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Choice News TUESDAY, JAN 28, 2014  |  43 comments  |  1 commentary
Creationist Says Christian Evolutionists Overlook Biblical Authority
Creation Museum CEO and President Ken Ham has written a blog post, blasting a Christian academic for overlooking Biblical authority in an attempt to explain the long lifespans of people mentioned in the Genesis 5 and 11 genealogies.

Ham, the founder of the apologetics ministry Answers in Genesis, supports a literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis, and maintains that compromising God's Word in Genesis makes the Bible untrustworthy.

To make his point, Ham cites the example of an article written by Jim Stump, a PhD in philosophy from Boston University and the Content Manager at BioLogos, a group that promotes evolutionary beliefs. ...


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News Item1/29/14 1:25 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
deeper wrote:
"We may go back, if we might use such strange words, whole eternities, and yet never arrive at the beginning. (sermon on Election)
Yeah a beginning to eternity...now there's a thought. How absurd! Eternity would not be eternity if there was a beginning to it!

There is nothing deeeeeep about this. It is a plain and simple contradiction.

It's like trying to find a beginning and end to a circle- plain dumb to even think about it. But to someone of your intellectual stature I can understand why it's so deeeep!

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News Item1/29/14 11:58 AM
SF from TX  Find all comments by SF from TX
I bet these "Christians" that doubt a literal 6day creation believe that a virgin had a baby....
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News Item1/29/14 10:49 AM
deeper  Find all comments by deeper
Observer wrote:
I think we know which beginning this is referring to. Can you think of a beginning before this beginning?
The God which I worship who wrote the Scriptures lived in eternity BEFORE He created creation.
God in eternity knew of His creation before He brought it into being. That is where election and incidentally the Covenant had their beginnings. In the mind of God. My God thinks before He acts. Good advice for some posters.

"God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" 2Thes2

"We may go back, if we might use such strange words, whole eternities, and yet never arrive at the beginning. Our wing might be tired, our imagination would die away; could it outstrip the lightnings flashing in majesty, power, and rapidity, it would soon weary itself ere it could get to the beginning. But God from the beginning chose his people; when the unnavigated ether was yet unfanned by the wing of a single angel, when space was shoreless, or else unborn when universal silence reigned, and not a voice or whisper shocked the solemnity of silence when there was no being and no motion, no time, and nought but God himself" CHS (sermon on Election)

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News Item1/29/14 8:10 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Christopher000 wrote:
Always interesting how evolution just came to a roaring halt and how some wise guy cave man gathered up and hid all of the missing links to mess with us.
Amazing how non intelligence created such complexity, the eye, the brain, the nervous system, the not so simple cell, and starting from what? A boiling puddle of toxic chemicals that exploded? And the chemicals came from where? The Earth they were boiling on came from where? Silliness.
To the simplest child of God, these things are obvious. But the darkened mind of an unconverted person considers it foolishness. God's word tells us to expect this, so no surprises here. It is easier for the unconverted to believe the silliest things and then think that we're all stupid and weird! Wow!
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News Item1/29/14 7:24 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Always interesting how evolution just came to a roaring halt and how some wise guy cave man gathered up and hid all of the missing links to mess with us.
Amazing how non intelligence created such complexity, the eye, the brain, the nervous system, the not so simple cell, and starting from what? A boiling puddle of toxic chemicals that exploded? And the chemicals came from where? The Earth they were boiling on came from where? Silliness.
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News Item1/28/14 11:46 PM
Jamie higdon | Follower of Christ Jesus  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jamie higdon
Our focus is Christ. God will reveal these things:"then I will know even as I am known".
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News Item1/28/14 7:35 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
deeper wrote:
Spurgeon is talking about election from eternity and eternity is something the human mind cannot perceive of. "Beginning" therefore is something we cannot comprehend. But this is where election starts.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth...

I think we know which beginning this is referring to. Can you think of a beginning before this beginning? Then the beginning would not have been the beginning. So why try and contort the Scriptures to your view?

Eternity is not a beginning silly!

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News Item1/28/14 4:53 PM
deeper  Find all comments by deeper
quotes wrote:
C.H. Spurgeon (1855 Sermon - Election)
What Spurgeon is doing here is rejecting evolutionary theory as pure human speculation from ignorance.

The sermon at that point begins quote;
"III Then thirdly This Election is ETERNAL. "God hath from the beginning chosen us to eternal life." Can any man tell me when the beginning was? Years ago we thought the beginning of this world was when Adam came upon it ......"

Spurgeon is talking about election from eternity and eternity is something the human mind cannot perceive of. "Beginning" therefore is something we cannot comprehend. But this is where election starts.

Any "speculation" Spurgeon might use is the same as evolutionary speculation - NOT science and NOT truth. Spurgeon would not use the speculations of ignorant blind reprobates to validate eternity or creation, Eph 4:18 refers.

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News Item1/28/14 4:35 PM
JSC | Illinois  Find all comments by JSC
Plkis

I appreciate your stab at it but I was not talking about evolution. I think most of us presuppose evolution and billions of years go hand and hand. I do not, but must confess evolution AS THE EVOLUTIONIST DEFINE IT requires billions of years.

My question was directly related to time: young universe, old universe. Does the hebrew word day in Gen 1 mean something different for some mysterious reason, than it does everywhere else in scripture? As I understand it they questioned that and did so on the basis of modern science. Time not evolution vs creation

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News Item1/28/14 3:55 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Frank wrote:
I am a confirmed and convinced YECist and not an OECist. I could care less if Spurgeon thought differently or if some theistic evolutionist thinks differently. If the Genesis account is not to be taken literally, then what stops us from discounting everything else. I wonder what Moses thought about the age of the earth and life when he penned Genesis.
I'll take scripture over science or over any theologian any day.
Just shows we need always be discerning Bereans.
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News Item1/28/14 3:49 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Frank wrote:
I am a confirmed and convinced YECist and not an OECist. I could care less if Spurgeon thought differently or if some theistic evolutionist thinks differently. If the Genesis account is not to be taken literally, then what stops us from discounting everything else. I wonder what Moses thought about the age of the earth and life when he penned Genesis.
I'll take scripture over science or over any theologian any day.
Well said, bro!
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News Item1/28/14 3:36 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
Is there reason to suppose Spurgeon was right in everything he said? Races of creatures who died before death was introduced? P-Shaw
I am a confirmed and convinced YECist and not an OECist. I could care less if Spurgeon thought differently or if some theistic evolutionist thinks differently. If the Genesis account is not to be taken literally, then what stops us from discounting everything else. I wonder what Moses thought about the age of the earth and life when he penned Genesis.

I'll take scripture over science or over any theologian any day.

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News Item1/28/14 3:24 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
quotes wrote:
"Can any man tell me when the beginning was? Years ago we thought the beginning of this world was when Adam came upon it; but we have discovered that thousands of years before that God was preparing chaotic matter to make it a fit abode for man, putting races of creatures upon it, who might die and leave behind the marks of his handiwork and marvellous skill, before he tried his hand on man."
C.H. Spurgeon (1855 Sermon - Election)
"We know not how remote the period of the creation of this globe may be‚ÄĒcertainly many millions of years before the time of Adam. Our planet has passed through various stages of existence, and different kinds of creatures have lived on its surface, all of which have been fashioned by God. But before that era came, wherein man should be its principal tenant and monarch, the Creator gave up the world to confusion."
C.H. Spurgeon (Sermon - The power of the Holy Ghost)
"Even though he strongly opposed evolution, he evidently did not think that ‚Äúdeath before the fall‚ÄĚ is a problem for a correct understanding of the Bible and redemptive history."
Is there reason to suppose Spurgeon was right in everything he said? Races of creatures who died before death was introduced? P-Shaw
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News Item1/28/14 3:10 PM
quotes  Find all comments by quotes
"Can any man tell me when the beginning was? Years ago we thought the beginning of this world was when Adam came upon it; but we have discovered that thousands of years before that God was preparing chaotic matter to make it a fit abode for man, putting races of creatures upon it, who might die and leave behind the marks of his handiwork and marvellous skill, before he tried his hand on man."
C.H. Spurgeon (1855 Sermon - Election)

"We know not how remote the period of the creation of this globe may be‚ÄĒcertainly many millions of years before the time of Adam. Our planet has passed through various stages of existence, and different kinds of creatures have lived on its surface, all of which have been fashioned by God. But before that era came, wherein man should be its principal tenant and monarch, the Creator gave up the world to confusion."
C.H. Spurgeon (Sermon - The power of the Holy Ghost)

"Even though he strongly opposed evolution, he evidently did not think that ‚Äúdeath before the fall‚ÄĚ is a problem for a correct understanding of the Bible and redemptive history."

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News Item1/28/14 2:13 PM
Forgle  Find all comments by Forgle
John for JESUS wrote:
Maybe the earth is 6000 years old, maybe alittle older. The only reason to believe it is a billion years old is to give evolution enough time to take place. Two big problems, the world isn't a billion years old and evolution doesn't happen.
In his book Death of Death, John Owen remarks that the earth is 5500 years old and he wrote in the 17th century. Owen being a Puritan must be right, musn't he.
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News Item1/28/14 1:41 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Maybe the earth is 6000 years old, maybe alittle older. The only reason to believe it is a billion years old is to give evolution enough time to take place. Two big problems, the world isn't a billion years old and evolution doesn't happen.
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News Item1/28/14 1:34 PM
Dave wanting Ken to be honest | United States  Find all comments by Dave wanting Ken to be honest
Ken Ham has yet to publicly to apologize for teaching that the creation is only c. 6000 years old (teaching that the speed of light had changed, etc), when creation scientists have definitively demonstrated otherwise--even the lead story in Ken's own "Answers Research Journal" in 2011 (pages 1-9): See http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v4/n1/distant-starlight-cosmology

Ken is doing a disservice to the church "blasting" people, as the article says, while not being honest about the serious errors he's taught us all for years.

By the way, it's not just Ken Ham's journals that have published on the old age of creation. There have been many articles in the last 10 years in a number of journals. For example, check out http://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j19_3/j19_3_91-95.pdf

Please, AiG, all we want is an honest admission of the grave Biblical interpretation errors you've been teaching us in light of your own published research.

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News Item1/28/14 12:58 PM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Mjh...
There is no evidence for evolution or man's cooperation with salvation. Jesus is the Savior and Creator.
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News Item1/28/14 11:53 AM
Mjh  Find all comments by Mjh
John for JESUS wrote:
Warfield should have been more frustrated by the lack of evidence for evolution. No doubt it is harder to believe the truth of Genesis and a literal six days creation because many will mock you for it.
John for Free willism
Talking about lack of evidence there is a powerful Biblical and distinct lack of evidence for human input into mans cooperation with God unto salvation. But apparently there are those who believe in it such as Roman Catholics and Arminians.
Perhaps it is not so much as a lack of evidence - as a lack of correct exegesis.
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News Item1/28/14 11:45 AM
John for JESUS | ATL  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Warfield should have been more frustrated by the lack of evidence for evolution. No doubt it is harder to believe the truth of Genesis and a literal six days creation because many will mock you for it.
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