Billy Graham still preaches the Gospel of inclusion
MONTREAT, N.C. â Every morning the worldâs most famous evangelist walks slowly and carefully up the narrow road twisting behind his log cabin. He sits on an iron bench, set in a clearing amid the pines where a tiny stream plunges down the ridge to form an icy pool far below.
Here, Billy Graham, 86 and every day more frail, prays, âHelp me, Lord.â Here, he practices his voice, a habit of 40 years, âlike an opera singer does the scales. Yes. Yes. Yes. No. No. No.â
Heâs warming up for his 417th crusade â three nights of Christian testimony and music in New York, culminating in his inimitable call to come forward to God. The event in late June will be his first appearance in the city since he packed Central Park in 1991.
Today, as many fundamentalists and âtraditionalistsâ refuse to share podiums with people who donât share their vision of salvation, Graham opens his events to people of every...
Chill, though you may never have made those claims but you defend those who do!
Besides my adress was not to you personally but to the whole universalist crowd!
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Don't anyone combat the rhetoric that Anthony says any longer. This will shut him down!
Hey Anthony, we have decided to let you off the hook since we realize that you are demanding to be left out in the field with the rams.
We have tried to work with you and lovingly guide you back into the sheepfold, but your bucking horns of rhetoric just won't allow you to re-enter the fold of knowledge. So we must leave you to yourself.
We love you, we do. But the question is do you love us? God already knows the truth. And if you do love us, boy you have a hellified way of demonstrating your love.
Stay wrapped in the love of God, and we will see you in Heaven. Yes, in Heaven. Just imagine it: me, you, Ed, Got your back, Chill, and all the other people you have condemned to Hell with God's words of Love. But we don't have a problem with fellowshipping with you and all the other Pharisees who murdered Jesus, His disciples, and the countless others throughout history. In fact, I hope that you and I will be neighbors. What you say, brother?
Any how, it was a trial dealing with you. I wish however that I would have left this conversation with something of substance, but you failed miserably at accomplishing that, unlike Preacher Graham, Ed, Chill, and all the others.
"You preach that those who live live after the flesh shall not die, but shall surely have eternal life, Such persons are dead, whilst they live, and shall die a second or an eternal death!"
I never stated such a claim
Anthony God is not mocked,you will reap what you sow.
Anthony wrote: "To preach that all men are saved be they ungodly as they will, is certainly to turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness!"
"To tell men that all shall be eternally well with them, when they are on the broad road to destruction, is wickedness, and is to hate thy neighbour!"
Once again for the record,i never made such a claim
Anthony wrote: "Your doctrine is the opposite of Jesus Christ's who constantly warned men of the danger of eternal hell fire, for the ungodly!"
What exactly is my doctrine?
I humble myself at the foot of the cross,Jesus is the Word,and the Word became Flesh and Dwelt among us.Jesus is GOD!Can you say that?Yes he is also the only BEGOTTEN Son of God.Jesus came and fulfilled the Law and the Prophets,by doing so he said it was finished on the cross.
Through him we have peace with God the Father.Jesus paid a price he didnt owe,and I recieve a gift I don't deserve.The Just will live by faith.
Got your back Ed, seeing you are the one that denys God's words and teaches men so, seeing you speak falsely in the name of the Lord, You are the wolf sir not me!
You have only replied with unfounded slander!
Psa 109:2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
Psa 52:4 Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue. Psa 52:5 God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
REV 21:8 BUT THE FEARFUL, AND UNBELIEVING, AND THE ABOMINABLE, AND MURDERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND SORCERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.
GAL 6:7 BE NOT DECEIVED; GOD IS NOT MOCKED: FOR WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWETH, THAT SHALL HE ALSO REAP. GAL 6:8 FOR HE THAT SOWETH TO HIS FLESH SHALL OF THE FLESH REAP CORRUPTION; BUT HE THAT SOWETH TO THE SPIRIT SHALL OF THE SPIRIT REAP LIFE EVERLASTING.
MAT 7:22 MANY WILL SAY TO ME IN THAT DAY, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? MAT 7:23 AND THEN WILL I PROFESS UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.
Pro 29:5 A man that flattereth his neighbour spreadeth a net for his feet.
You flatter the multitude of ungodly who are on the broad way to destruction, that they shall recieve eternal life.
Likely you will reply with utter foolishness, as you have already done here so many times!
Pro 15:2 The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.
Joh 3:36 ....he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Those who profess to know God, but do not have obedient faith, faith that that obeys God's commandments, they are truly liars!
All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire which burns with brimstone!
Anthony, go to bed and maybe you will learn how to fight your own personal battles with your own weapons instead of using JESUS' words as your bull-horns. For you to be a believer, you sure buck like an unbeliever. You are definitely in need of being taught to behave as a lamb and deal with your uncontrollable religious piety that has absolutely no resemblance of God or Christ, even though you mask what you say in His words. In fact, you are perhaps one that the bible speaks of as those who dress up in sheep's clothing and yet are wolves inwardly. Yea, I think I finally figured you out. It took a minute, but I think I got it. So stop hiding in those clothing, or stop behaving out of character, sheep. Or goat? Well, by the way that you blabber your lips with the proper words of Scripture, though used in the wrong text and with a hateful retort, and yet you have no consciousness of what you are saying, your heart being so far displaced from your lips, you are as Jesus said, "your heart is in one condition, but yet being camoflauged by the unconscious words of your uncontrollable tongue in between your ever-flowing lips. Sad situation we have here brothers. Very sad.!
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, SHALL BE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Your doctrine is the opposite of Jesus Christ's who constantly warned men of the danger of eternal hell fire, for the ungodly!
Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, THAT THOU SHALT ESCAPE THE JUDGMENT OF GOD? Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart TREASUREST UP UNTO THYSELF WRATH AGAINST THE DAY OF WRATH AND REVELATION OF THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF GOD; Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: ROM 2:8 BUT UNTO THEM THAT ARE CONTENTIOUS, AND DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, BUT OBEY UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, INDIGNATION AND WRATH, ROM 2:9 TRIBULATION AND ANGUISH, UPON EVERY SOUL OF MAN THAT DOETH EVIL, OF THE JEW FIRST, AND ALSO OF THE GENTILE;
Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I TELL YOU BEFORE, AS I HAVE ALSO TOLD YOU IN TIME PAST, THAT THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Chill, you are very welcome. You used one of my favorite verses in situations as this, which is Matthew 23:15. Matthew 23:13 says, âBut woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in." - This describes what these so-called gake-keepers are doing, when in fact they are actually aligning themselves to be nothing more than gate-slayers, and they don't even realize it.
Also, you described me all so well, along with those here who are slandering everyone who dares to believe the greatness of God's love and forgiveness. I was one who persecuted everyone who did not line with what I thought was God. I was a ring leader of judging people and sending them to Hell, especially the catholics, protestants, and the like. Boy was I stupid in my shallow thinking. I really thought I was doing the right. I feel somewhat sorry for these guys who are in the boat I was once in. But just like both of us, they will one day have to wake up to the reality that they are just as messed up as anyone they are standing in judgment against. They will one day be knocked off their high horse of pride and elitism. Then they'll have to confess the Lordship of LOVE. :nod
The main reason I responded to anthony was the fact that I use to be Just like him,a few years ago I dogged the Catholic church and just about every other denomination out there.The Lord has humbled me since then,and I will not go back to the Judgemental/Pharisee type of attitude i use to have.
All it did was subconsciously make me feel like i was better than everyone else.Jesus commands us to become servants to one another with love.
Jesus also said people will know we are his deciples because we will have love for one another.
1Jo 4:17 Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world. 1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath punishment; and he that feareth is not made perfect in love. 1Jo 4:19 We love, because he first loved us. 1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen. 1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.
Anthony said: "Prove your point from the scriptures, not from vain words!" Some of you act like nobody else can read the bible.
Romans 2 "Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things. Rom 2:2 And we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against them that practise such things. Rom 2:3 And reckonest thou this, O man, who judgest them that practise such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Rom 2:5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is become so, ye make him twofold more a son of hell than yourselves.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you. Mat 7:3
People, why must you fight for the so-called truth? Jesus never told you to do that. You're doing that on your own. What JESUS said was to preach the Gospel that He preached, which is surely not what you are doing. You're preaching convictions that were passed down to you from others. Aren't you? Well, I figured you would't be honest about it. The only thing that the bible tells us to fight and defend are the good fight of faith and defend our OWN minds from the attacks of our adversary, who happens to be satan and not Ed or those in his defense. So where do you get off consuming your brother as though you are doing works of piety for the Lord. Don't you know God enough to know that He's big enough to take care of Himself? Don't you know that God is the avenger and not yourselves? It's obvious that you guys can't even defend your own minds from traditions of men, and yet you're trying to defend God? That's not at all wise of you. Why don't you boys dust your feet of your babblings? Show yourselves to be as wise as Ed by dusting your feet of the matter and go save souls? At least the Graham guy is out there winning souls instead of sitting on his butt dogging out everyone who's not sitting down. Do something close to Graham and maybe you can be discussed also. Yea
Anthony, Amen brother. By the Grace of God truth must be held on to and emotional rants about everyone being saved, there not being literal hell, etc must be fought with holy scriptures which are sharper than any two-edged sword. All these guys who are looking at this from an emotional standpoint (stop attacking Ed, he means well by pushing false doctrine) err.
Brethren it does not matter that you mean well, The Word of God and the precious scriptures will judge all.
Anthony does not sin by pointing out heresy and lies. It is more important, in fact essential, that we fight for the eternal truths of Jesus Christ than to spare men's feelings. If it is not scripture it is a lie and lies must be fought until we have no fight left in us.....To God be the Glory!!!! By His Grace, SA
Ed,got your back Ed,Chill, I see a lot of Bible comming from one side of these debates,but it is not your side is it?Wonder why that is?And I have a question for you:"How many catholics and other false religionists like yourselves have Uncle Billy & his crowd of universalists won to faith in Jesus?AND since when is quoting scripture"HATE"? And how about all your hypocritical"love"?You have called people "fools"and implied ignorance and lack of ability to learn anything.Seems to me you should apply your own judgements to yourselves. And as for Billy G.teaching that Jesus is the only way to heaven,try this quote"We have to respect other peoples ways to God."(Billy G.in an interview about 2000)And"Hell is just being separated from God."Well,every Christ rejector is separated from God and it doesnt seem to be bothering them like the rich fool in hell in Luke 16 II Jn.9-11 says "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,hath not God.He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,he hath both the Father and the Son.If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine,recieve him not into your house,neither bid him God speed:For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
I'm a consistent advocate for discussing topics on this site in a Christian, loving way. Often times we don't.
In this case, I believe Anthony is well within his Christ-like duty to rebuke and admonish Ed and his lackeys with a righteous anger. Ed's persistent monologue and disregard for scripture paints the picture of too many people I know. They are a very "spiritual" people, but have no roots.
On Graham: I have never been impressed by his speaking abilities. These pleas to "include" require me to look into his teaching a little more.
I am choosing to remain Catholic because I would not feel comfortable attending worship services in an Evangelical Protestant Church because in Evangelical Protestant Churches everybody is expected to engage in interpersonal communication with individuals face to face and I am not that comfortable engaging in interpersonal communication with individuals face to face. I would rather just sit in the back of the church and remain incognito and listen to what is going on and pray at the appropriate times. In the Catholic Church I just participate in the scriptural parts of the Mass and remain silent during the unscripturl parts of the Mass.