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End-Times Christian Movie Series ‘Left Behind’ Set for Hollywood Reboot
While the “Left Behind” series is getting a major face-lift, the team behind the older films is, at least to a degree, intact. Writer, producer and Cloud Ten Pictures founder Paul Lalonde worked on the original series and he’s once again leading the latest effort. Script consultant John Patus, one of the many individuals who worked on “Left Behind: World at War,” the third movie in the series, is also involved in the new project.

While the reboot will follow what the Hollywood Reporter calls “a classic disaster film” format, the essential tenets of end-times theology will still be present. In fact, the film will remain Christian at its core, with the plot, once again, focusing on the survivors living in the hours after the Biblical Rapture. ...


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News Item10/23/12 5:38 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
But no worries bro, I'll never make bishop nor deacon.
My Dear Friend John UK,

You would receive my vote

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News Item10/23/12 5:28 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Good night brother! The reason I run these things by you are three-fold. If you disagree with me then there is the possibility that I have explained something incorrectly or am wrong. If you agree with me, then I know I am correct.
Good night brother! The reason I run these things by you are three-fold. If you disagree with me then there is the possibility that I have explained something incorrectly or am wrong. If you agree with me, then I know I am correct.

Ha!

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News Item10/23/12 5:20 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
1. My apologies.
2. Quite possibly.
Ah well, that's put that one to bed.
Good night brother! The reason I run these things by you are three-fold. If you disagree with me then there is the possibility that I have explained something incorrectly or am wrong. If you agree with me, then I know I am correct.
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News Item10/23/12 5:02 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
1. Now brother, I didn't say anything that should lead you to think that I disagree with your statement at all. I didn't say a leader shouldn't have a high standard?
2. But, what you are claiming for our leaders is something we should all strive for. Are you saying there are some Christians that shouldn't seek high standards, work them out, and "perhaps" even want to be emulated. Which standard in 1 Ti.3, should we not all strive for? Where did Paul teach that the lay members of a church aren't called to these same high standards? I think brother that you are confusing a moral standard with a "role".
1. My apologies.

2. Quite possibly.

Ah well, that's put that one to bed.

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News Item10/23/12 4:48 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
1. Ah but you err there brother. It is most important that a teacher/pastor not only has high standards, but also embraces them and works them out. They should be worthy of emulation. Paul's teaching itself would not make sense any other way, would it?
But no worries bro, I'll never make bishop nor deacon.
2. Voice of experience?
Now brother, I didn't say anything that should lead you to think that I disagree with your statement at all. I didn't say a leader shouldn't have a high standard?

But, what you are claiming for our leaders is something we should all strive for. Are you saying there are some Christians that shouldn't seek high standards, work them out, and "perhaps" even want to be emulated. Which standard in 1 Ti.3, should we not all strive for? Where did Paul teach that the lay members of a church aren't called to these same high standards? I think brother that you are confusing a moral standard with a "role".

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News Item10/23/12 4:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Heh John and Christopher,
1. When I read 1 Ti 3, I don't see a higher standard being applied for Bishops or Deacons. In other words, there is no moral mandate listed there that does not apply to all those in the body of Christ "equally", from the most known to the most insignificant. Note; being apt to teach and things like that are not moral standards. So, I look at it like this; we all have the same moral standards, namely perfection, but if someone is known or suspected of not publicly adhering to those moral standards noted in 1 Ti 3, then they can't be Bishops or Deacons; but that is not the same as them having a different or a higher moral standard.
2. Just my thoughts on those passages. And yes, John you and I agree; they were talking about real booze.
1. Ah but you err there brother. It is most important that a teacher/pastor not only has high standards, but also embraces them and works them out. They should be worthy of emulation. Paul's teaching itself would not make sense any other way, would it?

But no worries bro, I'll never make bishop nor deacon.

2. Voice of experience?

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News Item10/23/12 3:38 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
One thing I noticed this morning in my daily reading (1 Tim 3) is that bishops must not be given to wine, but deacons must not be given to much wine.
Heh John and Christopher,

When I read 1 Ti 3, I don't see a higher standard being applied for Bishops or Deacons. In other words, there is no moral mandate listed there that does not apply to all those in the body of Christ "equally", from the most known to the most insignificant. Note; being apt to teach and things like that are not moral standards. So, I look at it like this; we all have the same moral standards, namely perfection, but if someone is known or suspected of not publicly adhering to those moral standards noted in 1 Ti 3, then they can't be Bishops or Deacons; but that is not the same as them having a different or a higher moral standard.

Just my thoughts on those passages. And yes, John you and I agree; they were talking about real booze.

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News Item10/23/12 9:50 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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One thing I noticed this morning in my daily reading (1 Tim 3) is that bishops must not be given to wine, but deacons must not be given to much wine.
Maybe it means too much grape juice could keep you in the loo. Those deacons have work to do.
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News Item10/23/12 9:50 AM
Wharton  Find all comments by Wharton
Lurker wrote:
1) Are you suggesting that sperm and egg are the same? Are the works of the law of Moses and the faith of the COG the same?
2) Are you saying that there was? Book, chapter and verse from the historical OT please.

Wow!!

1) Are you dealing with IVF treatment back in Sarah's days???

2) Try Psalm 49 and 16 for example. Tell me does your religion teach that OT people do not receive eternal life??? In effect were not saved???

I guess you don't believe what happened at Matthew 17:3???

John 5:39 Why would the Jews think = "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me"

Why would the rich man ask how to receive eternal life if it was not thought by the Jews to be an option.

Then there are the verses which deal with heaven and hell in the OT. If these are not possibilities to them why would they discuss them?

The term "everlasting" in the Hebrew means "time out of mind"

etc

Oh
The afterlife. Unlike the Sadducees, the Pharisees also believed in the resurrection of the dead in a future, messianic age. The Pharisees believed in a literal resurrection of the body

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News Item10/23/12 8:56 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Wharton wrote:
1) Are you suggesting that Sarah's "seed" is different to her husband's???

2) Are you saying that there was no promise of eternal life in the OT???

1) Are you suggesting that sperm and egg are the same? Are the works of the law of Moses and the faith of the COG the same?

2) Are you saying that there was? Book, chapter and verse from the historical OT please.

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News Item10/23/12 8:49 AM
Wharton  Find all comments by Wharton
Lurker wrote:
So we must conclude that the woman's seed plays an equally important role in the offspring.

Are you suggesting that Sarah's "seed" is different to her husband's???

See also Gal 4:23.

Lurker wrote:
In addition, Israel was promised real estate in the historical OT but in the NT the promise is eternal life
Are you saying that there was no promise of eternal life in the OT???

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

The Elect:
Ro 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

The Elect:
Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

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News Item10/23/12 8:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Interesting note concerning the Deacons, John. What would you attribute the distinction of that rule to? Bishop's simply being held to a higher spiritual and moral standard because of their position in the chain of command? Example for righteous living?
Good morning Christopher. I must confess I'd never noticed the distinction before. But your comment is, I believe, the answer to the puzzle, and the one I thought most likely. That the more responsibility a man has in terms of church life, the higher the level of godliness he must keep to. It also transpires that he must limit his marital status to one wife, which causes one to think that the church members might have two or more.

But there is a second thought which sprang out at me this morning; that the wine mentioned must have been alcoholic wine, and not some weak grape-juice. There's one for my fundy brethren to grapple over.

And of course, later on, Jim will ignore the points made, and will only concern himself with the word 'bishop', saying that it ought to be 'overseer' or 'elder' or some such word denoting one having spiritual authority over the flock. No need now Jim, I done it for you.

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News Item10/23/12 7:51 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
... when Abraham begat Isaac, there was a genetic link and when Isaac begat Jacob there was one as well. So, this genetic link if you will must be present for someone to be a "genetic descendant" of Abraham.
An after thought.

Abraham fathered both Ishmael and Isaac yet Sarah said the son of the bondwoman would not be co-heir with Isaac of God's promise to Abraham. God agreed with Sarah and in time Isaac's seed through Jacob inherited the Promised Land. So we must conclude that the woman's seed plays an equally important role in the offspring.

That said, in the NT Paul teaches that Sarah and Hagar are allegories figuring the two covenants; i.e. the works of the Law of Moses which kills and the COG. In addition, Israel was promised real estate in the historical OT but in the NT the promise is eternal life.

The Dispys and many fundys can't/won't reconcile these truths and therefore perceive Israel and the church as different entities while filling the prophets with 2,000 year gaps. They anticipate a literal fulfillment of the prophecies when in fact the gathering of "all (12 tribes of) Israel" from where they had been scattered began in Paul's day (see Acts 13:47 cf Is 49:6). God has been faithful to fulfill His promise every since.

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News Item10/23/12 7:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Interesting note concerning the Deacons, John. What would you attribute the distinction of that rule to? Bishop's simply being held to a higher spiritual and moral standard because of their position in the chain of command? Example for righteous living?
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News Item10/23/12 5:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Israel is the name God gave to the man Jacob. Thus Israel is a man.

If all Israel is to be saved, if you did not define your word correctly, you might imagine that Jacob, from head to toe, would be saved.

And then there are "Jews" and there are "true Jews". Definitions are crucial.

Thanks Lurker and others, I am still working on this, and merely posting my thoughts up, as I have not reached any conclusions as yet.

One thing I noticed this morning in my daily reading (1 Tim 3) is that bishops must not be given to wine, but deacons must not be given to much wine.

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News Item10/23/12 12:31 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
As usual, we may be saying the same thing, but I may be expressing myself incorrectly. I realize that when scripture uses the expression flesh, it is not referring to genetics. In fact, I will bet you that if I did a word search, the word genetics wouldn't come up. But, what I am saying is when Abraham begat Isaac, there was a genetic link and when Isaac begat Jacob there was one as well. So, this genetic link if you will must be present for someone to be a "genetic descendant" of Abraham.
So, I agree with you regarding the normal meaning of "flesh" in scripture.
OK, Frank. I can deal with that.

Gen 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Mal 1:2-3 Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob and I hated Esau....

Reading today's posts there were a few comments speaking of physical and spiritual Israel which I assumed were allusions to Israel after the flesh and Israel after the spirit. I don't know where these terms and definitions come from but they aren't biblical. Perhaps our exchange will cause them to get their facts from the bible.

May God bless all His Israel (Gal 6:16).

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News Item10/22/12 11:56 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Adamantly disagree, except for one bride.
Israel "after (or according to) the flesh" does not mean genetic, Frank. Romans 8:1-17 makes that abundantly clear. See also 1 Cor 10:18-22, 1 Pet 4:6. Don't take my word for it; do a phrase search and you'll eventually see that "after the flesh" means under the law of Moses (circumcision of flesh) while "after the spirit" means under grace (circumcision of heart).
. . .
As usual, we may be saying the same thing, but I may be expressing myself incorrectly. I realize that when scripture uses the expression flesh, it is not referring to genetics. In fact, I will bet you that if I did a word search, the word genetics wouldn't come up. But, what I am saying is when Abraham begat Isaac, there was a genetic link and when Isaac begat Jacob there was one as well. So, this genetic link if you will must be present for someone to be a "genetic descendant" of Abraham.

So, I agree with you regarding the normal meaning of "flesh" in scripture.

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News Item10/22/12 11:27 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
True Israel is the genetic offspring of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who have recognized and received their Messiah. I as a Gentile convert have been grafted into true Israel and we both make up the body of Christ and He only has one bride.
Adamantly disagree, except for one bride.

Israel "after (or according to) the flesh" does not mean genetic, Frank. Romans 8:1-17 makes that abundantly clear. See also 1 Cor 10:18-22, 1 Pet 4:6. Don't take my word for it; do a phrase search and you'll eventually see that "after the flesh" means under the law of Moses (circumcision of flesh) while "after the spirit" means under grace (circumcision of heart).

. . .

John,

"all Israel shall be saved"

Some facts to consider:

The elect of God are saved (from wrath) at the moment of their calling only during the acceptable year of the Lord (Is 61:2) aka the age of grace. When the year has expired and the tribulation begins, no one will be saved (from wrath) until the Redeemer comes aka the second coming of Christ even though many will come to believe to the eventual saving of their souls during the tribulation (Dan 11:33-35) as I have previously quoted Isaiah 25:9.

I agree with the points you made but I suspect we understand them differently.

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News Item10/22/12 6:11 PM
Biblicalconversation  Find all comments by Biblicalconversation
John for Jesus wrote:
Rms 9-11 talks about a physical Israel that is blinded in part, but one day will believe. Does anybody here realize there is a spiritual and physical Israel?
A 'spiritual Israel'? An Israel that exists in spirit apart from it's body - which you call Physical Israel - the place on earth you can visit and the Jewish people you can speak to face to face)? A physical Israel and a spiritual Israel, living apart from each other? Is this Biblical?
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News Item10/22/12 5:28 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John for Jesus wrote:
Rms 9-11 talks about a physical Israel that is blinded in part, but one day will believe. Does anybody here realize there is a spiritual and physical Israel?
John, do you realise what the following verses mean?

Romans 9:6-8 KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The physical descendents of Abraham are not the children of God.

That is simple theology, proven.

The children of promise are, or will be, the children of God, proven.

Which is why Paul said, "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel".

The two Israels mentioned in that text are obviously not the same, or Paul would have contradicted himself.

Thus, not all Israelites will believe and be saved, but all Israel shall be saved. Yes?

I'm outta here.

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