best I could afford. Public attorneys are basically starter attorneys; unseasoned, inexperienced, and not happy about the clientele they have to service all day, every day. They are robots who are processing criminals and have no incentive for winning or losing. After the verdicts, for them, it's just..."next!" Their position is a stepping stone for experience, usually being fresh out of lawschool. Now, if a well seasoned, criminal attorney with records of high acquittal, or not guilty rates when defending people in my situation, can be afforded, I would jump at the chance. So, a public defender with little experience and who really doesn't care all that much, or a power attorney with all the experience, and who has power detectives, forensic experts, and high end paralegals at his/her disposal to work on setting me free? I can have all the money in the world by being frugal, but if I am in prison for the rest of my life, someone else will get the pleasure of spending it.
Regardless who started it they will be judged by our creator hebrews 9:27 says it there is one death and judgment. Martin has passed and hopefully not in hell if he wasn't saved and zimmerman is the only one who new there motives. I just wish people made such a big deal about abortion what about there civil rights oh yeah I forget there just embryos or the child abusers . The thing here is that its different right the issue was that he's a racist really let me if you haven't meet one cause there's a lot of here were I'm from and a lot of them weren't white .whatever the case maybe its just proves what the bible says which is the truth that we would be living in lawless times people just want to see bloodshed.
Unprofitable Servant... There is a reason you didn't come up with an actual quote. If I must, I will go through all your examples and shoot them down. You really pulled a Calvin, you come up with your own facts and then try to input them into the text to prove your point. Also, did you ever think that Trayvon was trying to stand his ground?