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Gay pride rally in Georgia derailed

Thousands of anti-gay protesters, including Orthodox priests, occupied a central street in Georgia's capital Friday, with some threatening to lash with stinging nettles any participant in a gay pride parade which was to take place there.

Police in Tbilisi guarded several dozen gay activists and bused them out of the city center shortly after they arrived at the gathering. Those occupying the street held posters reading "We don't need Sodom and Gomorrah!" and "Democracy does not equal immorality!"

Police, however, failed to prevent scuffles, which resulted in 16 people getting injured, the ambulance service said. ...


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Brassitude  Find all comments by Brassitude
Vicissitude wrote:
Thats an interesting remark from someone who calls other people quote "stupid" unquote.
No true Christian can use labels like that. Which is why we have to doubt the profession of anyone who uses them. We know who the worst offenders are. Thankfully one of the worst offenders has not posted of late.
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News Item5/20/13 3:33 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Pilgrim, I agree those verses are difficult at best and I am not sure I can reconcile everything? But, I personally came to the following conclusion.

Verses 9-12 could be referring to the Jews in general, prior to the giving of the Mosaic law. Prior to conversion or post-conversion make no sense. "Paul was always under the law so when he uses the word “I” he can’t be referring to himself", but to historical Jews in general. It could easily be that he was simply referring back to his thought in Romans 5.

[13] (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. [14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. (Rom 5:13-14 KJV)

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News Item5/20/13 3:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Have to agree with Frank on two counts. One the Romans 7 passage is post salvation, you certainly don't see an unsaved person being able to say they delight in the law of God after the inward man (v22) seeing the are not subject to it and neither indeed can be.
Romans 7:9-12 KJV
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

What do you reckon chaps? Is this Paul talking about when he had the revelation of the power of the law; that God showed him he was a sinner, and not only that, but dead in trespasses and sins?

And does this fit?

Galatians 3:24 KJV
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

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News Item5/20/13 3:01 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
wow, the video footage was something else. hundreds protested and the rallyers barely got out of there.
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News Item5/20/13 2:20 PM
Vicissitude  Find all comments by Vicissitude
Wharton wrote:
I agree Chris. Observer is one such.
You are a thief "Wharton" - Because you have stolen my moniker.

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Christopher000 wrote:
I find it interesting when I see those who judge, berate, and dictate. They are always the same...they look down upon others, and are unteachable; believing that they have it all figured out, and oftentimes, they love to make personal comparisons.
Thats an interesting remark from someone who calls other people quote "stupid" unquote.
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News Item5/20/13 1:46 PM
Yuk  Find all comments by Yuk
observe observer wrote:
He has not posted recently. Maybe he has gone to cool off.
Just hope he is gone for good. Hater of the elect in both the Catholic and Presbyterian churches.
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News Item5/20/13 1:45 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Have to agree with Frank on two counts. One the Romans 7 passage is post salvation, you certainly don't see an unsaved person being able to say they delight in the law of God after the inward man (v22) seeing the are not subject to it and neither indeed can be. And, of course, the wife is a keeper it will be 29 years worth in July, I always try and send her a sympathy card on our anniversary
Good catch on verse 22. I did a 150 page meditation on the book of Romans and I don't think I caught that very important fact. THANKS

Yes, your wife is a keeper. Good for you brother.

John UK. Just please don't tell me that you are getting your recipes from JPW.

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News Item5/20/13 1:31 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Have to agree with Frank on two counts. One the Romans 7 passage is post salvation, you certainly don't see an unsaved person being able to say they delight in the law of God after the inward man (v22) seeing the are not subject to it and neither indeed can be. And, of course, the wife is a keeper it will be 29 years worth in July, I always try and send her a sympathy card on our anniversary
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News Item5/20/13 1:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Juicing carrots! Yuk.
This forum is somewhat lacking for us to really discuss this, but let me just say that Paul began using the present tense from verse 14 on. Paul's thoughts also match his comment here where he once again uses the present tense:
[15] This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. [16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. (1Ti 1:15-16 KJV)
I agree fully, some know the moment, others do not.
Whaddayamean? Yuk? Juiced carrot is great fun.

However, I decided to make my dinner instead.

Steamed potatoes and carrots, with vegetarian sausages. Hee hee.

Yep, I never noticed that before, about the tenses going from past to present. Bro, I reckon you've hit it. Next time I read that passage I shall be thinking about that, and hope that the Lord instructs me as to Paul's message. Thanks bro!

Now where's that ketchup?

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News Item5/20/13 1:05 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Romans 7:21-25 KJV
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
I have to go do some juicing carrots. Later....
Juicing carrots! Yuk.

This forum is somewhat lacking for us to really discuss this, but let me just say that Paul began using the present tense from verse 14 on. Paul's thoughts also match his comment here where he once again uses the present tense:

[15] This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. [16] Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. (1Ti 1:15-16 KJV)

I agree fully, some know the moment, others do not.

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News Item5/20/13 12:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
No, I didn't yield to Paul, but I am saying it could be a tie.
If you disagree with me regarding Ro. 7:21-25, then we can discuss it. Arminius lost his debate to an RC Priest on those verses and you know where that led. But, it is not as cut and dried as I am making it?
If purposed before the foundation of the world, then it was actually eternal before the foundation of the world. I have never really thought about whether or not it was instantaneous, but my guess is it was.
Some know the time, others don't. But at some point came "Christ in you, the hope of glory".

I'm sorry bro, I don't know about the text - beyond me thus far.

Romans 7:21-25 KJV
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I have to go do some juicing carrots. Later....

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News Item5/20/13 12:30 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Excellent account Frank!
I wondered if you'd give place to the apostle.
So you want to talk about Romans 7:21-25? Well I'm game if you are. You reckon post conversion? That is, after his conversion?
Oh, one thing I wanted to mention bro. When we say "saved", we're talking about a salvation which is instantaneous, yes? When you were saved, you had eternal life straightway. Immediate, that is. Aye aye!
No, I didn't yield to Paul, but I am saying it could be a tie.

If you disagree with me regarding Ro. 7:21-25, then we can discuss it. Arminius lost his debate to an RC Priest on those verses and you know where that led. But, it is not as cut and dried as I am making it?

If purposed before the foundation of the world, then it was actually eternal before the foundation of the world. I have never really thought about whether or not it was instantaneous, but my guess is it was.

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News Item5/20/13 12:15 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Yes, you are correct; I will not be moved If the truth be known, then it is very possible that all Christians who understand salvation and the perfection of our Lord and Savior and His worthiness are tied for number 1 or at a minimum try to claim number 1?
But, all is okay because Christ's righteousness has been imputed to me. I thank Him that when He called me, He didn't look at me and see anything worthy of that calling, but it was simply according to His good pleasure. If He saw something of merit, then I would have something to boast about.
Anyway, Paul's account in Romans 7:21-25 was post conversion, not pre-conversion and if an Apostle felt he was number one, and his word was for all time, then how can I be number one? John, you need to help me here.
Excellent account Frank!

I wondered if you'd give place to the apostle.

So you want to talk about Romans 7:21-25? Well I'm game if you are. You reckon post conversion? That is, after his conversion?

Oh, one thing I wanted to mention bro. When we say "saved", we're talking about a salvation which is instantaneous, yes? When you were saved, you had eternal life straightway. Immediate, that is. Aye aye!

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News Item5/20/13 11:55 AM
observe observer  Find all comments by observe observer
Wharton wrote:
______ Observer is one such.
He has not posted recently. Maybe he has gone to cool off.
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News Item5/20/13 11:50 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Frank is not going to like this - no sir!
Yes, you are correct; I will not be moved If the truth be known, then it is very possible that all Christians who understand salvation and the perfection of our Lord and Savior and His worthiness are tied for number 1 or at a minimum try to claim number 1?

But, all is okay because Christ's righteousness has been imputed to me. I thank Him that when He called me, He didn't look at me and see anything worthy of that calling, but it was simply according to His good pleasure. If He saw something of merit, then I would have something to boast about.

Anyway, Paul's account in Romans 7:21-25 was post conversion, not pre-conversion and if an Apostle felt he was number one, and his word was for all time, then how can I be number one? John, you need to help me here.

Luke 17:10, U.S. and here I didn't think that women had discernment. Now I am going to have to rethink that thought. Don't ever let her get away.

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News Item5/20/13 11:18 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
I keep telling my wife that I might be an angel unawares, but she never believes me
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News Item5/20/13 11:15 AM
Chapter LIII  Find all comments by Chapter LIII
The Rule of St. Benedict (c.480–547):

Of the Reception of Guests

Let all guests who arrive be received as Christ, because He will say: "I was a stranger and you took Me in" (Mt 25:35). And let due honor be shown to all, especially to those "of the household of the faith" (Gal 6:10) and to wayfarers.

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News Item5/20/13 11:07 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
It is part of the Rule of St Benedict that Benedictines should treat others as if they were Jesus Christ himself.
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News Item5/20/13 10:13 AM
Jamesc | Fallbrook, Ca  Find all comments by Jamesc
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?" Matthew 5:43-47
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News Item5/20/13 10:05 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Oh please...slide down the bench so number 1 can sit down.
Frank is not going to like this - no sir!
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