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Mitt Romney Visits Rev. Billy Graham: ‘Prayer Is the Most Helpful Thing You Can Do For Me’

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney met Thursday with Rev. Billy Graham, and the aging evangelist pledged to do “all I can” to help the GOP nominee win the presidency.

Romney went to see Graham and his son, the Rev. Franklin Graham, at the elderly evangelist’s mountaintop home in the mountains of western North Carolina.

“Prayer is the most helpful thing you can do for me,” Romney told the 93-year-old Graham.


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
You and I agree on this issue as long as your aren't saying "we can always" tell. There are and will be tares worshipping alongside the wheat and "discernment" is a gift that will enable some to see more clearly than others.
Agreed. There are certain folks, right from the days of Jesus to the present day, who are difficult, sometimes impossible to discern. From Judas Iscariot to a modern charismatic, it is definite that we cannot always tell for a certainty. Some true Christians are very vague in their testimony, some having had such a gentle conversion, that in his early days George Whitefield would not count them as converts. He soon learnt though, having been taught of God, that conversion is not necessarily an explosion in the life. It can be as gentle as a duck feather floating to the ground.

One thing is sure. The Lord has designed an assurance for his people: by his indwelling Spirit bearing testimony; and by reading and being blessed (fed) by his word, thus indicating a life which wasn't there before, followed in time by growth as a newborn into the full stature of an adult.

Michael - good points!

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News Item10/14/12 5:40 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Frank wrote:
You and I agree on this issue as long as your aren't saying "we can always" tell. There are and will be tares worshipping alongside the wheat and "discernment" is a gift that will enable some to see more clearly than others. I also agree with you about the issue of being born again. Many will say if you look to that issue at all then you are guilty of adding to grace alone.
Frank
John UK

Ahhhhhh! Tares among the wheat! This reality so needs the wisdom of God, lest we damage those who are wheat indeed yet immature with so much learning and "groaning", as you, John, put it to do.

At present the best way I can tell in facing this matter is to preach Christ! preach the Word! Pray! Teach people the Scripture, what God Himself actually says NOT the retellings of it to suit lost, fallen, carnal and corrupt men. Give ourselves to genuine soul winning, NOT modern day watered down counterfeits of the Gospel of Christ AND in faith expect God to save some despite the pretenders in our midst.

Far easier to type this, the living of it brings me to singing as a prayer, "I need Thee Every Hour! Every Hour I need Thee!" and making up a lot of words to touch on what I am facing and I am sure others are too.

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News Item10/14/12 5:34 PM
Freeway | SubmitComment  Find all comments by Freeway
The anti-christ spirit will not confess Jesus is come in the flesh.

That is: The anti jesus spirit does not accept God came to man to rescue him from all his problems, the greatest of which is death.

The anti-jesus spirit will believe man is capable of 'becoming god', therefore he will not say, he will be silent, and avoid the matter of Jesus (God the Word) come In Flesh.

Because, the carnal nature of man wants to believe he-man can 'get to God and glory' by obeying certain rituals or fulfilling certain demands. Therefore he believes 'man is capable of becoming like God' either by mystical means or by his own effort.

Then there are those who say "Lord, Lord, whom he confesses truthfully, "I never knew you".

These are those who profess to be believers of Him and His Word, that He was and is God come in the flesh, because flesh could not get anywhere near God and live, even our righteousness being as filthy rags.

But after they take up the offer of the free gift of grace they turn back to making more laws and regulations and become a burden and stumbling block for others.

The anti Jesus spirit believes man can become like God, some by their own effort, others by a super-natural experience.

The spirit of Christ is free, and gives rest from all that.

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News Item10/14/12 5:29 PM
Rothbury News  Find all comments by Rothbury News
KJB Believer wrote:
Don't want to but in but... I say that the anti-Christ will say that Jesus Christ is not God, but he himself is God
Antichrist has already made the claim to be God...read all about it!

'Sitting in the temple of God speaking ex-cathedra the Pope claims to have the infallibility of God Himself. This is the daring pitch and blasphemy of Antichrist in keeping with Paul’s prophecy, ‘Shewing himself to be God.’

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=antichrist_18

The elect won't be deceived by an 'Obama' type with 666 tattoed on his forehead nor some Islamic antichrist, but methinks some are now blinded by the Judas in our midst who APPEARS as a harmless old thick head of his church, he needs to be unveiled

The Antichrist Unveiled

Read the witnesses who were wrong?

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=antichrist_2

http://www.ianpaisley.org/antichrist.asp

Copy and paste above if two of the links do not work and look under 'Antichrist Exalts Himself Above God' & 'A Great Cloud of Witnesses'

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News Item10/14/12 5:18 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Wow Frank, you're cheerful today, what's happened?
we can analyse characters and make a decision based upon observance as to whether or not they are God's people.
If there is no difference noticeable between God's people and the devil's people, it doesn't say much for the transforming work of the Spirit, does it? I would call it blasphemy when some on here say that no-one can tell if a man is born again or not. Usually it is the Presbys who say this, because their whole focus is on election, rather than on a changed life. But Baptists and most other Christian groups, will observe the character and life and testimony of a candidate for baptism or church membership, in order to make a spiritual decision. Plus there is the directly spiritual witness between believers, who are both indwelt with the Spirit.
You and I agree on this issue as long as your aren't saying "we can always" tell. There are and will be tares worshipping alongside the wheat and "discernment" is a gift that will enable some to see more clearly than others. I also agree with you about the issue of being born again. Many will say if you look to that issue at all then you are guilty of adding to grace alone.
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News Item10/14/12 5:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Yes, I agree we should add Adam; for the reason you mentioned. See I told you I take correction well.
Wow Frank, you're cheerful today, what's happened?

But the point I'm making with this exercise, is that we can analyse characters and make a decision based upon observance as to whether or not they are God's people.

If there is no difference noticeable between God's people and the devil's people, it doesn't say much for the transforming work of the Spirit, does it? I would call it blasphemy when some on here say that no-one can tell if a man is born again or not. Usually it is the Presbys who say this, because their whole focus is on election, rather than on a changed life. But Baptists and most other Christian groups, will observe the character and life and testimony of a candidate for baptism or church membership, in order to make a spiritual decision. Plus there is the directly spiritual witness between believers, who are both indwelt with the Spirit.

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News Item10/14/12 4:49 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
I come to the same conclusions Frank, but I would also add Adam, because the Lord introduced the first propitiatory sacrifice for him and his wife, which was a type of Calvary. Yes?
Yes, I agree we should add Adam; for the reason you mentioned. See I told you I take correction well.
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News Item10/14/12 4:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Okay, you win, I will list only the certain ones below. But, you must take time to agree with me or correct me. I really do take correction well and I won't argue at all with your conclusions.
Enoch, Abel, and Abram.
I come to the same conclusions Frank, but I would also add Adam, because the Lord introduced the first propitiatory sacrifice for him and his wife, which was a type of Calvary. Yes?
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News Item10/14/12 4:34 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Ha!!
First time I've laughed today bro.
Well at least you can see what we're up against; he's got bored insulting me over the years, so you'll get it now instead of me.
Now your answers bro. Half saved? A fifth saved? Or are you not sure, and that is your odds? Like 5 to 1 on, or 13 to 8 against?
Okay, you win, I will list only the certain ones below. But, you must take time to agree with me or correct me. I really do take correction well and I won't argue at all with your conclusions.

Enoch, Abel, and Abram.

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News Item10/14/12 4:26 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
As an aside, see I got the "question" fellow mad enough that he got nasty and sarcastic. Your posts "couldn't" do that. Of course that means my post was better than yours.
Ha!!

First time I've laughed today bro.

Well at least you can see what we're up against; he's got bored insulting me over the years, so you'll get it now instead of me.

Now your answers bro. Half saved? A fifth saved? Or are you not sure, and that is your odds? Like 5 to 1 on, or 13 to 8 against?

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News Item10/14/12 4:18 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Not for me?
Ah well, hello Frank. I hope you have a profitable Lord's Day.
I am just off to baptise myself before getting ready and travelling the three miles to a community hall, where there will be a Bible Study in Genesis starting in 75 minutes.
Here's a question to leave you with: were any of the following saved?
Enoch, Adam, Cain, Abel, Abram, Ishmael.
Now are you absolutely sure of the answer? BTW the fact they are not in chronological order is not relevant.
As an aside, see I got the "question" fellow mad enough that he got nasty and sarcastic. Your posts "couldn't" do that. Of course that means my post was better than yours.

Enoch, Adam, Cain, Abel, Abram, Ishmael.

Okay on a scale from 1-10. Enoch saved - a 10. Adam saved - a 5, Cain saved - a 2, Abel saved - a 10, and Ishmael saved a 3.

Now the KJV may show something different, but according to the NASB I should be "spot" on as you UK folks speak.

When the disciples asked Jesus "who sinned, this man or his parents that he should be "born" blind, why didn't Jesus correct their reincarnation or transmigration of souls thought?

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News Item10/14/12 4:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
KJB Believer wrote:
Don't want to but in but... I say that the anti-Christ will say that Jesus Christ is not God, but he himself is God
Quite likely, KJ

But we are talking here about the spirit of antichrist, which was already in the world. Here is Henry's take on it.

"Jesus Christ is to be confessed as the Son of God, the eternal life and Word, that was with the Father from the beginning; as the Son of God that came into, and came in, our human mortal nature, and therein suffered and died at Jerusalem. He who confesses and preaches this, by a mind supernaturally instructed and enlightened therein, does it by the Spirit of God, or God is the author of that illumination. On the contrary, “Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (or Jesus Christ that came in the flesh) is not of God, 1 John 4:3. God has given so much testimony to Jesus Christ, who was lately here in the world, and in the flesh (or in a fleshly body like ours), though now in heaven, that you may be assured that any impulse or pretended inspiration that contradicts this is far from being from heaven and of God.”" Matthew H

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News Item10/14/12 4:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike of N.Y., as I understand it, The Republican National Convention took a lot of time of selling Mormonism. (Barry, Barry who?) Perhaps Mr. Huntsman would have been a much better Mormon to have running for President, if he was going to be a Mormon first? I complained in the last election about Huckabee, because he started mixing in religion (and church action) this turned off other people beside myself. Anyway, A Mormon in the White House? 10 Things Every American Should Know About Mitt Romney. This commentary should cover a lot of ground, Mike.

Gentlemen, I John 4:3 is rendered poorly by the KJV, see URL, Some comments on the verse, is that anyone like the Gnostics say that Christ didn't actually die on the cross, went through previous sufferings etc. in His flesh, these are false teachers and are denying essential Christianity. This is how Albert Barnes looked at it anyway.

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News Item10/14/12 4:06 PM
KJB Believer  Find all comments by KJB Believer
John UK wrote:
How do you read the text?
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4:3 KJV
Think about it.
Don't want to but in but... I say that the anti-Christ will say that Jesus Christ is not God, but he himself is God
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News Item10/14/12 3:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
question wrote:
Again both you and John uk are deviating from the question which verse 3 presents and thus you are not discovering the antichrist flaw.
It is all about "not confessing" rather than "confessing". However, for eg

A Christian confesses that Jesus Christ is "God manifest in the flesh".

A JW confesses that Jesus is the archangel Michael.

A Unitarian confesses that Jehovah is God the Father, period.

Therefore the latter two are antiChrist according to 1 John 4:3

Where's the problem with that?

Perhaps you'd better explain the meaning of the verse if you disagree with me.

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News Item10/14/12 2:55 PM
Christopher000 | RI  Find all comments by Christopher000
I understand your question but can't answer it. Why don't you just give the answer at this point since I have questions concerning discernment myself and this may help.

What "perceived" Catholic heresies?

Also, I think you may have Frank and Johns replys mixed up indicated by the "do you speak English" comment. Either way though, that was a little out of whack.

Thanks

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News Item10/14/12 12:15 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Hello John! This is not for you, but I wanted to say hello anyway!
Not for me?

Ah well, hello Frank. I hope you have a profitable Lord's Day.

I am just off to baptise myself before getting ready and travelling the three miles to a community hall, where there will be a Bible Study in Genesis starting in 75 minutes.

Here's a question to leave you with: were any of the following saved?

Enoch, Adam, Cain, Abel, Abram, Ishmael.

Now are you absolutely sure of the answer? BTW the fact they are not in chronological order is not relevant.

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News Item10/14/12 12:05 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
question wrote:
Hello John! This is not for you, but I wanted to say hello anyway!

Now for the issue at hand. Question, it appears that you are making the scripture in 1 John to have no practical purpose?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It would appear that your question was one that you couldn’t answer, but it also seems like you think it has no practical application? All scripture is written with a purpose in mind and the admonition in 1 John 4:3 seems clear; we are supposed to be use discernment to determine who is a genuine believer and who is not. In my mind, John is speaking to a Christian audience that has been infiltrated by folks who say they are believers, but are not. The word antichrist can mean someone who stands in the place of Christ. So, although I’m not sure whether or not my quick response can withstand the grammar I used, my thoughts were correct. Jesus, the God/man came in the flesh with the purpose of saving sinners and any doctrine that detracts from that; such as conjuring up His body and crucifying Him daily, is the spirit of antichrist.

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News Item10/14/12 10:21 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
question wrote:
Frank thankyou. Since you are the only one who proffered an actual answer to the question I will respond to you.
Dear Sir
If you had reread the text, you would have noticed something important regarding your question. Note again:

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4:3 KJV

The text does not say that the spirit confesses that Jesus Christ is NOT come in the flesh; rather the spirit does NOT confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Now I hope you can see the big difference, and I hope that in future you will read more slowly and see what God is saying.

Even Jim could see the difference!

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