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Update: 24 killed in Moore tornado, 9 children

MOORE, Okla. – The medical examiner’s office has confirmed 24 people were killed in the Moore tornado Monday.

Amy Ellis with the M.E.’s office said 9 of those killed are children.

She said seven children were found at Plaza Towers elementary school and two more were found elsewhere.

Ellis said that number could continue to rise.

The medical examiner’s office confirmed at least 233 people have been injured but 101 people were pulled from the damage overnight.


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SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why SteveR, I have to say I agree with you the message right before this one!
When you have the Bible you don't need Confessions, etc. One doesn't need what the Romish Church thinks passes for Roman Catholic Authority (PDF).
Jim, I am very happy we agree. I think these confessions are wonderful documents, but they were intended for an audience that knew Scripture well not meant as a replacement for teaching Scripture.
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News Item5/21/13 3:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why SteveR, I have to say I agree with you the message right before this one!

When you have the Bible you don't need Confessions, etc. One doesn't need what the Romish Church thinks passes for Roman Catholic Authority (PDF).

S.F. John, interesting comments but I might be rather hesitant in considering this Judgment By Natural Disasters but I will point out part of the summary for this sermon, which echos your sentiments,

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
The perspective of the believer and unbeliever on world events is very different. The unbeliever's level of peace and security rises and falls as the economy, the environment, the political scene, and so forth either causes problems, or seems to be resolved. The believer understands the problem in the world is sin, only God has the solution, and judgment is coming upon all who will not repent. Even being foretold of coming judgment does not change the heart of most. . . .
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News Item5/21/13 2:45 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
San Jose John wrote:
We're studying this in the Bible study I presently attend. Our teacher gave each of us a small paperback copy of a book that contains the Heidleberg Catechism, the Belgic Confession, and the Canons of Dort.
So far it's been pretty enlightening. Even though these works are NOT the Bible and therefore not authoritative in themselves, they do a very fine job of explaining the Bible's doctrines and include many scripture proofs for each one.
Regarding the tornado, Psalm 90 provides ample perspective regarding the present fallen nature of our flesh and the world, and God's general reaction to these (earthquakes, etc.)
At first, I didnt know if I should respond but since I brought up the Belgic Confession I should. When studying these recognize that they are documents developed out of dispute

the T U L I P response was in the 5 main areas of dispute during the reformation
Human Corruption
Election
Atonement
Grace
Steadfastness
While I will quote them often, understand that these should not become a lens where one judges all Scripture. Unfortunatly these documents do so well explaining areas of Scripture, they become used as replacements for Scripture

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News Item5/21/13 2:45 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Thank you San Jose John . I appreciate it. I will check that psalm out . Thank you
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News Item5/21/13 2:17 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Mr b wrote:
I don't know what the Belgium confession is either. I thought the reason why things happen us because its a fallen world. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. God only knows
We're studying this in the Bible study I presently attend. Our teacher gave each of us a small paperback copy of a book that contains the Heidleberg Catechism, the Belgic Confession, and the Canons of Dort.

So far it's been pretty enlightening. Even though these works are NOT the Bible and therefore not authoritative in themselves, they do a very fine job of explaining the Bible's doctrines and include many scripture proofs for each one.

Regarding the tornado, Psalm 90 provides ample perspective regarding the present fallen nature of our flesh and the world, and God's general reaction to these (earthquakes, etc.)

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News Item5/21/13 2:14 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Ah yes, bro.
Lamentations 3 shows that even prophets got really confused at the Lord. What is he DOING to me?
Great points you made, very well!
Very good scripture; thanks! It sounds like a true Christian was suffering for reasons he could not comprehend. But, then like all believers instead of leaving God, he turned to Him beginning in verse 20. Adversity makes all believer's faith stronger and it drives others away.

EXCELLENT SCRIPTURE!

[5] For his anger [endureth but] a moment; in his favour [is] life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy [cometh] in the morning. [6] And in my prosperity I said, I shall never be moved. (Psa 30:5-6 KJV)

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News Item5/21/13 1:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Nebraska being in Tornado Alley, have response teams set up, and of course we help out our fellow states. {URL=http://www.klkntv.com/story/22304074/urban-search-rescue-team-dispatched-to-oklahoma>Urban Search & Rescue Team dispatched to Oklahoma. The Role of God in Natural Disasters.
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News Item5/21/13 1:20 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
No, only Catholicism got the 101.
Thanks for the verses from Mark! We all wrestle with God and I don't really think that is a bad thing for believers. If someone is wrestling, then they have faith; if someone never wrestles, then I'm not sure they are in the faith? Just look at all the wrestling matches the prophets fought and lost.
But, there will be a day when all wrestling and doubt ceases.
Deu. 29:29
Habakkuk 1:2-4
I see you "recovered" from your dinner.
Ah yes, bro.

Lamentations 3 shows that even prophets got really confused at the Lord. What is he DOING to me?

Great points you made, very well!

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News Item5/21/13 1:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
A 101 meditation?
On Sunday our preacher was saying that Jesus harshly rebuked the wind because it was an attack by the devil on the Lord and his people. I'd never thought about that possibility.
Mark 4:39 KJV
39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
What power!! With the waves crashing over the ship, and nearly sinking, wind howling and rainstorm pouring and thunder sounding. One word and it is calm as a duckpond.
No, only Catholicism got the 101.

Thanks for the verses from Mark! We all wrestle with God and I don't really think that is a bad thing for believers. If someone is wrestling, then they have faith; if someone never wrestles, then I'm not sure they are in the faith? Just look at all the wrestling matches the prophets fought and lost.

But, there will be a day when all wrestling and doubt ceases.

Deu. 29:29

Habakkuk 1:2-4

I see you "recovered" from your dinner.

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News Item5/21/13 1:00 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
No problem Pilgrim! I wrote a meditation on "ashamed of God?" and they were part of it. I always found our Lord's discussion in Luke 13:1-5 to be very telling.
Many of the prophets got mad at God for doing stuff; many questioned Him and His righteousness; Jeremiah even accusing Him of being like a deceptive stream. But, in "most cases" God never justified Himself before them, but either reproved them or simply ignored them.
When I do that, He usually ignores me.
One day when we are finally in glory, it will all make sense. But, I think it is healthy to discuss these things as long as it doesn't get out of hand? Very difficult subject though - God's sovereignty.
A 101 meditation?

On Sunday our preacher was saying that Jesus harshly rebuked the wind because it was an attack by the devil on the Lord and his people. I'd never thought about that possibility.

Mark 4:39 KJV
39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

What power!! With the waves crashing over the ship, and nearly sinking, wind howling and rainstorm pouring and thunder sounding. One word and it is calm as a duckpond.

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News Item5/21/13 12:53 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Thanks for all those scriptures, Frank. It is God speaking to us.
No problem Pilgrim! I wrote a meditation on "ashamed of God?" and they were part of it. I always found our Lord's discussion in Luke 13:1-5 to be very telling.

Many of the prophets got mad at God for doing stuff; many questioned Him and His righteousness; Jeremiah even accusing Him of being like a deceptive stream. But, in "most cases" God never justified Himself before them, but either reproved them or simply ignored them.

When I do that, He usually ignores me.

One day when we are finally in glory, it will all make sense. But, I think it is healthy to discuss these things as long as it doesn't get out of hand? Very difficult subject though - God's sovereignty.

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News Item5/21/13 12:32 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thanks for all those scriptures, Frank. It is God speaking to us.
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News Item5/21/13 12:31 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Not to get lost here, father I humbly ask again , please bring comfort peace and hope as only You can to the lives of the victims and survivors of this disaster. May You have mercy upon them. In Jesus name. Amen ( thank you frank, steveR, and John beechy for sharing your knowledge with me) God bless you
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News Item5/21/13 12:28 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mr b wrote:
Franks explanation , I agree with that . It's straight from the bible.
Thanks Mr.B. I may not understand our heavenly Father, since His thoughts and ways are so much higher than ours, but I do understand the following verses and in my mind they are so comforting.

[15] Precious in the sight of the LORD [is] the death of his saints. (Psa 116:15 KJV)

[1] The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth [it] to heart: and merciful men [are] taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil [to come]. [2] He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, [each one] walking [in] his uprightness. (Isa 57:1-2 KJV)

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News Item5/21/13 12:15 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Franks explanation , I agree with that . It's straight from the bible.
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News Item5/21/13 12:09 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
[1] There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. [2] And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? [3] I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. [4] Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? [5] I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luk 13:1-5 KJV)

[7] I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. (Isa 45:7 KJV)

[6] Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done [it]? (Amo 3:6 KJV)

[2] Wherefore should the heathen say, Where [is] now their God? [3] But our God [is] in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. (Psa 115:2-3)

What took place is a tragedy and I am praying for all the victims, especially those who belong to our perfectly loving and just heavenly Father.

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News Item5/21/13 12:08 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
I'm gonna check it out and read it. Thank you brother stevenR . I appreciate it. Sincerely
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News Item5/21/13 12:07 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Mr b wrote:
Thank you stevenR. I didn't know the meaning. Thank you for showing me that.
You are welcome Mr b
Remember the Joplin twister? If you look up the etymology of Joplin, you will see

Joplin Meaning: the son of Job

Job 1:18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: Job 1:19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Jobs friends wanted to appear wise & place blame where they wanted, and were rebuked. If Joplin was a reason to read and learn from Job, then we now have 'Moore' of a reason

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News Item5/21/13 11:53 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Thank you stevenR. I didn't know the meaning. Thank you for showing me that.
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News Item5/21/13 11:50 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Could be. Your comment makes me think that also . It might be that. I wouldn't rule it out because nothing good comes from a rejection of Christ . But like I said , I don't know the answer. I could be wrong or right but I have to agree with your comment John beechy. It's a definite factor
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