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SUNDAY, DEC 2, 2012  |  171 comments  |  1 commentary
Rick Warren Uncertain if Homosexual Behavior is Sinful, Says ‘Gays’ Go to Heaven
Controversy is stirring over recent comments made by Rick Warren, author of the best-selling book The Purpose-Driven Life and megachurch leader of Saddleback Church in California, who stated that homosexual behavior “might be” sinful, and that he believes homosexuals go to Heaven.

During an interview this week with the Huffington Post, Warren was asked by Marc Lamont Hill if having romantic feelings for a member of the same sex is a sin. Leading up to the question, Warren was explaining that he does not hate homosexuals, and that people should disagree politely on the subject of homosexuality.

“I have many, many gay friends, and have worked around the world with them in gay organizations to try to stop AIDS,” he said. “We’re doing ‘World AIDS Day’ this weekend at Saddleback Church. My wife and I have given millions of dollars to help people with HIV/AIDS and have worked with gay organizations on ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
"...yet he found no place of repentance in the mind of Isaac, though he wept before him and pleaded so earnestly......" -- H. A. Ironside from
Ironside Notes on Selected Books (one of the numerous free modules that integrate with the free Bible Software theWord.
Hey man, that's about it; nay, that is it! Repent = Change of Mind.

It confused me for decades thinking that Esau was "incapable" of repentance, even weeping about it while he sought it. But it wasn't Esau at all but Isaac whom he was seeking to change his mind after his brother had deceptively received the firstborn's blessing at Isaac's hand.

You've got a good module there on The Word. I wonder if e-sword has this chappie.

Frank, what you posted was also my understanding of it until recently. Mr Ironside has put what I believe is the correct interpretation most clearly.

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News Item12/7/12 5:45 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
"Esau who, in spite of all his privileges, was a profane person, who thought more of personal, physical
gratification than of future spiritual blessing. And though the day came when he bitterly repented his folly and sought to persuade his father to reverse his judgment and give him the blessing he had formerly despised, yet he found no place of repentance in the mind of Isaac, though he wept before him and pleaded so earnestly. It is not of course that Esau himself could not have repented of his folly, though the special blessing was lost for good and all; but that once the blessing was given to Jacob there could be no change, “for the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” The warning is a most solemn one, for there were no doubt many in that day, and there are many still who mingle with the people of God, who yet have never judged the flesh in the light of the cross of Christ. Numbers of them will awaken to a sense of their folly when it is too late to obtain the blessing that once seemed so valueless." -- H. A. Ironside from
Ironside's Notes on Selected Books (one of the numerous free modules that integrate with the free Bible Software theWord.
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News Item12/7/12 5:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
I have always thought he sought "worldly repentance" instead of godly repentance. Does the article imply differently. If so I will take a look at it. Or are you saying it wasn't worldly repentance?
Hello brother.
Ah, you are thinking that he was seeking his own repentance.

Now that doesn't make much sense, eh?

Men either repent or they are impenitent.

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News Item12/7/12 5:22 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Hi Frank, so what did you make of it?
Hebrews 12:15-17 KJV
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
What did he seek carefully with tears?
I have always thought he sought "worldly repentance" instead of godly repentance. Does the article imply differently. If so I will take a look at it. Or are you saying it wasn't worldly repentance?

Hello brother.

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News Item12/7/12 5:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Like you, I formed an early opinion of his repentance and believe it was the following. I don't remember that from the article; I just skimmed it. But Esau was guilty of "the sorrow of the world works death".
2 Corinthians 7:9. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. 10. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Hi Frank, so what did you make of it?

Hebrews 12:15-17 KJV
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

What did he seek carefully with tears?

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News Item12/7/12 5:02 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Dopey I am indebted to you for posting up this little but detailed reply to a very important question. Nice one!
BTW, I noticed in the conclusion of the matter, RA mentioned Esau and his seeking repentance with tears and not finding it. Since I first read this in the Bible in 1980, I have misinterpreted it all this time, and did not know what it really meant until 3 weeks ago when it was explained at our little Bible Study. It would be interesting to hear what others believe what it means.
Like you, I formed an early opinion of his repentance and believe it was the following. I don't remember that from the article; I just skimmed it. But Esau was guilty of "the sorrow of the world works death".

2 Corinthians 7:9. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. 10. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

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News Item12/7/12 4:40 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
Did I Miss God's Will for My Life? NEW!!
Dopey I am indebted to you for posting up this little but detailed reply to a very important question. Nice one!

If Christopher doesn't have the link on his modern machine, here it is bro:
http://www.freewebs.com/ratorrey/

BTW, I noticed in the conclusion of the matter, RA mentioned Esau and his seeking repentance with tears and not finding it. Since I first read this in the Bible in 1980, I have misinterpreted it all this time, and did not know what it really meant until 3 weeks ago when it was explained at our little Bible Study. It would be interesting to hear what others believe what it means.

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News Item12/7/12 4:28 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I'm assuming there is a link here? I'll check...
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News Item12/7/12 3:40 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Dopey wrote:
Did I Miss God's Will for My Life? NEW!!
I read this, not carefully but all the way through and all I can say is it was excellent. I wonder what Torrey would say about present day evangelism. Anyway I am going to review the rest of the site later.

THANKS, WHAT A GREAT READ.

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Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
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News Item12/7/12 12:29 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Guest wrote:
I wanted to comment on Joel osteen, check out his interviews on YouTube. I believe he was on Larry king. The things he said are extremely questionable. I know I got my sins, I'm probably one of the worst, but I wouldn't follow joel osteen over a shallow puddle.
Guest

John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

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News Item12/7/12 12:18 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Further observation wrote:
There are also very many who are right who are just plain nasty, don't you think?
So, if someone says that unless someone repents and believes on the Lord Jesus, they will suffer the wrath of God; is that being nice or being right, or both? When Christ cleansed the temple, would you say that was being nice and right, or right but not nice?

How would you know what is in their hearts so you could determine whether they were being nice or not?

I am confused.

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News Item12/7/12 10:56 AM
Guest | New York  Find all comments by Guest
I wanted to comment on Joel osteen, check out his interviews on YouTube. I believe he was on Larry king. The things he said are extremely questionable. I know I got my sins, I'm probably one of the worst, but I wouldn't follow joel osteen over a shallow puddle.
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News Item12/7/12 10:51 AM
Guest | New York  Find all comments by Guest
Yes Christopher from rhode island, I'm ok , thank you for asking. I found this great website called www.porn-free.org. It has some powerful prayers, hard truths , great teachings , and incredible insights. It also shows a way out . So I know I'm gonna be ok. I am taking your advice to just stop. I receive what you said in an earlier comment on passing on and standing before God. I want stand before Him, changed, and delivered. Thank you for your godly correction and advice!
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News Item12/7/12 9:33 AM
Further observation  Find all comments by Further observation
Mike wrote:
What God sees good in you is Jesus. Remember our good is not measured against the good in others, it's measured against God's standards. Ours is all "filthy rags" according to Scripture(Isa 64:6) And we're not called to be nice, but to be right. There are a lot of nice people who are not right with God, don't you think?
There are also very many who are right who are just plain nasty, don't you think?
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News Item12/7/12 8:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I haven't read good things about Joel Olsteen. Isn't he one of those preachers who has been compromising the word of God? Sorry if I'm wrong. Maybe the quote is good...I'm not certain about anything anymore...ha-ha. : (
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News Item12/7/12 8:30 AM
This is my Bible  Find all comments by This is my Bible
"This is my Bible:
I am what it says I am;
I have what it says I have;
I can do what it says I can do.
Today, I will be taught the Word of God.
I'll boldly confess.
My mind is alert;
my heart is receptive;
I will never be the same.
I am about to receive the incorruptible, indestructible,
ever-living Seed of the Word of God.
I'll never be the same -
never, never, never!
I'll never be the same,
in Jesus' Name."
-Joel Osteen's "This is my Bible." Every week hundreds of millions of Baptists recite this creed with Joel.
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News Item12/7/12 8:05 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Chris from New York...I hope you are ok?
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News Item12/7/12 7:56 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Cornucopia, I've been looking into a couple of Baptist churches. I guess I've been poisoned by the Charismatics? This is all pretty depressing because I feel like I have everything wrong and have to start all over. I just don't know what I have right and what I have wrong now.
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News Item12/7/12 7:49 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Dopey, I think you are saying that I should study and that as I do, God will open my understanding?
Mrdungheap, I haven't found a church yet. Are you saying I should go to one of those? I was Charismatic at first but am not anymore. I went to a Charismatic church for some time though. The people were very friendly, helpful, etc, and I really miss that but I came to believe that there was a lot going on that didn't jive with scripture. I've been thinking about going to a Baptist church(?)
I'm still scratching my head a bit but I guess the point is that what I might think is good in me really isn't and has nothing to do with why I was picked? God didn't see anything good in my heart, but rather the reason that He chooses us over others is a mystery? I always thought that He chooses those who He knew would choose Him but I recently found out that was wrong as well.
I Guess I need to start studying so I can try to put this all together because it really makes my head spin. I thought I knew much more than I do and it really bothers me to realize I guess how much I have confused.
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