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Christian Convert from Islam Beheaded in Somalia

Islamic extremists from Somalia’s rebel Al-Shabaab militants on Friday (Nov. 16) killed a Christian in Somalia’s coastal city of Barawa, accusing him of being a spy and leaving Islam, Christian and Muslim witnesses said.

The extremists beheaded 25-year-old Farhan Haji Mose after monitoring his movements for six months, Christian sources said. Mose drew suspicion when he returned to Barawa, in Somalia’s Lower Shebelle Region, in December 2011 after spending time in Kenya, underground Christians in Somalia told Morning Star News. ...


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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Okay...thanks for the link!
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News Item11/27/12 1:12 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Thinking about it, Christopher, rather than wade through theological arguments from both sides, you may be better off reading and studying the short sermon Mike recommended on John 3:16 by Spurgeon, in which he alludes briefly to the infant situation. You may as well go straight to the best preaching for your edification.
John, I didn't read this sermon yet, but it is where spurgeon actually preached on infant salvation. I will read it later and perhaps we can compare thoughts. I have never really listened to or read anything on that subject, so I am anxious to learn if I am wrong.

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0411.htm

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News Item11/27/12 12:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi John...what did you recommend that I listen to sermons on? Was it original sin? Do you think they might give me a better grasp on the arguments? Thanks.
Thinking about it, Christopher, rather than wade through theological arguments from both sides, you may be better off reading and studying the short sermon Mike recommended on John 3:16 by Spurgeon, in which he alludes briefly to the infant situation. You may as well go straight to the best preaching for your edification.
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News Item11/27/12 11:23 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi John...what did you recommend that I listen to sermons on? Was it original sin? Do you think they might give me a better grasp on the arguments? Thanks.
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News Item11/27/12 5:15 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Mr Spurgeon has a decent sermon on John 3:16.
John 3:16
Thank you Mike. I had that for my spiritual breakfast this morning.

It's amazing how much gold can be packed into a short communion sermon.

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News Item11/26/12 7:36 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Mr Spurgeon has a decent sermon on John 3:16.

John 3:16

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News Item11/26/12 4:42 PM
Doris | Day  Find all comments by Doris
From the Book wrote:
In relation to the original post below "Quicken" (made alive in Greek) the verse is...
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)" And others eg ...
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will."
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
The UNsaved are spiritually DEAD. Therefore the quickening process is related to spiritual life - Life IN Christ.
The body then is the "home" (NB Temple of 'THE' Spirit) of our new empowered spirit 'regenerated' ie born again.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you"
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
But the body is not born again, and so your original statement was plain wrong!!
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News Item11/26/12 2:48 PM
From the Book  Find all comments by From the Book
Doris wrote:
Really?! Is your body born again?
In relation to the original post below "Quicken" (made alive in Greek) the verse is...
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)" And others eg ...
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will."
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

The UNsaved are spiritually DEAD. Therefore the quickening process is related to spiritual life - Life IN Christ.

The body then is the "home" (NB Temple of 'THE' Spirit) of our new empowered spirit 'regenerated' ie born again.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you"
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

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News Item11/26/12 12:15 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
CV wrote:
Chris000
Many people had posted, mostly saying babies are sinless and God can't send them to hell. We have sufficient revelation of who God is. Whether He saves all babies or puts them in hell, we can trust Him.
God tells us when life begins, then tells us ALL men are sinners, then out of pure grace GIVES us the rightiousness - that He REQUIRES of us.
If babies do not sin nor have imputed sin but ONLY sinfull nature (capabilty), they have no need of this rightiosnes of Christ. They are also righteous before the law- haven't broken any. Babies make it to heaven on their own perfect rightiosnes apart from da cross.
Dwayne
What a nice post. I just want to interject that I of course didn't say God "can't" send babies to hell, but I simply said according to scripture He won't. Other than that, I think your comment was right on or "spot" on as John would say. Yes, one of the impossible things is that of course God cannot ever do anything unrighteous or unjust. When we are in heaven, we will simply be in awe at how He worked out His plans for all of mankind.

Max, the Monikers do not represent homosexuals. They are simply symbols that represent a thought; Such as means we agree; means I am confused, etc

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News Item11/26/12 11:22 AM
DuoDecimo  Find all comments by DuoDecimo
I'm listening John..
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News Item11/26/12 11:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Doris wrote:
Do you not believe faith is gift from God?
Sure I believe that faith is a gift from God, but not as you see it obviously.

Any sort of faith is a persuasion, not a commodity. I can give you a kipper for your supper, but I can't give you a faith that the kipper will do you any good.

What I could do is go into the benefits of eating kippers, give you information, tell you I eat kippers every day, all sorts of things, and you may be persuaded by all that.

Faith, as in Eph 2:8 (gr pistis - persuasion) is different to that, because Christianity is not based on intellect or human argument. It includes them, but is not based on them.

Faith in Christ is inevitable when a sinner meets Christ; it is impossible to deny him. And at every conversion, Christ meets the sinner and calls him. Every new babe in Christ is born by the power of God. Every sheep hears the voice of the Shepherd. Every dead sinner is resurrected. Every rebel is subdued. The mind is instructed by God as to the truth of his word. The sinner feels himself a sinner. The awakened sinner wants to repent of sin. The quickened sinner wants to trust himself to Christ and be saved.

God persuades successfully.

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News Item11/26/12 11:00 AM
Doris | Day  Find all comments by Doris
John UK wrote:
1. What makes you think that I believe "faith" is given? Is not faith something that must be exercised by the sinner? How then can I be "made to believe"?
Do you not believe faith is gift from God?

John, do you think that God acts as effectually in sanctification as in conversion. If so, why is it that you still sin?

Or is it that we were dead and needed life, but once we have life God does not care so much - getting to heaven is the goal of salvation and nothing more?

From the Book wrote:
...The Holy Spirit must QUICKEN that is make alive the sinner before the unregenerated body is born again.
Really?! Is your body born again?
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News Item11/26/12 10:28 AM
From the Book  Find all comments by From the Book
Mike wrote:
1) Me neither, but when you combine preselection with the idea that faith is given to believe which cannot be resisted, then yes, you are made to believe.
1) You Arminians always reduce sin to nothing of consequence. AND. Please Note! The Holy Spirit must QUICKEN that is make alive the sinner before the unregenerated body is born again. THEN 'faith" the gift of God provides the sinner with the alternative to a sin dominated heart and mind to receive grace, truth and spiritual life unto salvation.

But I guess Mike you want to do it under human control - OR "Give God permission to save."???

God is sovereign, omnipotent omniscient and creator in my Bible. Sorry to see your god does not have the same divine attributes.

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

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News Item11/26/12 10:01 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
1 Peter 1:2 KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

I wonder if Mike or Dwayne or any other can tell me if I've analysed your belief of this correctly?

1. The foreknowledge of God is what he knows prior to it happening, because he lives outside of time and can know all things before they come to pass.

2. He does not make things come to pass, he is an observer of the acts of men.

3. The sanctifying of the Spirit sets all men apart (from what?) unto obedience of the gospel message, and therefore the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus which brings forgiveness of sins and the gift of eternal life.

4. This work of the Spirit is prevenient grace, and is only given once in a lifetime to each person. Therefore men must take their chance while they have it, or they will be justly condemned by their refusal.

5. God's election is not "his" choice, but the sinner's choice when he responds in faith to the gospel, and God then "chooses" those that were obedient.

Now if I do not have it right, no need to lambast me, just declare what you would amend.

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News Item11/26/12 7:55 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
CV, thanks for the response and the explanation. Although my mind is in fact open, I'm having a very difficult time comprehending that God created some destined for Heaven, but most for Hell in that He chose to call who He would and left the others without a choice. I'm not even sure if I have that right because the other side is very confusing to me.
Everyone else: is it possible that the application of some of the quoted versus were reserved for the Jews alone? Like when God says, "I chose you", etc, etc, etc.
Again, I think some are misunderstanding: I am NOT questioning God on anything that He has clearly put into place. I am questioning an unclear theology that I am closly following the arguments on.
Max, please don't punch John and Frank in the face...ha-ha. I think the crazy faces and the "bros" are used in place of more direct comments during times of frustration.
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News Item11/26/12 7:30 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Related news:

Converts to Christ Beheaded in World

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4

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News Item11/26/12 5:18 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
1) Me neither, but when you combine preselection with the idea that faith is given to believe which cannot be resisted, then yes, you are made to believe.
2) What I said was, Jesus was sad at Jerusalem's unbelief. True or not? If true, why sad? Surely he knew he did not give them faith to believe, right? What do you think of his response? There is no difficulty in the one point bro. The verses are clear, methinks.
3) Stern rebuke.
4) If they were created to be unbelievers, I should think he wouldn't pay them any mind for fulfilling the design.
1. What makes you think that I believe "faith" is given? Is not faith something that must be exercised by the sinner? How then can I be "made to believe"?
2. Mike, I do not need to understand why he would be sad. I know that he "was" sad, and I have no problem with that. It "would" concern me if he "wasn't" sad. Notice there are few weeping preachers today.
3. Aye.
4. Sounds like you should be arguing with a hyperman rather than a whole Bible man, bro. I do not believe that God created anyone to be an unbeliever, especially Adam. But since he is the federal head of the human race, every father is responsible for bringing into the world unbelievers, not God.
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News Item11/26/12 4:05 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
F.bh wrote:
Sin holds dominion over human understanding.
Sin holds dominion over Christ?:

1 Corinthians 2:16
"But we have the mind of Christ."

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News Item11/26/12 2:03 AM
Max  Find all comments by Max
Frank and John uk stop using the sickening homosexual icons in your posts, you really want to be punched in the face don't you.
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News Item11/26/12 1:46 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Chris000

I was having a look at where I last left off and noticed you mentioned me. My dear brother in Christ, I wasn't scolding you for daring to question God. Many people had posted, mostly saying babies are sinless and God can't send them to hell. Maybe. But if God did, would He need to consult with "you"? That's NOT "you" personally, but you & me, all mankind. I am included in that "you".
God bless you (yes YOU) in your walk.

We have sufficient revelation of who God is. Whether He saves all babies or puts them in hell, we can trust Him.

God tells us when life begins, then tells us ALL men are sinners, then out of pure grace GIVES us the rightiousness - that He REQUIRES of us.

If babies do not sin nor have imputed sin but ONLY sinfull nature (capabilty), they have no need of this rightiosnes of Christ. They are also righteous before the law- haven't broken any. Babies make it to heaven on their own perfect rightiosnes apart from da cross.

Dwayne
Bless you for the challenge. You point me to examine more of HIS glory. Bible exalts God, Armins exalt man. Many here are far more mature in faith and have a better grasp of scripture that most of the time is way over my head. Glad they stepped in. Praying that the brethren here kick the "self" right out of you.

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