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Billy Graham still preaches the Gospel of inclusion


Billy Graham

MONTREAT, N.C. — Every morning the world’s most famous evangelist walks slowly and carefully up the narrow road twisting behind his log cabin. He sits on an iron bench, set in a clearing amid the pines where a tiny stream plunges down the ridge to form an icy pool far below.

Here, Billy Graham, 86 and every day more frail, prays, “Help me, Lord.” Here, he practices his voice, a habit of 40 years, “like an opera singer does the scales. Yes. Yes. Yes. No. No. No.”

He’s warming up for his 417th crusade — three nights of Christian testimony and music in New York, culminating in his inimitable call to come forward to God. The event in late June will be his first appearance in the city since he packed Central Park in 1991.

Today, as many fundamentalists and “traditionalists” refuse to share podiums with people who don’t share their vision of salvation, Graham opens his events to people of every ...


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News Item5/25/05 10:39 AM
Anthony  
Gday brother Mike, it is good to hear from a believer!

2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

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News Item5/25/05 10:23 AM
Mike | mex  
Got your back Ed,
No, Anthony has not lost. You will see who will lose on judgment day. Who do you think that Matthew 7:21,22 is addressed to? People who have responded to tons and tons of Billy Graham altar calls. Are some of them saved? Yes, in fact, many. Are many of them still lost? I would guess that the majority.
Anthony, keep on the good fight.
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News Item5/25/05 9:52 AM
Anthony  
Got your back Ed, are you a universalist? Does everyone get saved in your opinion?

That is what Ed taught!

DOCTRINE OF DEVILS!

By the grace of God I'll never give it up!

Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

You said: Can you not cease from foaming your rhetoric that is incapable of converting a flea?

That is why I preach the word!

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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News Item5/25/05 8:53 AM
Got Your Back Ed  
Anthony why don't you give it up? Why don't you see that you have lost in your pursuit of making everyone into what you have unfortunately become? Can you not accept accept your defeat? Can you not cease from foaming your rhetoric that is incapable of converting a flea? . Do you not realize how much of a fool you are proving yourself to be? But of course, please don't bother to answer these questions, because I already know the answer to each one. On top of that, I won't even bother to respond to your pollution called the gospel.

And for the record, neither I, nor Ed, nor Billy ever denied the truth that Jesus Christ is the only way to the God of salvation. We fully acknowledge that Jesus is the Savior of the entire world, meaning every soul that enters Heaven's eternity. No one is disputing any of these foundational truths. As a matter of fact, you and those of your sectarian tribe are the only ones who have disputed anything. You are the ones who are telling us what we believe, even though we have spelled out exactly what we believe. But of course if what we say does not match exactly as you say and believe, then what we say doesn't matter. So you see, you are the only one, along with your crew, who is judging and condemning who God or Christ is not. Stop!!

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News Item5/25/05 5:09 AM
Anthony  
Got your back Ed, the only reason, we will not listen to people like you and Chill, and Ed and Billy is because you do not speak the Word of God!

You speak lies and flattering words, you speak false love, and preach another Jesus!

Those who heed your words, are the fools!

Pro 19:27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

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News Item5/24/05 10:36 PM
Got Your Back Ed  
Chill, don't even respond to that guy. It would be a work in futility. You must not remain in the presence of a fool when you perceive that there is no entry of knowledge there. This guy, along with several others, is passed understanding at this point in his life. He's rooted in his ignorance and is not going to let it go any time soon. You have to go to the highways and byways as JESUS did, because the Pharisees are too bull-headedly right.
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News Item5/24/05 7:39 PM
Anthony  
Chill, the question is how many people am I decieving? How many people am I flattering? What have I said that is not true?

1Ki 22:14 And Micaiah said, As the LORD liveth, what the LORD saith unto me, that will I speak.

Prove your point from the scriptures, not from vain words!

How many people has Billy Balaam Graham decieved? Millions!

Does he speak the word of the Lord?

How many people has he led to the papal church? MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Is he preaching the truth? definitely not!

Is he one of Christ's? definitely not!

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Forasmuch as you speak falsely, The Lord has not sent you!

Jer 29:9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

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News Item5/24/05 7:25 PM
Anthony  
Chill, your not letting me get away? Chill you do not have me in your grip!

You and Ed and got your back Ed along with Billy balaam Graham, are all decievers!

You are pushing the anti gospel of false love, you are preaching another Jesus!

The true Lord Jesus Christ's doctrine is not that of toleration and inclusionism!

Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

The masses love decievers!

What matters is that the "TRUTH" is preached in love, this love though, is not flattery, for flattery works ruin, true love is obedient to God, and speaks the word of the Lord, not the vain imagination of the heart!

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News Item5/24/05 5:27 PM
Got Your Back Ed  
Chill, you are alright. You have the proper perspective on this issue. You have made a proper assessment on this matter, regardless of whether the rest of these know-it-alls accept it. They really need to be introduced to the Jesus of Love, the one that that guy Ed was referencing to. Ed may have been somewhat out-there in his views, but who's to say that he is missing the mark? And even if he were missing it, so what! How many times have we missed it, and God didn't condemn or curse us to Hell? We are so unlike God, who has to find it quite distrubing to hear the rhetoric that some of these so-called setting-the-record-straight guys are fumigating from their obvious hearts of hatred. It has been a long time since I have read hatred of this sort from the side of believers. These guys need to examine themselves to see if they are of the Faith, because they sure aren't acting out of that Faith.

Keep up your comments, Chill, because you are on it. And don't let that guy who also avoided Ed's questions on the earlier pages off the hook. He has a problem with truth & makes a lot of noise with his little bark, but has no teeth to run the so-called intruders away. His mission on saving the world from Graham and others is failing miserably, and he doesn't even know it.

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News Item5/24/05 4:39 PM
Chill  
Anthony you can try to side step this all you like but i'm not letting you get away that easy.

So how many people did God send to you,so that you could share the Gospel with them and lead them to Christ?

Lets face it Billy Graham has been leading people to our Lord for well over 50 years.

I'll take what you say and others say about him with a grain of salt.I don't believe everything the man says but then again I don't agree with everything any other evangelist preaches either.

Its ez to sit back and judge others.Its Like we pull out a set of scales to judge ourselves and then we put those scales away and bring out another different set of scales to Judge others with.

Vanity,its all vanity.Our own sin nature causes us to become self righteous to Gods Holy and Righteous Laws.Its not God's Laws that need fixing,its us.People take his Laws and Beat people up with it all the time,Pompously thinking they do God a service.Not realizing they turn around and commit the same grievous sin themselves.This type of attitude sickens me.Do they even realize how Judgemental they are?

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News Item5/24/05 3:26 PM
Neil | Tucson  
John, it took awhile for you to reply, long enough for me to draw fire somehow. Apparently, posting anything here implies that I hate Billy G. I disapprove of much he has done, but he's not so different from most evangelical pastors that I should single him out (see, I'm not a coward!).

I'm not insisting that you argue with your priest; just say "goodbye" to him! Shy persons can surely do that much.

Again, I do not understand how you can engage in worship with which you have major disagreements.

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News Item5/24/05 2:25 PM
John Yurich | USA  
Neil,

I never stated that I do not care what the Priest believes. I stated that I do not tell the Priest or anybody else in the local Catholic Church that I am a member of that they are wrong for believing in the unscriptural doctrines because I am not that comfortable engaging in interpersonal communication face to face with individuals. And I do not tell the Priest or anybody else in church that I do not believe all Catholic doctrines because it is none of their business that I do not believe all Catholic doctrines. And another thing, if church membership has no bearing on salvation then why should it matter if someone who has taken Christ as Savior does not join an Evangelical Protestant Church but chooses to remain in a non Evangelical Church? The only reason to take Christ as Savior is to avoid going to Hell when pass away. That was the whole purpose of Christ being crucified on the Cross was to save mankind from Hell.

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News Item5/24/05 9:48 AM
mike | mex  
To "got your back ED,"

Poor you. We need to leave Ed alone??????? What kind of garbage is that?
He has every right to say something more inclusive than we do. We also have every right to say what God says and say the truth. Billy Graham says the pope is a great Christian leader. Billy Graham says that there is no literal hell. Billy Graham says that people who never hear the gospel will still be in heaven. If he is your friend, you have serious serious problems with your belief system . It is not Biblical. It is Anti-Christ.

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News Item5/24/05 6:45 AM
Anthony  
Chill, if you consider it love to flatter the ungodly you are seriously decieved!

2Ch 18:7 And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man, by whom we may enquire of the LORD: but I hate him; for he never prophesied good unto me, but always evil: the same is Micaiah the son of Imla. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so.

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News Item5/24/05 6:42 AM
Anthony  
Chill, seeing it is the father that draws men to Christ, no man can take the glory!

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Billy serves an idol, not the living God!

He needs to follow the example of these Thessalonians!

1Th 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God

Chill, Jesus said Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Legalism is mixing obedience to the law, plus faith in Jesus for salvation!

That is not what I believe or speak!

Rather the message of scripture is salvation by grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ!

True faith and true love keeps God's commandments, this is not legalism, but obedient faith!

If one who professes faith in Christ, is not moved by love to keep God's commandments, then he knows nothing of true grace, faith and love!

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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News Item5/24/05 5:00 AM
Chill  
Perfect Love cast out fear and hate.

Anthony,if you want to Judge Billy then Judge yourself.

How many people have you brought to Christ?

Now how many people has Billy brought to Christ?

Better yet how many people have you led into bondage/legalism?

The Law condemns but the Spirit Gives life.

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News Item5/23/05 3:12 PM
Got Your Back ED  
You guys need to leave Ed alone. He has the right to say something more inclusive than yourselves. How are you ever going to get along with him in heaven if you cannot accept him here on earth?

Love is the ultimate command of God, and you guys are failing this command big time. You are trying to uphold the laws of God without demonstrating the love of God. Love triumphs over the Law every day: I will have mercy over judgment, love over the law, which is a paraphrase of Jesus words.

How about putting this madness to rest, and just wait until the end and see like Ed said. Maybe he has more credence to what he is saying than all of you put together. After all, why are you pushing for a world of people who have the same denominational affiliation and beliefs as yourself? Why can't Ed and others be different from you? Why must we all be exactly the same?

As long as Ed and others are preaching Jesus as being the only way to God, in which he is, then leave the rest up to God. Don't hate on your brother in Christ just because he is more inclusive than yourselves. If he's wrong, your remarks of hatred won't justify you for not showing him love by embracing him, even though you may never embrace his teachings. He's to be loved by you; it's a command of God to you.

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News Item5/23/05 1:15 PM
Doyle B. Cooper | Hamilton, Al.  Contact via email
Ed,when did Jesus save "the entire world?Before He came to "seek and to save that which was lost"? Or was it after he told about the rich man who"died and in HELL he lift up his eyes"?And just who do you suppose are those who are being cast into "the lake of fire"in Rev.20:14-15?You better wake up,friend,before you wake up in hell. Your spiritual pride(which causes you to reject the Bible for your own thoughts)will not suffice when you stand before the God of all creation.If Jesus has already saved the whole world,
then why did HE give us John 3:16"For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,but have everlasting life."That flatly refutes the idea that "the whole world is already saved",does it not?If not, why not? JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED!!
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News Item5/22/05 10:43 PM
Mike | mex  
Ed,
I'd say that you need to certainly examine yourself to see whether you are in the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ. If you are in so much agreement with Billy you may end up in the same place--you know where. It may not be the place you think either.
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News Item5/22/05 10:29 PM
Anthony  
Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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