Article Calling Mormonism a 'Cult' Removed From Billy Graham Website
An article describing Mormonism as a "cult" was removed from the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association's (BGEA) website following Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's visit with Graham last week.
The article described The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as Mormonism, as a group that "teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith." Other groups identified as cults in the article include Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, the Unification Church, Scientologists and Spiritists.
The article was removed sometime after Romney, a Mormon, visited Graham at his Montreat, N.C., home last week. Ken Barun, chief of staff for BGEA, said in an emailed statement on Tuesday that the organization removed the article in order to avoid a debate, though he did not specify whether or not the candidate's visit had anything to do...
Thank you for calming down a little street preacher.
Oh my gosh. Been an ex-Cath for ages. Haven't come across that.
But please listen. God knows why you are angry. And God knows why you hate the Roman Catholic Church.
God wants you to forgive them. To get down on your knees and weep for them who turned His Word, I repeat, HIS WORD, into such a revolting lie. But the people like it that way street preacher.
The protestant Christian's who are going toward the Catholic Church at the moment are going so that God can deal with them all together. He will deal with those who have taught others to spread a false gospel, and He will deal with those who sit silently while false gospels are taught, He will deal with those who refuse to question, and He will deal with those who refused an honest answer. He will deal with those who twisted His Word for the sake of their own pride, wealth, glory or fame ... He will deal with the lot of them - swiftly. Everyone, God is not partial, like men, EVERYONE who preaches a false gospel will recieve the same fate as them.
There will be no "I'm for Calvin, let me through", "I'm for Luther" step aside. There will be no Catholic or Anglican or Pentecostal. There will be people praising God. They are those who repented.
xCatholic2 writes: Chris000 and anyone who is come out of a false religion, you might like the lectures by Charles Clough on Bible Framework Ministries. This is not a Bible Study, but a series of lectures that begins in Genesis and helps you put the Bible into a framework for future study. They are free to download - all 220 something of them. I liked this method because after coming out of a false religion myself the Bible seemed somehow 'disorganised' for me. Bible Framework helps to put it back in some order from where I could begin my own personal study without past doctrine continuing to define my interpretation without me being aware.
Great, thanks! I just went over to the site and it looks I might be able to download the audio files. I listen to my iPod all day so these will be great. The descriptions sound interesting.
Frank wrote: 1. Perhaps, but I have a feeling that you would welcome correction. 2. Yes, they have always been socially moral and nice people. But, that won't work when they stand before the Lord. You and I agree on this. 3. That is the game I was referring to. The Mormon gospel is like that kind of money. 4. No one know Billy's heart except God. I know that when he stands before the Lord, the Lord will welcome him or dismiss him.
1. Always, bro. How can I become perfect (KJV-speak) without it? 2. Sure thing. 3. Yes, a counterfeit of the real thing. 4. It's a good job that reception or dismissal is based upon the atonement, where Christ saved his people, rather than a counterfeit atonement where Christ merely made all salvable.
Chris000 and anyone who is come out of a false religion, you might like the lectures by Charles Clough on Bible Framework Ministries. This is not a Bible Study, but a series of lectures that begins in Genesis and helps you put the Bible into a framework for future study. They are free to download - all 220 something of them. I liked this method because after coming out of a false religion myself the Bible seemed somehow 'disorganised' for me. Bible Framework helps to put it back in some order from where I could begin my own personal study without past doctrine continuing to define my interpretation without me being aware.
1. Perhaps, but I have a feeling that you would welcome correction. The problem with famous people is that they famous.
Proverbs 27:21 As the fining pot for silver, and the furnace for gold; so is a man to his praise. 22 Though you should bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him. 23 Be you diligent to know the state of your flocks, and look well to your herds.
Psalms 141:5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.
2. Yes, they have always been socially moral and nice people. But, that won't work when they stand before the Lord. You and I agree on this.
3. That is the game I was referring to. The Mormon gospel is like that kind of money.
No one know Billy's heart except God. I know that when he stands before the Lord, the Lord will welcome him or dismiss him. I know that I would be willing to die for my Lord, but I don't know what I would be like if I was as influential as he is and has been. Thank God that I will probably never know that aspect of my faith walk.
Frank wrote: 1. Heh John, It sounds like Billy and son are simply christian politicians who go with the wind so to speak. I listened to Franklin on Pierce Morgan the other night and simply shook my head. 2. I always considered Mormonism to be like monopoly money and am amazed that anyone could be confused by them. RCC and some in Pentecostal/Charismatic movements are much better counterfeits, so at least I can understand at least some of the confusion. 3. Do they play monopoly in Wales.
Hey, bro.
1. I quite expect I would do the same, although I'm sure that his preaching of the gospel in the 50's will have had some success in the UK crusades.
2. Maybe, thinking back to my life as a nonChristian, and watching films based in the USA, if ever there was a religious family or group portrayed, carting their waggons across desert places looking for a physical and spiritual home, it was usually Mormons. And I remembered that, even though I knew nothing of their teaching. It just seemed like Christian to me at the time.
3. Ahhhh.....you mean with the streets of London, train stations, jail, pot luck cards and all the rest? Hotels, big money, rents over £2000? Brings back memories, brother.
John UK wrote: It states: "The article described The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as Mormonism, as a group that "teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith." Other groups identified as cults in the article include Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, the Unification Church, Scientologists and Spiritists." Deviate from the biblical message? Too woolly! Mormon doctrine is damnable HERESY!
Heh John, It sounds like Billy and son are simply christian politicians who go with the wind so to speak. I listened to Franklin on Pierce Morgan the other night and simply shook my head.
I always considered Mormonism to be like monopoly money and am amazed that anyone could be confused by them. RCC and some in Pentecostal/Charismatic movements are much better counterfeits, so at least I can understand at least some of the confusion.
I use to be bothered “in an unhealthy way” by the lack of agreement among the brethren, but not anymore. If 10 men disagree on a scripture, that doesn’t mean that 1 couldn’t be correct and 9 wrong. I am responsible to Christ for who I think He is, not who the other 9 think He is. When someone I respect disagrees with me, it simply makes me study and pray more. I call most of our “professing” church Roman/Protestants because they blindly follow someone or say they agree with them when they really don’t and God knows our hearts.
1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Matthew 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
1 Timothy 3:1 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
"The article described The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as Mormonism, as a group that "teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith." Other groups identified as cults in the article include Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, the Unification Church, Scientologists and Spiritists."
Christopher000 wrote: ....do you find yourselves, internally, shaking your heads, no , no, no when your Pastor is speaking during Sunday services?
Hi Christopher -
I have enjoyed your comments and you remind me of myself in many of the things you have said/are asking. I am still a relatively new member in the family of God – and I can remember very well asking and saying some of the same things you have been saying. I especially found your question this morning to be a good one and it was a question that kept me up at night early on in my walk (still sometimes does) – how do you know if the preacher is a real man of God and not just a hireling?
It was/still is amplified by the fact that I am an Ex Catholic who was spoon-fed falsehoods and lies my whole life by the very people that said they knew God and were there to make me right with him. Needless to say – I have been extremely sensitive to what preachers say and it can be downright exhausting to stay alert and basically research a sermon after I hear it to make sure it was agreeable. On one hand I have learned a tremendous amount from this exercise – on the other hand I find myself cooking “Roast Preacher” a little too often sometimes…maybe….still not sure…
Good explanation...thanks. Like you said, especially today, there are many outlets for mind expansion. I understand how you can get something out of a teaching even after having heard it many times before as well. I call that an "a-ha" moment. I know the Word of God itself will never get stale and I'm looking forward to getting into it with new lenses.
Christopher000 wrote: Thanks. Obviously it's nothing that I need to be concerned with but I'm curious to know where the students go once they get to a level where they can teach the teacher or are no longer learning from one in a Pastoral position due to a lifetime of Biblical study, etc. I guess I'm wondering if a Pastor's message is still edifying or if it leaves one wanting because one already knows the message, passage, doctrine, etc, etc, etc, so intimately.
Ah yes, that is another question bro.
The preaching of God's word is a spiritual exercise, not an academic one. Therefore even basic doctrine can be edifying if it is preached in the power of the Spirit. Even the gospel message itself can be electrifying after hearing it hundreds of times. This is a good test of a Spirit-filled man.
But then there are some men who have been taught by God on a deeper level than others, and the hungry soul will always find such on a website like this, with so many to choose from.
The sort I like to listen to are those who have a track record of winning souls, or edifying saints, because that proves to me that God is working by his Spirit, through their ministry, and it is not mere academia.
Thanks. Obviously it's nothing that I need to be concerned with but I'm curious to know where the students go once they get to a level where they can teach the teacher or are no longer learning from one in a Pastoral position due to a lifetime of Biblical study, etc. I guess I'm wondering if a Pastor's message is still edifying or if it leaves one wanting because one already knows the message, passage, doctrine, etc, etc, etc, so intimately.
Christopher000 wrote: Frank, John, and others...off topic but...as much as you all know, aside from the basics, do you find yourselves, internally, shaking your heads, no , no, no when your Pastor is speaking during Sunday services? I'm asking because of the wide range of opinions on almost every biblical topic that all seem to have aside from the very basics.
Christopher, it is a good question, and one which you will need to know the answer yourself, if the current departures from the faith of leading men are anything to go by.
There was a time when teachers taught, and students learnt. But we are living in days when the students have to be so alert and careful in what they hear.
It is especially difficult when the teacher has no confession or statement of faith to which he must adhere, for instance as a denominational pastor. You never know what he is going to teach week by week, maybe for years and years.
It is therefore an advantage if the man believes in and sticks to a statement such as the WCF or 1689 Baptist Confession, because 1. You know what he stands for, and 2. He can be taken to task if he contradicts such confession.
For minor issues there can be disagreements, major issues are very important. That's my opinion.
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The Mormon gospel is like that kind of money.
