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John MacArthur vs. Mark Driscoll: Megachurch pastors clash over charismatic theology
Megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll claims that his books were confiscated at the Strange Fire conference put on by another megachurch pastor John MacArthur.

Driscoll, who pastors Mars Hill Church in Seattle, is a reformed pastor who is more open to charismatic theology. MacArthur, who pastors Grace Community Church in southern California and has been named in the top 10 most influential pastors in a survey by LifeWay Research, has long criticized the charismatic movement, calling it “a farce and a scam.” ...


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CS  Find all comments by CS
There is no such thing as a BORN AGAIN person remaining in an blasphemous satanic religion!!!!
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News Item10/25/13 4:47 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Cooper wrote:
What is Easy Believism?
There is no such thing as easy believism. That is just a term made up by some Evangelical Protestants who don't believe there is only one requirement for salvation namely to become Born Again by trusting in Jesus as Savior. Those Evangelical Protestants believe that one has to trust in Jesus as Savior, leave a Non Evangelical church and unite with an Evangelical Protestant Church.
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News Item10/25/13 3:24 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Cooper wrote:
What is Easy Believism?
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Wow, do the dispensationistically inclined REALLY believe such?

Oh boy!

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News Item10/25/13 2:47 PM
Cooper  Find all comments by Cooper
CV wrote:
I am a proponent of easy believism because that's all you come in with
What is Easy Believism?

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SteveR wrote:
We preach because thats what we were created for
Baloney. Read the Bible Steve.

Clearly you disagree with Paul;
1Cor 12:28 And **GOD HATH SET SOME** in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 **ARE ALL APOSTLES**? are all prophets? **ARE ALL TEACHERS**? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

God hath set SOME!!!!
Are ***ALL*** teachers?
Have ***ALL*** the gifts?

You are cutting God out of the equation - That's the old salvation by works theory AND idolatry. Verses such as 2Timothy 4:1-3 Do not authorise every tom, dick and harry to preach.

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News Item10/25/13 12:10 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Cooper wrote:
Evangelism is the work of God, not man. Surprise! Surprise!
Where God does a work of grace in evangelism HE provides/prepares the servant/minister/preacher and the receiver. The receiver comes to Christ only by the grace of God, not by human decision or choice.
Don't cut God and grace out of the equation by suggesting the sinner can come to Christ by human faculty - That is Roman Catholic religious hypothesis heresy. And it doesn't work!
Evangelise if you are called by God to evangelise. If not then all you will bring is human babble.
You clearly dont understand what it means to be a Christian if you think when one receives Christ through your preaching its YOU!

We preach because thats what we were created for

Prejudical use of the Gospel is the sign of a reprobate

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

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News Item10/25/13 11:14 AM
Cooper  Find all comments by Cooper
SteveR wrote:
concluded that they didnt have to witness because it would fall on deaf ears.
Evangelism is the work of God, not man. Surprise! Surprise!

Where God does a work of grace in evangelism HE provides/prepares the servant/minister/preacher and the receiver. The receiver comes to Christ only by the grace of God, not by human decision or choice.

Don't cut God and grace out of the equation by suggesting the sinner can come to Christ by human faculty - That is Roman Catholic religious hypothesis heresy. And it doesn't work!

Evangelise if you are called by God to evangelise. If not then all you will bring is human babble.

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News Item10/25/13 10:55 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Jason
You received two reponses, and BOTH concluded that they didnt have to witness because it would fall on deaf ears.
Stevey baby,

If you are referring to me, perhaps you'd like to PROVE your heinous accusation. Eh?

You do make I larf.

CV wrote:
I am a proponent of easy believism because that's all you come in with.
Maybe you are defining easy-believism in a different way to me, CV.

Ever seen a John Yurich post?

Typical example of an easy-believist who will never come out of the RCC because he is unrepentant and imagines that all he has to do to be saved is "embrace Jesus as his Saviour" and THAT'S IT.

Folks have tried for years to explain to him that FAITH is far different to how he imagines it. Saving faith (from God) actually has a profound effect on the WILL, the MIND, and the ACTIONS.

Och aye!

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News Item10/25/13 10:54 AM
polemical  Find all comments by polemical
SteveR wrote:
Jason
You received two reponses, and BOTH concluded that they didnt have to witness because it would fall on deaf ears. Are you stunned? that self described Christians would respond this way? If I just found this board, I would be
Steve.
1. Question. Can the non-elect discern spiritually? 1Cor 2:14?
2. Question. Free will/salvation by works folks like your brothers in the RCC, - Do they have human faculty 'faith' or God's gift of faith. And remember they are different. John 6:44.
3. Question. Does God elect His people based upon nothing which a sinner can do or contribute? Who is in charge God or sinner? 1Peter 1:2. Rom 9:11. John 10:26,27.
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News Item10/25/13 10:10 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Jason A wrote:
My brothers and sisters in Christ. Don't you think we need to be out winning souls to Christ instead of sitting here making debates? People are dying daily dropping into hell and were sitting here arguing between each other. I've read a bunch of comments and I can clearly see that your all misunderstanding what each other is talking about.
Go and spread the gospel to every living creature like were supost to. I speak this with love
Jason
You received two reponses, and BOTH concluded that they didnt have to witness because it would fall on deaf ears. Are you stunned? that self described Christians would respond this way? If I just found this board, I would be.

I have found they enjoy exchanging sanctimonious praise and pointing fingers at people they consider heretics rather than honouring the mandate that actual Christians have

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News Item10/25/13 9:03 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
John UK wrote:
Excellent, excellent post Jason.
Believers here take the true light of the gospel and holds it high to act as a beacon for the body of Christ to correct it's course.
Only teenagers and brand new Christians know it all.
I can't tell you how much I have grown in my walk just by being battered and tossed about by those whom I love in the Lord.

Paul Washer is an outspoken critic of easy belvsm. Paul Washer, like Paul the Apostle, loves his Jesus and is jealous to guard HIS name.
I am a proponent of easy believism because that's all you come in with. Only God the Spirit can love God the Son. It's an act of pure grace and mercy that God should allow me the closeness the Pauls enjoy.
We all meet at the same place.

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News Item10/25/13 7:18 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I always get irked...hmmm, is irk a word? Anyway, I could use many analogies to show that statements like the one made are just not fair. Just because people happen to spend some time discussing the issues of the day doesn't mean that's all they do with their days and nights. Nobody knows what each person does or has done. Nobody knows how any person here contributes. Say I was in a restaurant and overheard some people at a table discussing the very same issues, expressing their disgust, disdain, disappointment, arguing their points, ir whatever. Then, I walk over and scold them for being hypocrites; demanding that they go out and do something about it or something constructive instead of just sitting there talking about it all. Well, I would look pretty foolish because I would be acting as if I knew these people; assuming that since they were not doing anything important because they were sitting down for a bit while enjoying a nice bowl of cold kippers, that's all they ever did. For all I know, they left the restaurant and went back to handing out tracts, went to feed and witness to the homeless, etc.
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News Item10/24/13 2:54 PM
polemical  Find all comments by polemical
Jason A wrote:
My brothers and sisters in Christ. Don't you think we need to be out winning souls to Christ instead of sitting here making debates? People are dying daily dropping into hell and were sitting here arguing between each other. I've read a bunch of comments and I can clearly see that your all misunderstanding what each other is talking about.
Go and spread the gospel to every living creature like were supost to. I speak this with love
Tried it and it doesn't work.
1) The Non-elect cannot hear.
2) The Free willers think they invented faith unto salvation. (By works)
3) The elect are pre-programed to be saved anyway.
4) The Baptists use too much water.
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News Item10/24/13 1:31 PM
William S. Sutherland | Houston, Texas  Find all comments by William S. Sutherland
The LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself said, "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Are you going to call Him a heretic and declare His Words "garbage"?

Repentance is not a work that merits salvation. It is an intregal part of salvation by God's grace. Faith and repentance are inseprable. True saving faith produces true biblical repentance not to be repented of. Repentance is not only a godly sorrow over our sins, but a godly sorrow over our being sinners, rebels before a holy God.

As for Driscoll, he is clearly a wolf in sheep's clothing. If you have ever read any of the crude, vulgar, blasphemous stuff that comes out of the deranged mind of Driscoll, you would see he clearly has no fear of God. There is a great sermon by Laurence Justice on Driscoll the potty-mouth preacher which I highly recommend. There is also the article by Cathy Mickels in which she furnishes various quotes by Driscoll which show him to be the godless charlatan that he is. Strange Fire indeed!!!

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News Item10/24/13 10:48 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jason A wrote:
My brothers and sisters in Christ. Don't you think we need to be out winning souls to Christ instead of sitting here making debates? People are dying daily dropping into hell and were sitting here arguing between each other. I've read a bunch of comments and I can clearly see that your all misunderstanding what each other is talking about.
Go and spread the gospel to every living creature like were supost to. I speak this with love
Excellent, excellent post Jason.

Trouble is, it will fall on deaf ears. You see, according to Christopher, most folks here are so ancient they even fall asleep halfway through their post and wake up with smarticons all over their face, and they then say, "Where am I?"

But if you're young enough and fit enough to go evangelise the world, I will encourage you to go and do just that. You will be blessed immensely, which you won't get sitting around here in the smoking room posting your ideas on what old folks ought to be doing.

Oh boy! Ha!

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News Item10/24/13 10:39 AM
Jason A | USA  Find all comments by Jason A
My brothers and sisters in Christ. Don't you think we need to be out winning souls to Christ instead of sitting here making debates? People are dying daily dropping into hell and were sitting here arguing between each other. I've read a bunch of comments and I can clearly see that your all misunderstanding what each other is talking about.

Go and spread the gospel to every living creature like were supost to. I speak this with love

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News Item10/24/13 9:32 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CV wrote:
I don't agree with the way JM has painted "easy believism". He sets up extreme examples so that in contrast, his point sounds more acceptable.
I agree with most all that he says. Except that he has foisted a religious workout that everyone MUST live up to without regard to Gods hand moving in real life.

Can you determine this period of fall?
If you don't know when God restore him, then when you look at this person in the fallen state you have to declare this "genuine believer" to be unsaved.
Where is the line that tells you how much good works meets this standard for salvation and how much comes just short of this?

CV, as I read it, it would seem that Johnny Mac ascribes all to God. If a man believes, it is by God's grace. When the man repents, it is God who is working in him. When the man perseveres to the end and is saved, it is God's preserving work that kept him.

If you put a dog's brain into a cat, that cat will bark. It is not the cat attempting to bark, but a new nature causes it.

Johnny Mac claims nothing for meriting salvation by way of works.

Did you really read the article?

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News Item10/24/13 9:03 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
I don't agree with the way JM has painted "easy believism". He sets up extreme examples so that in contrast, his point sounds more acceptable.

I agree with most all that he says. Except that he has foisted a religious workout that everyone MUST live up to without regard to Gods hand moving in real life.

McARTHUR wrote:
Ninth, Scripture teaches that genuine believers may stumble and fall, but they will persevere in the faith
Can you determine this period of fall?

If you don't know when God restore him, then when you look at this person in the fallen state you have to declare this "genuine believer" to be unsaved.

Where is the line that tells you how much good works meets this standard for salvation and how much comes just short of this?

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News Item10/24/13 6:38 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
CV wrote:
True saving faith is not apart from repentance.
JM puts too much emphasis on the showiness of religiosness to declare someone saved. Fact is, salvation is of the heart no man can see.
Disagree CV. Grace has evidence. Observe:

Acts 11:20-23 KJV
20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
23 Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.

Barnabas saw something in these new converts which convinced him the grace of God had been at work in these folks.

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News Item10/23/13 9:52 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
True saving faith is not apart from repentance.
JM puts too much emphasis on the showiness of religiosness to declare someone saved. Fact is, salvation is of the heart no man can see. Someone can show all the outward sign, read the bible & attend bible study, and not be saved.
Zech7:5 "was it for me you fasted?",Isiah58

How JM presents easy belivsm, I agree with. But JM would have a problem with inviting someone down the isl after a sermon because that would also be easy belivsm.
Everyone is invited to know Jesus and it's not for you to say if it's real or not

Do you have to go through some rigor to keep your good standing to stay saved, or at least to tell God you are keeping your end of the deal?

Is your faith& repentance not a gift? Is He not the author & the finisher & the sustainer of your faith? We take our cares and our heavy yokes and cast it upon Jesus. That IS easy then.

We are saved by pure grace, not of our doing. Why then this emphasis to show something? The Holy Spirit works in our lifes to conform us to the image of Christ. We are not called to our faith nor to meet it's standards but to the Lord Himself. He is both Lord& Saviour.

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News Item10/23/13 5:06 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hey, great addition to Jim's handle.

Jimmy "The Links" Lincoln. Nobody messes with Jimmy the links...Nobody. "Say hello to my little friend..."

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