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FRIDAY, APR 29, 2011  |  61 comments
3 men arrested for reading Bible
The arrests happened on Feb. 2, 2011, when the assistant pastor from Calvary Chapel of Hemet and two church elders went to the public property. Mackey then started reading the Bible aloud.

He was arrested less than 30 minutes later, and the two others were arrested a short time after that, even though they had not actually been reading the Bible aloud.

The men believed they had a First Amendment right to free speech and they were standing in a planter in the parking lot and were on public property.

A member of the California Highway Patrol approached Mackey, grabbed his Bible and arrested him. Then Coronado and Flores asked the officer, "What law was he breaking?" ...


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News Item5/12/11 1:00 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
If The Arrestees Were Preaching From THE KING JAMES BIBLE--They Might've Actually WON The Arresting Officers To THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

From My E-mail Entitled "TODAY'S (SATURDAY'S) STREET-PREACHING AT CHICAGO'S 'WATER-TOWER' PLACE":

From:Street-Preacher
Sent:Sat 3/26/11 4:52PM
To:Street-Preacher's Brother

(CONTINUED)

"...Today THE LORD Lead Me To Preach, After Preaching THE 'TWELVE TENETS OF TRUTH', The Various Portions Of THE HOLY SCRIPTURE Which Deals With THE 'LAST DAYS', 'LATTER TIMES' & THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST--VIA THE PRE-TRIBULATION--MILLENIAL RAPTURE & THE APPEARING OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, That Is THE 'MAN OF SIN' AND HIS--THAT IS JESUS CHRIST'S COMING TO 'JUDGE THE QUICK (BORN AGAIN) AND THE DEAD (LOST & NON-BORN-AGAIN) AT HIS (CHRIST'S) APPEARING (AT THE RAPTURE) AND HIS KINGDOM (AT THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON [AFTER THE 7-YEAR TRIBULATION])...

Many Tried To Shut THE WORDS Out By Talking Louder To Their Partners & Dialoguing Friends--A Few Tried To Interrupt Me; But Were Out-'BOMBASTED' & Out-'SHOUTED': As THE HOLY GHOST-SPIRIT GAVE ME A BOLDNESS & STRENGTH AS 'A ROARING LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH' !...

YOU SHOULD'VE BEEN THERE !

[YOU'D BE BLEST !]

Your Brother"

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News Item5/10/11 8:49 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
If The Arrestees Were Preaching From THE KING JAMES BIBLE--They Might've Actually WON The Arresting Officers To THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

**From My E-mail Entitled "TODAY'S (SATURDAY'S) STREET-PREACHING AT CHICAGO'S 'WATER-TOWER' PLACE":

From: Street-Preacher
Sent: Sat 3/26/11 4:52 PM
To: Street-Preacher's Brother

"...As I Was Preaching I Could See Cab Drivers Rolling Down Their Windows To Listen To What That Man (Me) Standing In Front Of The "Castle-Looking-Building" [The Water-Tower Building] Was "Hollering" About.

Many Smiled As I Cried Out THE WORD OF GOD--Many Listened To Intently At WHAT I Was CRYING OUT; That Is, THE WORD OF GOD--Many Truckers Rolled Their Windows Down To Only Be Impacted By THE WORDS That I Was "Bombastically" Preaching, "CRYING OUT" & PROCLAIMING !

As People Walked Down The Sidewalk & Looking At Me; Many Were Very "Stone-Faced" And "Gripped" With The Gravity Of THE WORDS That I Was "CRYING OUT"...

EVEN THE POLICE WOULD ROLL DOWN THEIR WINDOWS FROM THEIR SQUAD CARS AND EITHER LISTEN INTENTLY, SMILED, GAVE ME A "THUMBS-UP" &-OR KEPT ON DRIVING WITH A CHEERFUL LOOK & SMILE ON THEIR FACES !...

YOU SHOULD'VE BEEN THERE !

YOU WOULD'VE BEEN BLESSED !

Your Brother"

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News Item5/2/11 2:51 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, the way some present it, is what make it obnoxious, to people who would be believers sooner rather than later if it was presented correctly.

Religious Jargon Godhead, you and I know what it means but not a person who hasn't been exposed to Christianity won't.

If you bring the subject up, like these men did, I would suggest you bring a printed copy of, Jesus Christ: Full Deity in Humanity to explain it to them. As the sermon, The Roman Road explains don't go down various rabbit trails, and stay the course of pointing what salvation is not if Evolution is correct or not.

Then these gentlemen used this verse,

Matthew 27
25 And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children!"---NASB.

Tell me please, if a Jew didn't bring that verse up first, how does that start a conversation about the saving grace of Christ? Again, one could go to Romans to explain that both Jew and Gentile are unsaved, but that is going to take a long, drawn-out explanation.

Yes, the Word of God is odious to the perishing, but the presenter shouldn't be

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News Item5/1/11 4:27 PM
Conventicles  Find all comments by Conventicles
What makes the gospel obnoxious to those that do not find it offensive? I found it most worthy of consideration that men and women together with their children would risk their property and lives to hear it, during the killing times in Scotland, yet those preaching by the power of the Spirit still assumed not all their hearers were even then yet converted.
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News Item5/1/11 3:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, first of all, they may have been using something other than the AV, when I did here the word "Godhead" used, perhaps they were using the KJV 21st Century or Amer. KJV. They could use an official Catholic Bible for that matter to get the Word across, but as the interpreters of the AV themselves in support of their own translations (and improvements to the AV as well, said,

I Corinthians 14
8 For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.---NASB

It is unnecessary jargon I'm commenting on, and that may come from any version.
They had what appeared to me a disorganized message, and they really should listen to Gil's sermon,The Roman Road or read what is basically its transcript, Evangelism: Treading the Roman Road. So, they can hone their message so it cuts straight and sharp.
The Gospel is odious to those who are perishing, but no reason to make it obnoxious to those who aren't

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News Item5/1/11 7:01 AM
Conventicles  Find all comments by Conventicles
westcoast reader wrote:
Care to take a poke at explaining any of what you wrote Convent...?
westcoast reader,

In 1 Cor. 5 Paul is dealing with sin inside the visible church; as the institution of the Church. He states: "12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person." Here he is addressing what Peter states 1Peter 4:7 judgment begins at the house of God. How does God judge those who are without? Is it not by the Civil Magistrate? Romans 13:3-5

I grant that both these institutions spoken of by Paul, as a true Jew and servant of Jesus Christ were better understood by him, then Gentile Christians in America. Paul had no difficulty understanding the OT Scripture in perfect harmony with the NT teaching of Christ; that he obtained from the Holy Spirit. The Spirit both giving and making use of his knowledge of the OT and then applying it to the NT situation, as an apostle given by Christ to his Church.

This is just a small piece of the puzzle but necessary to set some Scriptural guide lines concerning the place of the two institutions as regards these 'street preachers' usurpation.

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News Item5/1/11 4:45 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Jim
Please don't let your prejudice against the KJV bind you from thanking God that His Word is being spoken. Sinners under the conviction of the Holy Spirit aren't going to complain when God brings them to Salvation those preaching to them didn't you the NASB.
Thank you Michael for these generous words.

And also it is only the KJV-Onlyist cultists who would ever dare grumble about anyone being converted under the ministry of a modern version, unlike the genuine KJV lovers who are peaceable and non-militant, and who uphold their Bible as preserved, inerrant and inspired, and cannot be bettered by any current translation, yet believing that it can be improved upon in terms of revision concerning language, yet also believing that no-one will ever attempt such a new revision afore the second advent of Christ.

So the moral of the story is, if you want the best Bible possible, get a KJV and spend time with it, learning its ways and words, in the same way that a budding artist must learn the various characteristics of pigments if he wishes to enjoy painting with them.

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News Item4/30/11 3:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John, U.K, unfortunately it was the AV they were using, they used terms such as Godhead, which even the 1913 Webster dictionary, doesn't get right!
Jim, before my conversion, if ever I did hear the words "the grace of God", and was asked by someone what I thought those words meant, I would have replied, "God moves delicately, like a swan?"

You see, Jim, the outsider who knows nothing about biblical terms, needs teaching an awful lot, even after his conversion. It matters nothing if the word is "propitiation" or "atoning sacrifice", it will still need explaining, for these are deep theological terms.

If you imagine that you can read a few verses from the Bible to the lost sinner, and that he will understand them, let me tell you that you are way off the mark. I suggest that you read Spurgeon on Street Preaching, and see what he says about it.

What is needed is NOT another new version of the Bible.

What is needed is a WORK OF GOD in the heart of the sinner. NOTHING ELSE will do the job. But once God begins a work, nothing will stop it, not even the version being used.

I am not into intellectual Christianity like you. It reeks to much of modern day anglicanism.

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News Item4/30/11 3:12 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John, U.K, unfortunately it was the AV they were using,
Jim
Please don't let your prejudice against the KJV bind you from thanking God that His Word is being spoken. Sinners under the conviction of the Holy Spirit aren't going to complain when God brings them to Salvation those preaching to them didn't you the NASB.
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News Item4/30/11 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John, U.K, unfortunately it was the AV they were using, they used terms such as Godhead, which even the 1913 Webster dictionary, doesn't get right! Archaic Language of the KJV: 419 examples!.

They were preaching to a captive audience, which was in bad taste, at the very least, I would suggest people read what Spurgeon said about the proper techniques of street preaching, which he was for, by the way, Street Preaching -- C. H. Spurgeon.

The Word is going to offend the unsaved automatically, but giving even more irritation in mishandling it, can't be praised.

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News Item4/30/11 1:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Unbelievable
That men who care about the salvation of the lost are arrested in our apostate antichrist amerika? No.
But over the apathy we (myself included too many times) have over going into all the world and preaching the gospel to all creation. Some of the posts here were less than edifying.
I don't know about you all but I think I need to humble myself before the Lord that He would change me and put me so on fire for Him all excuses are burned up and I might begin to be like those men spoken of in Acts who turned the world upside down for His sake.
You and me both Michael. And if our fellow saints would also have such an attitude concerning the great commission, including intercessory prayer and support for those already engaged in the warfare, the Christian faith would no doubt experience a renewal of interest among the people. Why should sinners take an unknown message seriously? It is impossible to do otherwise. It is a message which needs to be made known all over the world, and there are enough professing Christians to accomplish it.
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News Item4/30/11 9:38 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Conventicles wrote:
It appears that this staged video had an agenda.
CON
Unbelievable

Street Preachers have been noticing an increased need to video tape their preaching to protect them from false accusations in court. One of the main reasons for this is that many "so called Christians" will abandon them as too conroversial and outright betray them to the civil authorities and seek to sabotage their efforts supposedly on the basis of someone's systematic theology and reasonsing to disregard and excuse themselves from preaching the gospel to all Creation.

Rob Bell's 'Bull Horn' on www.youtube.com is an example of someone who doesn't want sinners confronted with their sin, and the judgment of God

But the video response to that "Bullwhip Guy" is an excellent satrical rebutal to that. All of us just might want to humbly prayerfully lay this matter before the Lord and watch these videos and let the Spirit lead us to the passages of the Word of God that address the Great Commission and consider just where our heart is.

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News Item4/30/11 8:43 AM
Conventicles  Find all comments by Conventicles
westcoast reader wrote:
Care to take a poke at explaining any of what you wrote Convent...?
westcoast reader,

I'd like to try to explain, but am pressed for time just now. I will attempt to later today if day goes as planned? But know that to understand something in one's own mind and then to be able to communicate that to others would be greatly dependent on God's help.

Thanks for your well balanced proof texts; they are a very definitely part of the two-fold answer.

Later, D.V.

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News Item4/30/11 7:17 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Unbelievable

That men who care about the salvation of the lost are arrested in our apostate antichrist amerika? No.

But over the apathy we (myself included too many times) have over going into all the world and preaching the gospel to all creation. Some of the posts here were less than edifying.

I don't know about you all but I think I need to humble myself before the Lord that He would change me and put me so on fire for Him all excuses are burned up and I might begin to be like those men spoken of in Acts who turned the world upside down for His sake.

8

News Item4/29/11 10:38 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
John 14:21

"And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments."
Deut 5:10

Praying for the persecuted.

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News Item4/29/11 8:56 PM
westcoast reader | westcoast  Find all comments by westcoast reader
Conventicles wrote:
... Is it due to the confusion that is perpetuated by an apostate church under a deist Constitution?
Care to take a poke at explaining any of what you wrote Convent...?

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17)

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News Item4/29/11 4:56 PM
Conventicles  Find all comments by Conventicles
Because Church and State are separate institutions, they have different culpability and accountability before Almighty God. This video shows a violation of God's moral law. Is it due to the confusion that is perpetuated by an apostate church under a deist Constitution? It appears that this staged video had an agenda. Was it accomplished? That depends on whether you understand that the law of both the Old and New Testament Scriptures, has a role to play in the ordering of any nation both in Church and State and why that is.
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News Item4/29/11 3:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Merlow wrote:
Jim
You are correct the reading of modern versions is a violation of freedom of speech. good observation.
Very astute comment - too true.
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News Item4/29/11 2:56 PM
Merlow  Find all comments by Merlow
Jim Lincoln wrote:
It depends which Bible they were using and the verses they were reading. Since parts of the KJV contains swear words, this might be considered a public nuisance, at the least.

If they were reading parts of decent Bibles, well, yes, then it would be a violation of Freedom of Speech.

Jim
You are correct the reading of modern versions is a violation of freedom of speech. good observation.
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News Item4/29/11 2:28 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
It depends which Bible they were using and the verses they were reading. Since parts of the KJV contains swear words, this might be considered a public nuisance, at the least.
If they were reading parts of decent Bibles, well, yes, then it would be a violation of Freedom of Speech.
yawn
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