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How Christian Colleges Become Bastions of Unbelief

What happened to so many once-Christian colleges in the United States? Two fine books describe the decline. George Marsden's 462-page The Soul of the American University shows how once-Protestant universities became secular look-alikes. James Burtchaell's The Dying of the Light: The Disengagement of Colleges and Universities from Their Christian Churches uses 868 pages to show not only how schools moved from liberal theism to secularism but how, before that, they moved from theologically conservative to liberal stances.

I'll try to give the high points of 1,330 pages in fewer than 1,330 words: Three central messages are (1) Follow the money, (2) Watch the college president, (3) See what the college does with Darwin. ...


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News Item8/26/12 11:58 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Mike wrote:
I can't say for sure, but the hints he drops indicate that Jim is led by Obama.

Where ya bin, ole friend? I've missed your witty comments.

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News Item8/26/12 10:30 AM
lighjt on subject  Find all comments by lighjt on subject
John UK wrote:
However, in my mind, the NIV System is not a solitary Bible translated in time, and highly regarded throughout christendom. Rather it is a sequence of Bibles, each of which makes changes, subtle and almost undiscernable. These changes take quite a while to document, but those who have been doing this work almost fulltime have made a sterling effort, and their results and conclusions are well worth studying.
Take the Todays NIV as an example. If someone is converted through the preaching of this "Bible" and reads nothing else, they will end up believing incorrectly.
And if you take Tomorrows NIV, can you imagine what else will be changed in such a "Bible"?
Eventually, there will be no evangelical content in the NIV.
Here's a question for you bro.
What makes you think, if the NWT and the NIV are translated from the same greek text, that the NWT is the one incorrectly translated?
The 2012 NIV translation committee carefully deliberates, via a vote, exactly which toppings to include on their delivered pizza. After dinner, they are almost as careful as they vote to wholesale change NT words from this to that.
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News Item8/26/12 9:34 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Hate to disagree with you bro, but they aren't similar at all. No JW could remain one if he studied from the NIV.
That's okay Mike, and I am happy to concede the point you make, seeing as you are taking the extant old NIV as the one in question.

However, in my mind, the NIV System is not a solitary Bible translated in time, and highly regarded throughout christendom. Rather it is a sequence of Bibles, each of which makes changes, subtle and almost undiscernable. These changes take quite a while to document, but those who have been doing this work almost fulltime have made a sterling effort, and their results and conclusions are well worth studying.

Take the Todays NIV as an example. If someone is converted through the preaching of this "Bible" and reads nothing else, they will end up believing incorrectly.

And if you take Tomorrows NIV, can you imagine what else will be changed in such a "Bible"?

Eventually, there will be no evangelical content in the NIV.

Here's a question for you bro.

What makes you think, if the NWT and the NIV are translated from the same greek text, that the NWT is the one incorrectly translated?

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News Item8/26/12 8:04 AM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Yet the Nestle's text is still from the same source of W&H text, from Egypt.
Can I ask you a question Jim, can in in your opinion, no one else, why we have the Syrian text in copies spanning over 1000 years? Everyone can question this question after Jim answers it.
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News Item8/26/12 7:21 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
...which was translated predominantly from the Westcott and Hort Greek text, which is why it is so similar to the NIV.
Hate to disagree with you bro, but they aren't similar at all. No JW could remain one if he studied from the NIV.

Lurker wrote:
Are you being led by God to rail against the KJV and the many God fearing Christians who treasure it? Or is your endless attacks just a personal hobby horse of your own making; an idol, if you will? Think about it.
I can't say for sure, but the hints he drops indicate that Jim is led by Obama.
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News Item8/26/12 6:52 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
The very first attack made by Satan in this world was against Eve. And he attacked her by seeking to convince her that God did not mean what he said. The attack was against the veracity of the word of God.

The result of that one attack?

THE FALL and all its consequences!

But the Lord God made provision for a redemption, a salvation for those so fallen, it was to be a BLOOD SACRIFICE, an atonement of substitution, the JUST was to die for (in place of) the unjust. The Christ was to die "for the ungodly". As one hymnwriter put it, "In my place condemned he stood; Sealed my pardon with his blood."

How do we know all this?

It is WRITTEN, It is WRITTEN, It is WRITTEN.

Where?

In the Bible, of course!

So God has caused to be written down in a collection of books called the Bible, all that we need to know in order to be saved from the consequences of our sins, which is death and eternal separation from God in the lake of fire?

Correct!

But won't The Devil attack God's word again, to try to prevent people from learning about the Blood Sacrifice, Substitution of The Just for the unjust, and Justification by Faith Alone?

He surely will!

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News Item8/26/12 12:01 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I can use more than one version of the Bible, it has to fall under the necessities, It has to be in contemporary English and it has to had Baptists on its translation team.
No hard, verifiable facts which leaves no doubt that the NASB is the English translation which God has blessed in this age, eh? I didn't think so, Jim.

The criteria you use to select a bible for your use is, of course, up to you. If you are indeed seeking God's will in your life, I am convinced He is able to speak to you and guide you from the pages of any English translation. Perhaps you could see your way to permit others the same liberty of conscience. As it is, and has been for many years, you differ not a whit from the militant KJV Onlist's you rail against which, to my knowledge, have no presence on this forum.

Are you being led by God to rail against the KJV and the many God fearing Christians who treasure it? Or is your endless attacks just a personal hobby horse of your own making; an idol, if you will? Think about it.

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News Item8/25/12 3:50 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Guilt by association is an appeal to emotion attempting to make something look good by attempting to make the alternative look bad. Very ineffective, Jim.
How about some hard, verifiable facts which leaves no doubt that the NASB is the English translation which God has blessed in this age?
I notice that, just like a politician, Jim has avoided the question completely, and woffled on in his usual cultic way. I'd say he is far worse than the most hardened KJV-Onlyist, having a bee in his bonnet and a one-track-mind on the KJV of the Bible. I've yet to hear him say anything about how wonderful it is to have the word of God in English. Maybe he is like those Israelites and their quails - they had so many that they grew sick and tired of them and wanted to go back to the manna from heaven.
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News Item8/25/12 3:47 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
It can be a lonely path,
Im glad to gave such good company on this road to Emmaus
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News Item8/25/12 3:44 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Here some more and repeated reasons why I believe the KJV is superior over all English bibles from 1611 to today,
1. It is a great divider, even with KJVO
2. It will end a Ecumenical movement quicker than you can think, if it use the right way of chose
3. It stood the test longer the W&H RV, which was suppose replace the KJV
4. It had the underdogs of the RCI trying to stop the power that the Lord gave the KJV, and still have not won, you can still get KJV today.
5. It put every sin from Sodomites to false gods to the smallest sin we can try to cover up
6. The KJV did and still does a better job at making firm consciences, so firm that if you put just few of those men God use to preach the gospel with the KJV in one room and get one to try to get other follow his consciences, you would want to remove all scarp objects in it.
7. The KJV creates unity where the believers believe it God's perfect and pure word, that when it does divide them then it means only one of two things, the Lord wants to created another work or had that believer leave, or someone got to self-righteous
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News Item8/25/12 3:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
My Lurker how perceptive! Yes, there are some addle-headed types who just like the those of the KJVO movement are part of the lunatic fringe! The NASB is the most accurate, but many people recognize there are other good versions out there. As I have pointed out about the **** *** version of the KJV,q.v.,II Peter 2:16, the ESV which isn't given as an example, though mentioned in, Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions, has one of the best renderings "speechless donkey," for that verse.

However, I have seen guilt by association Westcott & Hort vs. Textus Receptus: Which is Superior?, for modern translations. While those mentioned in the articles I gave were members of the translation team for the AV, and had a devilish effect on it.

So, I can use more than one version of the Bible, it has to fall under the necessities, It has to be in contemporary English and it has to had Baptists on its translation team. I sure wouldn't use it for church purposes otherwise or to quote here (except to show off the weakness of a version, such as the AV).

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News Item8/25/12 2:40 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well remember the heretical homosexual King James, the heretical archbishop who was the leader of the AV translation team, The Influence of An Anglican Archbishop on the KJV, and some of the translation team were Satan's own men also, Did the Members of the High Commission Court (English Inquistion) Have Any Influence on the KJV?. Of course Erasmus was dedicated member and supporter of the heretical Romish Church, Was the Roman Catholic Erasmus Sound in His Doctrine?. The KJV can only be rated slightly higher than the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witnesses, but not by much!
Guilt by association is an appeal to emotion attempting to make something look good by attempting to make the alternative look bad. Very ineffective, Jim.

How about some hard, verifiable facts which leaves no doubt that the NASB is the English translation which God has blessed in this age?

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News Item8/25/12 2:38 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witnesses....
...which was translated predominantly from the Westcott and Hort Greek text, which is why it is so similar to the NIV.
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News Item8/25/12 2:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well remember the heretical homosexual King James, the heretical archbishop who was the leader of the AV translation team, The Influence of An Anglican Archbishop on the KJV, and some of the translation team were Satan's own men also, Did the Members of the High Commission Court (English Inquistion) Have Any Influence on the KJV?. Of course Erasmus was dedicated member and supporter of the heretical Romish Church, Was the Roman Catholic Erasmus Sound in His Doctrine?. The KJV can only be rated slightly higher than the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witnesses, but not by much!
Doug Kutilek wrote:
And I could write at length of the KJV's fourfold reference to the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, as "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11), which in my opinion comes little short, if indeed it comes short at all, of blasphemy. Baptist theologian Emery Bancroft ascribed this horrid translation to Socinian influence among the KJV translators...
fromexcerpt from Restating the Obvious...[/UR
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News Item8/25/12 2:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
John UK
Not a pastor, I am very much like you. Thats why I have taken such an interest in your posts these last few years. Like you, my Faith was built entirely on Sola Scriptura, not what I learned from a sermon, creed or catechism. I never read a commentary until I had a firm grasp on what the GREAT BLESSING Gods Word was for me.
Like a little lamb, I only know the voice of my Shepherd
Ah Steve, you are a whole Bible man!

I shall never understand why those who say they hold to sola scriptura insist on ignoring certain scriptures when they counter their creeds and confessions. Maybe they are willing to compromise in order to maintain appearances and the respect of their contemporaries. If you walk the same path as myself, you care nothing for the censures of men, but desire only the smile of God.

It can be a lonely path, and the whole of the issue revolves around God's word. Everything in Christianity begins here, and it is why I think it important to counter those gullible folks who hearken to the siren voices of modernists, being convinced by them that the word of God is lost in the passage of time.

Thank God for the Shepherd's voice!

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News Item8/25/12 1:44 PM
corry  Find all comments by corry
mjg fayetteville wrote:
Correction said: This is an erroneous assumption! It is well known for example that the Septuagint is an "inferior" translation, a fact known for 2000 years." How can it be inferior if Christ uses it....wouldn't that be heretical to say Gosd didn't know what He was doing.
When Christ came into His ministry He took "inferior" sinners and made them His disciples.

Do you actually believe that Christ "needed" the Word of God in 'book' (scroll) form to be able to know the wisdom of God?

When Christ walked the earth He took an "inferior" religion and by grace turned it into Christianity.

BTW The "septuagint" was not the only copy of Scripture available in Jesus earthly days.

There were a few Hebrew translations around.

If "heresy" is a concern for you then don't forget that the anglican Liberals Westcott and Hort were heretics - And they have a large input into all modern versions, via the Nestle-Aland.

ps. Who is Gosd???

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News Item8/25/12 1:23 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Ha! It is well. Say, you're not a pastor are you Steve?
Regarding "victories", I suppose I should say "seeming victories". Like the success Satan had in deceiving Adam's wife. Or the success he has had in producing counterfeit religions, or having the saints murdered, or turning Bible Learning Centres into places where you can lose heart and faith.
We are in the midst of a war, and it is God versus The Devil. We are to fight fully kitted out, with all the armour God gives us, especially with a sharp double-edged sword not a rusty old blunt penknife. We are designed for victory and overcoming, but ofttimes we fail and come short. Thank God he receives our penitent confessions and remorse, forgives, and sets us on our way again, rejoicing in the finished work of a complete Saviour.
John UK
Not a pastor, I am very much like you. Thats why I have taken such an interest in your posts these last few years. Like you, my Faith was built entirely on Sola Scriptura, not what I learned from a sermon, creed or catechism. I never read a commentary until I had a firm grasp on what the GREAT BLESSING Gods Word was for me.

Like a little lamb, I only know the voice of my Shepherd

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News Item8/25/12 1:21 PM
Bardy  Find all comments by Bardy
Mike wrote:
Extremists in both camps listen to Satan. But each camp in their religious pride thinks the other Satanic.
Why Mike ye ole Calvinist

Where have you been? I thought you'd emigrated.

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News Item8/25/12 1:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
John UK
1) No 'great' victories, certainly not one that 'damaged irreparably many genuine believers'
2) Saving faith makes this a tough 'excuse' to make
3) I perform those things because thats what I was created for...if you want to call that a robot..its up to you
4) Amen
SteveR(obot)
Deuteronomy 25:4 Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.
Ha! It is well. Say, you're not a pastor are you Steve?

Regarding "victories", I suppose I should say "seeming victories". Like the success Satan had in deceiving Adam's wife. Or the success he has had in producing counterfeit religions, or having the saints murdered, or turning Bible Learning Centres into places where you can lose heart and faith.

We are in the midst of a war, and it is God versus The Devil. We are to fight fully kitted out, with all the armour God gives us, especially with a sharp twoedged sword not a rusty old blunt penknife. We are designed for victory and overcoming, but ofttimes we fail and come short. Thank God he receives our penitent confessions and remorse, forgives, and sets us on our way again, rejoicing in the finished work of a complete Saviour.

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News Item8/25/12 1:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Bardy wrote:
Satan doesn't need to fight against Arminians. It was his idea in the first place to suggest that people can save themselves, look at the papal antichrist's outfit.
Extremists in both camps listen to Satan. But each camp in their religious pride thinks the other Satanic.
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