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Thousands of anti-gay protesters, including Orthodox priests, occupied a central street in Georgia's capital Friday, with some threatening to lash with stinging nettles any participant in a gay pride parade which was to take place there.

Police in Tbilisi guarded several dozen gay activists and bused them out of the city center shortly after they arrived at the gathering. Those occupying the street held posters reading "We don't need Sodom and Gomorrah!" and "Democracy does not equal immorality!"

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News Item5/22/13 1:02 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Bta wrote:
Freddie;
Who is this "seaton" you are posting too?
a. "may" in this context, indicates to the parents the future possibility that their child might be one of the elect.
Unlike you Bapty's we don't try to upstage the Lord and try to read hearts.
...
Ohhhhh, I get it now. You are saying we should NOT be using Dennis Kastens paper as good theology, since it distorts the truth that baptism is for believers only and to "baptize" an infant (and btw pouring or sprinkling is NOT baptism) only serves to get the baby wet. We should practice what the Bible teaches, not some creed or confession of faith. Thanks for clearing that up.
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News Item5/22/13 12:44 PM
Ha  Find all comments by Ha
Bta wrote:
Freddie;
Who is this "seaton" you are posting too?
.....,
Are we to believe that this really isn't Seaton?!

Talks like him, even uses the same terms, is just as obtuse as him, reasons the same why, has the same mental blocks etc. Maybe all Presbys are clones?

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News Item5/22/13 11:28 AM
Bta  Find all comments by Bta
Lurker wrote:
Now I get it
Since Mr. Kastens used "may" as a qualifier it is equally possible that infants "may [not] receive the gift of salvation and regeneration....".
Thanks so much for clearing that up, Seaton.
Btw, if there assurance of receiving the gift is no better than a coin toss then why bother to say anything at all?
Freddie;
Who is this "seaton" you are posting too?

a. "may" in this context, indicates to the parents the future possibility that their child might be one of the elect.
Unlike you Bapty's we don't try to upstage the Lord and try to read hearts.

b. "coin toss" - Election is like that for the seed of Covenanted parents, as Paul taught and God has ordained, - "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" Ro 9:6.
Remember that you Bapty's by your ceremony of so called "Believers baptism" are baptising unsaved reprobates too.
btw: I know you Bapty's reject Covenant - Do you also reject election?
_________________

John UK wrote:
Galatians 3:27 does not have anything to do with water baptism
Baptism is a sign of ingrafting into Christ. Are you one of these Anabaptists - TWO baptism chappies.
See WCF chapter 28 for the correct Biblical teaching John.
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News Item5/22/13 11:00 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
It is all quite self-explanatory, if you read it real slow.
This may answer why the Presbys have so much difficulty exegeting scripture, John. They don't understand that the original autographs were written real slow.

Yall have a great day.

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News Item5/22/13 10:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Galatians 3:22-27 KJV
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by FAITH of Jesus Christ might be given to them that BELIEVE.
23 But before FAITH came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the FAITH which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by FAITH.
25 But after that FAITH is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by FAITH in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:27 does not have anything to do with water baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

It is all quite self-explanatory, if you read it real slow.

Salvation by baptism is a non-starter. It might make plenty of Catholics, but it never made one Christian in the history of the church.

Be not deceived!

Salvation is by FAITH in Jesus Christ. The Spirit baptises you into Christ. And THEN, you may be baptised in water.

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News Item5/22/13 10:20 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
BaptyTeachingAids.com wrote:
Lurker what does 'may' mean? In the context of this paragraph.
****Todays english comprehension lesson.
The dictionary teaches::-
== "MAY"
1.
(used to express possibility): eg: It may rain.
2.
(used to express opportunity or permission): eg: You may enter.
3.
(used to express contingency, especially in clauses indicating condition, concession, purpose, result, etc.):****
Now I get it

Since Mr. Kastens used "may" as a qualifier it is equally possible that infants "may [not] receive the gift of salvation and regeneration....".

Thanks so much for clearing that up, Seaton.

Btw, if there assurance of receiving the gift is no better than a coin toss then why bother to say anything at all?

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News Item5/22/13 10:14 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
The article: Good for them standing up, and "gay pride"...yuck. There's that word "nettles" again, "stinging" in this case. I have to find out what they are on Google now since I keep seeing the worsd used.
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News Item5/22/13 9:54 AM
BaptyTeachingAids.com  Find all comments by BaptyTeachingAids.com
John UK wrote:
Bro, it is quite definitely saying: "When we baptise babies of Christians, God brings them to new birth, saves them, and puts Christ in them."
In that case John the Bible is wrong when it says - "Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

See below instructions John.

I'm worried about the Baptist english comprehension skills.

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Lurker wrote:
Apparently I have a reading comprehension problem and "no" seems unwilling to help me out so could someone explain what this fellow meant
Lurker what does 'may' mean? In the context of this paragraph.

****Todays english comprehension lesson.
The dictionary teaches::-
== "MAY"
1.
(used to express possibility): eg: It may rain.
2.
(used to express opportunity or permission): eg: You may enter.
3.
(used to express contingency, especially in clauses indicating condition, concession, purpose, result, etc.):****

Now Lurker and you other Bapty's must do some homework on your english before you start trying to learn theology.

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News Item5/22/13 4:25 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Thanks bro. I feel much better now.... having two people I trust tell me senility is still held at bay.
Oh.... "no". You may want to get checked out by Dr. Zoloft. The reading comprehension problem may be on your end. Better safe than sorry.
I've not heard of the good doctor for a very long time, bro. He's not gone into retirement, has he?
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News Item5/21/13 9:30 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Bro, it is quite definitely saying: "When we baptise babies of Christians, God brings them to new birth, saves them, and puts Christ in them."

So take heart brother, your faculties are not failing you. But the faculties of this Dennis the Menace certainly are found wanting.

Thanks bro. I feel much better now.... having two people I trust tell me senility is still held at bay.

Oh.... "no". You may want to get checked out by Dr. Zoloft. The reading comprehension problem may be on your end. Better safe than sorry.

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News Item5/21/13 7:38 PM
Reality  Find all comments by Reality
SteveR wrote:
..REAL Christians discard lies from ANY source. You discard these verifyable quotes because they ARE TRUE, from an RCC scholar and shed light on the dark world you live in.
What a perfidious individual. Accusing others of denying the truth when he does nothing but promote falsehood and lies.

He is no doubt a child of the devil.

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News Item5/21/13 4:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Apparently I have a reading comprehension problem and "no" seems unwilling to help me out so could someone explain what this fellow meant.....
"Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27)."
Dennis Kastens
Bro, it is quite definitely saying: "When we baptise babies of Christians, God brings them to new birth, saves them, and puts Christ in them."

So take heart brother, your faculties are not failing you. But the faculties of this Dennis the Menace certainly are found wanting.
_________________

Thanks US for your comment!

I never did find out who Polycarp's parents were. Do you Know?

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News Item5/21/13 4:02 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Sure, it means, and you can quote me,
At least this fellow is honest enough to confess that infant baptism imparts salvation and regeneration by the putting on of Christ.
Whew!

For a while there I thought I was having an extended senior moment.

Thanks bro. I just may quote you on that.

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News Item5/21/13 3:56 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Lurker wrote:
It's not?
I do?
Does anyone else besides me have a problem understanding the following?
From the same article by Dennis Kastens
"Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27)."
Sure, it means, and you can quote me,
At least this fellow is honest enough to confess that infant baptism imparts salvation and regeneration by the putting on of Christ.
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News Item5/21/13 3:52 PM
Sayin  Find all comments by Sayin
SteveR wrote:
You live up to your nickname, as REAL Christians discard lies from ANY source. You discard these verifyable quotes because they ARE TRUE, from an RCC scholar and shed light on the dark world you live in.
Truth from the RCC. Might as well ask the devil for truth.

What a warped person you are! You're no disgrace to the RCC, cos you fit right in. The devil sure doesn't divide his house! Your claim to be reformed is a complete sham and your imposture has been detected.

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News Item5/21/13 3:49 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
no wrote:

That is not the sense of his words.
It's not?
no wrote:
You need to read the words more closely.
I do?

Apparently I have a reading comprehension problem and "no" seems unwilling to help me out so could someone explain what this fellow meant.....

"Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27)."
Dennis Kastens

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News Item5/21/13 3:42 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Psalm 71:6
(NKJV)

"By You I have been upheld from birth;
You are He who took me out of my mother’s womb. My praise shall be continually of You.

Looks like the psalmist view God as His sustainer from birth might have made the same statement.

Well let us see, certainly we will find a statement from Polycarp stating he was baptized as an infant.....

crickets chirping

Oops, he NEVER said that.
So, then with the same authority that the padeobaptist say he was baptized as an infant, I say he was baptized as a young adult and all his family were baptized after they were born again upon public profession of their faith. If it was good enough for the apostle John it was good enough for his followers.

And SteveR, yes you did seem to miss the point that the RCC priest with his own agenda is NOT a reliable source.

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News Item5/21/13 3:18 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Some folks believe that Polycarp was baptised as a baby, and that he served the Lord from that moment on, so that when he was martyred, he said that he had served the Lord 86 years, thus proving he died at age 86.

1. There is no evidence Polycarp was baptised as a baby.
2. There is evidence he claimed to have served the Lord for 86 years.

Therefore:

1. He was regenerated (saved) as a baby, and served the Lord until his death 86 years later.
Note, baptismal regeneration is a lie. If he based his salvation on that, he was deceived.
or
2. He was baptised as a convert in his teens or thereabouts, and served the Lord from then on for 86 years.
Note, this is quite possible.

Conclusions:
1. Polycarp was not a nutter, and would not have claimed to be "serving the Lord" in the first few years of his life.
2. Polycarp would have been anathematised and called a heretic had the RCC been in existence at the time, for his non-trinitarian views, regarding only the Father and Son as God.
3. Polycarp was heterodox in the doctrine of the Persons of the Godhead, not seeing the Holy Ghost as God.
4. Polycarp would have been baptised by immersion upon profession of faith, even though that profession could have been false.

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News Item5/21/13 2:57 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
ignored wrote:
He has! And Polycarp was 86 at his death as history records.
I thought you were ignoring me because I'm not good enough to debate with you?
_________________

Do you have problems with english too?

Sorry I was unclear. What I mean by Roman/Protestantism is much of what we see in the Protestant churches is simply RC repackaged for Protestant churches. I have always thought that baptismal regeneration was an example of that, so that is why I brought it up. But, I don't remember ever ignoring your comments, so why the "english" comment? I usually only do that when someone attacks me personally instead of the argument. Now, I know you aren't doing that. But, if someone changes their moniker, then I often respond because I don't know who they are/were.
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News Item5/21/13 2:33 PM
ignored  Find all comments by ignored
John UK wrote:
Just think about it, if the Lord leads you to do that.
He has! And Polycarp was 86 at his death as history records.

I thought you were ignoring me because I'm not good enough to debate with you?

_________________

Frank wrote:
I call them Roman/Protestants
Do you have problems with english too?
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