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Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S.

At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”

More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.” ...


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CAB  Find all comments by CAB
John UK wrote:
Flower People..claim to be saved, one must PERSEVERE to the end. So what happened to your "done deal" doctrine? Hmmm?..atonement of Christ, please note that it is past. Therefore, it had to take into account sins past, present and future. All the OT saints had their sins atoned for by CHRIST - IN THE FUTURE. All the saints after the NT had their sins atoned for by CHRIST - IN THE PAST..God is a predestinating sovereign God, you will understand eternal security in Christ.
You are transferring the reasoning of your penal atonement to the blood atonement, and it doesn't work. The blood atonement cleanses, washes away sin, does not "pay for" them, is not penal. Blood is sufficient for sins of the world, to all who ask for forgiveness, who repent. The blood atonement, was one time, finished. But the appropriation is ongoing, conditional, not automatic, not penal.

Appropriation comes from having faith as a little child in Jesus.

How do you get "no double jeopardy" out of the blood atonement? It's not penal, so you don't get it automatically. You have to ask for it, repent, and love God. Before you didn't need to know him or have a relationship with him because you thought he'd been punished in advance for you.

Now what.

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News Item2/6/14 3:55 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Cab, why don't you give us your testimony, that is, tell us how you were saved, repented, and became born again and what the Lord Jesus Christ means to you.

I have a hunch that it would be the most unique testimony ever heard and seen at SermonAudio

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News Item2/6/14 3:50 PM
Ugh  Find all comments by Ugh
CAB wrote:
Yes, all this is true that it is the blood that brings remission (going away) of sin. But you've been selling another way to be forever saved, the penal atonement. I can pull up your old posts and prove it.
So tell us, whatever DID happen to your old doctrine to be forever saved by a penal atonement that provided a "no double jeopardy" cover for any and all sins, all paid in advance?
Everybody who posts here a lot knows how you are, that you are a morphing hologram with no true beliefs or purpose to even be here, and you invent yourself anew with every post, waste people's time, insist on monopolizing the board with your nonsense and blowing smoke. Have you ever in your life ever had a clear thought or given a straight answer about ANYTHING?
How do you now explain your OSAS heresy if you cannot rely on the no double jeopardy argument anymore in the TULIP? The blood atonement is not penal atonement.
What is the prideful Godless indecorous woman doing on this board peddling her dearly held heresies?

On Eternal Security, you would do well to read:

A W Pink on Eternal Security

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News Item2/6/14 3:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CAB, you misrepresent me once again, and I exhort you to repent of this. Your arguments are based on what you have been taught, and there may be some here who accept your accusations, but not me.

Flower People, ALL of them, claim that to be saved, one must PERSEVERE to the end. So what happened to your "done deal" doctrine? Hmmm?

Now as to the wonderful atonement of Christ, please note that it is past. Therefore, it had to take into account sins past, present and future. All the OT saints had their sins atoned for by CHRIST - IN THE FUTURE. All the saints after the NT had their sins atoned for by CHRIST - IN THE PAST. God is outside of time - and HE KNOWS what HE DOES.

You say I "have no true beliefs".

There you are, more lies girl. You need to apologise for such silly statements. If you want a theological expression of my beliefs, just look up the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith.

You ask if I "give a straight answer about anything"?

This is mere subterfuge, and designed to get me riled. You lose arguments and have to find a way to gain ground. You think to convince others of your heresies.

When you come to see that God is a predestinating sovereign God, you will understand eternal security in Christ. But not until.

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News Item2/6/14 3:33 PM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
John UK wrote:
I was being taught sound doctrine concerning the blood of Christ, that it cleanses from ALL sin. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. The Passover lamb was a type of Christ, for "Christ our Passover is slain FOR US".
Now you are misrepresenting what I believe concerning repentance and perseverance.
Yes, all this is true that it is the blood that brings remission (going away) of sin. But you've been selling another way to be forever saved, the penal atonement. I can pull up your old posts and prove it.

So tell us, whatever DID happen to your old doctrine to be forever saved by a penal atonement that provided a "no double jeopardy" cover for any and all sins, all paid in advance?

Everybody who posts here a lot knows how you are, that you are a morphing hologram with no true beliefs or purpose to even be here, and you invent yourself anew with every post, waste people's time, insist on monopolizing the board with your nonsense and blowing smoke. Have you ever in your life ever had a clear thought or given a straight answer about ANYTHING?

How do you now explain your OSAS heresy if you cannot rely on the no double jeopardy argument anymore in the TULIP? The blood atonement is not penal atonement.

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News Item2/6/14 3:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CAB wrote:
Here comes UK John now pretending he's always trusted in the blood, not in a penal atonement as he was peddling to us before, the "no double jeopardy, if Jesus paid and was punished (by the Father) then the Father won't punish more than once."
Now he has a new doctrine to sell -- blood that saves us from past and future sins, without repentance, automatically applied whether he asks, repents, or not.
My dear girl, when you were still in nappies, I was being taught sound doctrine concerning the blood of Christ, that it cleanses from ALL sin. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. The Passover lamb was a type of Christ, for "Christ our Passover is slain FOR US".

Now you are misrepresenting what I believe concerning repentance and perseverance. This is not good, CAB. You really must investigate further, instead of blindly following the teaching of a man who bolsters his own poor arguments by misstating the position of others. This is cultish, CAB. So what do I believe that you misrepresent?

Salvation is by REPENTANCE and FAITH. You say "automatically applied without either". You say "without asking". Ahem. Nay girl, you have lied about my beliefs. And you should apologise for that. It is you needs to repent.

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News Item2/6/14 3:00 PM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
John UK wrote:
It also makes me sad when sinners deride the one true sacrifice for sin, the blood atonement, and claim that it is insufficient to save. So think on these words, "JESUS SAVES". Not "half-saves".
Here comes UK John now pretending he's always trusted in the blood, not in a penal atonement as he was peddling to us before, the "no double jeopardy, if Jesus paid and was punished (by the Father) then the Father won't punish more than once."

Now he has a new doctrine to sell -- blood that saves us from past and future sins, without repentance, automatically applied whether he asks, repents, or not.

Does John know what he believes, or does he make up doctrine as he goes along? If he ever does figure out what the Bible teaches, will he even acknowledge it?

Why is he here? Who can say. He keeps changing his doctrines from one day to the next over a period of many years, on SA 24/7--a 5 point Calvinist who believes in penal atonement, but pretending to now believe in blood atonement.

So what's his logic to justify his once saved always saved now?

John thinks he can invent doctrine day by day?

How does John get no double jeopardy out of the blood atonement? He needs penal atonement to satisfy his OSAS heresy.

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News Item2/6/14 2:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
The calvary arrived just in time!!
I was getting tired from the body blows.
And now they can pound on you for a while
John my dear brother instead of me
My dear ol' bro, you are asking me to fulfil the law of Christ? Brother, I will do what I can, but time must be redeemed for the days are evil. It's good to have you back btw.

Galatians 6:2 KJV
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

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News Item2/6/14 2:26 PM
Dopey | Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
John UK wrote:
Just checked in to see what's happening, and what do I find?
1. I've already told you that I use only ONE moniker, even if others choose to use a thousand.
2. No, you're the heretic, ...
The calvary arrived just in time!!

I was getting tired from the body blows.
And now they can pound on you for a while
John my dear brother instead of me

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News Item2/6/14 2:02 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CAB wrote:
UK John's imaginary friends are posting this morning?
I'm not the heretic preaching TULIP....
Just checked in to see what's happening, and what do I find?

1. I've already told you that I use only ONE moniker, even if others choose to use a thousand.

2. No, you're the heretic, preaching the foul Cornerism doctrines, vainly imagining you can come up to an imagined standard so that the holy God will let you in to his holy heaven without your wedding garment of the pure righteousness of his Son imputed to you by faith.

3. I exhort you as a fellow fallen creature, that you desist from "trying to climb up by some other way", and find your way to "the door", by which, if you enter in, you will be saved, and that, by the grace of God, not of your own works, lest you boast (which of course you are already doing).

4. It makes me very sad when sinners are close to the kingdom, yet refuse the simplicity of the gospel, and seek to find some other way of being saved, apart from childlike faith in the Saviour of sinners.

5. It also makes me sad when sinners deride the one true sacrifice for sin, the blood atonement, and claim that it is insufficient to save. So think on these words, "JESUS SAVES". Not "half-saves".

Can't stop.

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News Item2/6/14 1:34 PM
mourner  Find all comments by mourner
Pastor John Beechy wrote:
God's Hebrew calendar is luni-solar. The Pagan/Gentile/Roman/Gregorian calendar that is forced upon most of the world is false. Many of the so-called sabbath-keepers don't even use the proper calendar with their pet doctrine.
Are you saying that the Christian sabbath should be on another day or that there is no Christian sabbath? If the first the last person I'm knowledgeable of, that made that an issue was a very dangerous man, who mislead a number of women who were easily deceived, but those woman had a godly man that risked all to care for their soul and many were delivered out of their error though not out from under God's correction. Suffering is not sin and is how one through bears. We should not look for it, but all that *live godly* in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. *What does that mean to you*?
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News Item2/6/14 12:54 PM
Pastor John Beechy  Find all comments by Pastor John Beechy
God's Hebrew calendar is luni-solar. The Pagan/Gentile/Roman/Gregorian calendar that is forced upon most of the world is false. Many of the so-called sabbath-keepers don't even use the proper calendar with their pet doctrine.
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News Item2/6/14 12:52 PM
mourner  Find all comments by mourner
CAB wrote:
No body's sins are forgiven in advance by God's-wrath-on-Jesus (never happened).
John 19: 29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, *It is finished*: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

What was it that was finished? Is GOD Infinite, Eternal and Unchangeable in his Being, Wisdom, Power, Holiness Justice Goodness and Truth? Is the Lord Jesus truly GOD and truly man, two distinct natures in one person forever?

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News Item2/6/14 11:44 AM
CAB  Find all comments by CAB
truth reader wrote:
1. It's GOD who demands the blood and the sacrifice of the perfect Lamb of God. Just as HE demanded the blood of lambs and bulls in the OT. And the godly Calvinist gives ALL, ALL, the glory to GOD.
Well, we are saved and cleansed by the B-L-O-O-D. No more sacrifice necessary. Our sins are purged, washed clean by the BLOOD of Jesus. The Blood of Jesus continues to be available to wash us, to break our sin addictions and make our dead spirits alive to God.

But we must come to Jesus in faith, repenting. Jesus will turn nobody away.

Nobody's sins are forgiven in advance by God's-wrath-on-Jesus (never happened). Our PAST sins are forgiven when we trust in Jesus, but even those sins will all get put back to our account ten-fold if we are not merciful and forgive others who ask us to.

There are many sins, pitfalls, easy ways to apostatize and fall away the Bible warns us of.

So to say there was a BLOODLESS ATONEMENT of the Father punishing Jesus in advance on the cross and in Hell to pay for sins of Chosen Elect, to give them a Bloodless Atonement speedrail to Heaven is a Satanic lie.

Satan laughs in glee at people who fall for that sweet lie, even to commit suicide and die in their sins to go to Hell.

Truth is Truth.

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News Item2/6/14 11:28 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
"Now I want to talk to you today about some serious Scripture that is laid down in God's Holy Word..." Oliver B. Greene from his audio sermon "Your last chance with God" -- around 7 min 54 sec point in the sermon

SteveR and Cab what do you each think is the most serious Scripture in the entire Bible?

***********
Oliver B. Greene despite having died in 1976 can be heard at 11am and 11 pm est. My memory tells me I gave you the Mon thru Fri schedule but my memory is not always perfect so check the Schedule when you get here WFAX

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News Item2/6/14 11:21 AM
One of Gods elect  Find all comments by One of Gods elect
CAB wrote:
UK John's imaginary friends are posting this morning?
I'm not the heretic preaching TULIP, license to sin, bloodless atonement that brings no-double-jeopardy guaranteed Heaven on a speedrail no matter how evil the person. I don't advocate total depravity of God's prophets and holy men and martyrs. Or unconditional election of sinning blobs required to give NOTHING back to God despite God's commandment that he wants EVERYTHING from us, to love him with ALL our heart, soul, mind and STRENGTH. Jesus taught lazy servants get thrown into deepest farthest blackest remotest regions of Hell with great anger being called LAZY, WORTHLESS, GOOD FOR NOTHING!
I am a heretic because I read and take to heart the words of Jesus he spoke when he walked among us a mere 2000 years ago, recorded by witnesses, some who lived and worked side by side with him? I am a heretic because I reject the writings of a student of Augustine and Plato who liked to burn people alive at the stake and teach license to sin and bloodless atonement?
God's-wrath-on-Jesus bloodless-atonement heresy supports OSAS Satanic myth.
Time to get back to the Bible?
Blah! Blah, Blah, Blah...............nothing new here
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News Item2/6/14 11:16 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
CAB wrote:
Why do some see no biggie for Jews stoning him, but are in 100% denial as to the cannibalism?
Perhaps those Jews, who supposedly -- by YOUR reackoning -- chowed down on Stephen, spread some cream cheese on him for a tasty knosh? And I suppose that the High Priest & Pharisees all forgot their dietary laws and decided to eat blood (forbidden in the Law). Or perhaps prior to the Stephen episode, some rabbi blessed Stephen as being "kosher" and fit for consumption?

Silly stuff this "cannibalism" assertion of yours!

And YOU claim that the Holy Spirit guided you into this whacko interpretation?! "God forbid" (as Paul DIDN'T WRITE, but the KJV has it there in Romans 6:2 ... and many other places in Romans).

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News Item2/6/14 11:13 AM
truth reader  Find all comments by truth reader
CAB wrote:
1. I'm not the heretic preaching TULIP, license to sin, bloodless atonement
2. who liked to burn people alive at the stake
1. It's GOD who demands the blood and the sacrifice of the perfect Lamb of God. Just as HE demanded the blood of lambs and bulls in the OT. And the godly Calvinist gives ALL, ALL, the glory to GOD.
Its the Arminian fiction that replaces GOD with human decision or will or faculty or whatever.

2. That was the European and British justice of the time - NOT down to one man. Apparently Arminians cannot even read and understand the history books never mind the Bible.

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News Item2/6/14 10:49 AM
CAB | Bible Christian  Find all comments by CAB
One of Gods elect wrote:
Just another one of his/her heresies that he/she is plastering all over this board.
UK John's imaginary friends are posting this morning?

I'm not the heretic preaching TULIP, license to sin, bloodless atonement that brings no-double-jeopardy guaranteed Heaven on a speedrail no matter how evil the person. I don't advocate total depravity of God's prophets and holy men and martyrs. Or unconditional election of sinning blobs required to give NOTHING back to God despite God's commandment that he wants EVERYTHING from us, to love him with ALL our heart, soul, mind and STRENGTH. Jesus taught lazy servants get thrown into deepest farthest blackest remotest regions of Hell with great anger being called LAZY, WORTHLESS, GOOD FOR NOTHING!

I am a heretic because I read and take to heart the words of Jesus he spoke when he walked among us a mere 2000 years ago, recorded by witnesses, some who lived and worked side by side with him? I am a heretic because I reject the writings of a student of Augustine and Plato who liked to burn people alive at the stake and teach license to sin and bloodless atonement?

God's-wrath-on-Jesus bloodless-atonement heresy supports OSAS Satanic myth.

Time to get back to the Bible?

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News Item2/6/14 10:42 AM
truth reader  Find all comments by truth reader
CAB wrote:
And considering that while the Jews were gnashing on Stephen he looked up and saw Jesus in Heaven standing up from his throne, I'd say a crowd of crazed Jews tearing into his flesh told Stephen he had not much more time alive in this world, which is why he lifted up his eyes to Heaven and saw Jesus.
.....
Why do some see no biggie for Jews stoning him, but are in 100% denial as to the cannibalism?
CAB. You confirm more and more everyday that Arminianism is a complete heresy.
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