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FAU student says he was suspended for not 'stepping on Jesus'

A student at Florida Atlantic University's campus in Davie says he couldn't believe what he and his fellow students were asked to do by their instructor three weeks ago.

Ryan Rotela, a junior from Coral Springs at FAU, said what happened was an insult to his intelligence.

He said the instructor in his Intercultural Communications class at FAU told everyone in the class to take out a piece of paper, write the word JESUS on it in bold letters, and then put the paper on the floor and stomp on it. ...


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Beneath contempt  Find all comments by Beneath contempt
John Yurich USA wrote:
It would be really stupid for a Catholic who became Born Again to make their priest and others in church cognizant of their religious beliefs as it is none of their business. That is why I don't make my religious beliefs known to anybody at church. I don't fellowship with anybody as I don't think it is necessary to have friends.
Christians are told not to hide their light under a bushel!! (Luke 11.33)

Do you have a special exemption?

Or perhaps you're not a Christian?

You might like to listen to the Lord's warning just a couple of verses after viz. Luke 11.35

"Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness"!!

Do you understand those words John Y?

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News Item3/30/13 10:03 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
Sure. If a believer was in the RCC, they would know that everyone else was unconverted, and they would not be able to enjoy any fellowship, because continual arguments would ensue. For eg.
saved: You know, I've been born again this past week, when I turned to Jesus and trusted him.
r.c.: Don't be stupid, you know our priests teach us that we were born again when we were baptised.
saved: Ah but they are wrong! Baptism of men does not bring a sinner to new birth!
r.c.: Who are you calling a sinner?
saved: We are all sinners, under judgment. You must flee from the wrath to come, turn to Jesus!
r.c.: But we receive Jesus every mass. What do you mean turn to Jesus?
saved: You must turn to HIM, not to men! The mass is a deception.
r.c.: I think we'd better have a word with father blah blah!
Go elsewhere?
It would be really stupid for a Catholic who became Born Again to make their priest and others in church cognizant of their religious beliefs as it is none of their business. That is why I don't make my religious beliefs known to anybody at church. I don't fellowship with anybody as I don't think it is necessary to have friends.
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News Item3/30/13 9:48 AM
Beneath contempt  Find all comments by Beneath contempt
John UK wrote:
Yes, the alter call and repetition of the sinner's prayer never did come from the scriptures. We are exhorted to "come to Christ" not to a table in a meeting house. And it is God's prerogative to give assurance of salvation, not the preacher who wants another statistic to show how good he is.
Thank you bro for your response.

I believe this whole idea of "asking Jesus to come into my heart" is fatally flawed and accounts for more miscarriages in conversion than anything else.

There are disciples a plenty who have prayed that prayer, who now fill the churches BUT who have never undergone any radical change - only a minor moral reformation! These are the religious worldlings who clamour to get more of the world into the church and are responsible for decimating the evangelical scene.

These are the so called 'disciples' who cannot speak of any Christian experience and show no love for the Bible. They have a cheap ticket to heaven, or so they think, and that is all that matters to them.

In the language of PP they dont want to go through the wicket gate onto the narrow way that leads to the Celestial city, but bound over the hedge for a short time only to find its too narrow for their liking!!

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News Item3/30/13 9:27 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Beneath contempt wrote:
John UK
These RCC trolls will always ridicule the Bible and true Christian experience because they are foreigners to them.
BTW: I prefer Bunyans Pilgrims Progress to the ignorant postings of the one who has chosen to use it as his moniker! It is truly shocking that he's only heard of Hebrews and never read it. And I am guessing that will be true about the Bible too!!
Have a great day!
PS. I do think it is time to disabuse John Y of his delusion that he is a Christian. He is a typical product of decisional regeneration!
Thank you brother - you have a good day also.

Yes, the alter call and repetition of the sinner's prayer never did come from the scriptures. We are exhorted to "come to Christ" not to a table in a meeting house. And it is God's prerogative to give assurance of salvation, not the preacher who wants another statistic to show how good he is.

IMHO it is always best to stand back when dealing with sinners, and see what God is doing in their life, rather than force-feed them with formulas. The sovereign God knows what he does. Many years ago I attended a tent meeting with an alter call, and was disgusted with the techniques used to get a decision.

The PP book I rate highly.

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News Item3/30/13 7:19 AM
Beneath contempt  Find all comments by Beneath contempt
John UK wrote:
Interesting eh?
The RCC "sheep" have their shepherd, and flock to him. They do this without needing any brain-power or intellect, it just seems natural to them, and besides, everyone else does it, and it's been all around them from an early age.
The universal church has got a Shepherd also, and they flock to him. They hear his voice, they follow him, they trust in him. The Shepherd loves his flock, and they love the Shepherd.
Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice."
John UK

These RCC trolls will always ridicule the Bible and true Christian experience because they are foreigners to them.

BTW: I prefer Bunyans Pilgrims Progress to the ignorant postings of the one who has chosen to use it as his moniker! It is truly shocking that he's only heard of Hebrews and never read it. And I am guessing that will be true about the Bible too!!

Have a great day!

PS. I do think it is time to disabuse John Y of his delusion that he is a Christian. He is a typical product of decisional regeneration!

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News Item3/30/13 6:43 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Beneath contempt wrote:

Can anyone please explain this response to me?!
This fella was asking how the theologically challenged believer (he assumes there are genuine believers in the RCC ) would see through RCC errors.
I posted back stating that it had nothing to do with intellect or theological knowledge and that it had everything to do with conversion and the anointing that God gives, which gives the true child of God an instinct for truth and a nose to smell anything that is anti-Christian (like RCC teaching) so that a true child of God would run as fast as possible away from such danger.
Then he posts his response to mine to say that I apparently believe it is to do with the intellect.
Duh!
Interesting eh?

The RCC "sheep" have their shepherd, and flock to him. They do this without needing any brain-power or intellect, it just seems natural to them, and besides, everyone else does it, and it's been all around them from an early age.

The universal church has got a Shepherd also, and they flock to him. They hear his voice, they follow him, they trust in him. The Shepherd loves his flock, and they love the Shepherd.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice."

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News Item3/30/13 3:05 AM
Grace  Find all comments by Grace
http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/rampant-fake-spirituality.html

This is quite good as well.

I wish John Y had a bit more go in him!

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News Item3/30/13 12:11 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
beneath wrote:
Christ Jesus is the only "saving light" which saves.
If you want perfection.... Christ, and Him crucified, is the power of God unto salvation and the true light.

Am I to assume, then, that it is your firm belief and argument that the uncorrupted gospel Paul preached, Christ crucified, shines forth from the RCC?

If so, perhaps you could help us understand why, according to SteveR's estimates, only one in a thousand RCC members are saved. Seems like awfully poor odds especially when God said His word, e.g. the gospel, would not return to Him void but would accomplish His pleasure. Do you suppose that it is His pleasure that of every 1000 RCC members, the gospel preached would be the savor of death unto death to 999 that are perishing (2 Cor 2:15-17)?

If you have loved ones in the RCC, I'd suggest you pray night and day without ceasing that God calls them out in mercy instead of justifying this evil, bewitching institution.

My wife and eldest son are members of the RCC and I'd give my life if it would bring them out. But it won't. Only God's mercy in His time. So I pray and trust Him. But I will NEVER, NEVER compromise God's means of salvation in an attempt to make myself feel better about their eternal fate absent His mercy.

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News Item3/29/13 7:46 PM
Beneath contempt  Find all comments by Beneath contempt
beneath wrote:
No!
But apparently you do.

Can anyone please explain this response to me?!

This fella was asking how the theologically challenged believer (he assumes there are genuine believers in the RCC ) would see through RCC errors.

I posted back stating that it had nothing to do with intellect or theological knowledge and that it had everything to do with conversion and the anointing that God gives, which gives the true child of God an instinct for truth and a nose to smell anything that is anti-Christian (like RCC teaching) so that a true child of God would run as fast as possible away from such danger.

Then he posts his response to mine to say that I apparently believe it is to do with the intellect.

Duh! How dumb!

I get the feeling that this fella has a loose wire in the gray matter, but nevertheless thinks he is so clever!

beneath wrote:
Remember gentlemen. "Theology" does not save.
Yeah right. You were saved by your baptism and not by knowing the gospel. So its not surprising you think that.
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News Item3/29/13 6:50 PM
Feeblemind  Find all comments by Feeblemind
Curiously I have never met or heard ANY RC deny that Mother Teresa is a true Christian, so surely that presents the obvious on how RC's view Grace and Salvation.

But there is a major problem! J I Packer also made some assumptions that Mother Teresa was a child of God.

Those who signed the ECT document and the Manhattan Declaration also make assumptions about Roman Catholics.

My question for Beneath is what does he think of the following article and how does he view professing Christians like Packer who make such assumptions?

J I Packer and ‘Mother’ Teresa

quote:'To any faithful and discerning Christian it should be patently clear, in the light of ‘Mother’ Teresa’s own words, that she was a spiritually lost soul, sadly a high-profile victim of Rome’s false ‘gospel’ and practices. Former Roman Catholic priest, Richard Bennett examines the question of ‘Mother’ Teresa in his article ‘Mother Teresa: A Lost Soul?’'(unquote)

Many follow the great intellect of Packer and happily sign those documents.

I would rather be a feeblemind and stick to Holy Scripture

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News Item3/29/13 6:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
beneath wrote:
A very sweeping statement John. Can you justify it to yourself?

Thus your point is John that it is possible to find one of the elect in the RCC. And your response would be to "teach" them the reasons for transferring to the "perfect" church for further teaching?
However if they are one of the elect - Do they need to go elsewhere for further teaching?

Sure. If a believer was in the RCC, they would know that everyone else was unconverted, and they would not be able to enjoy any fellowship, because continual arguments would ensue. For eg.

saved: You know, I've been born again this past week, when I turned to Jesus and trusted him.

r.c.: Don't be stupid, you know our priests teach us that we were born again when we were baptised.

saved: Ah but they are wrong! Baptism of men does not bring a sinner to new birth!

r.c.: Who are you calling a sinner?

saved: We are all sinners, under judgment. You must flee from the wrath to come, turn to Jesus!

r.c.: But we receive Jesus every mass. What do you mean turn to Jesus?

saved: You must turn to HIM, not to men! The mass is a deception.

r.c.: I think we'd better have a word with father blah blah!

Go elsewhere?

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News Item3/29/13 6:32 PM
beneath  Find all comments by beneath
Beneath contempt wrote:
You think salvation is all about intellect?
No!
But apparently you do.

Frank wrote:
If someone understand the RCC and chooses to stay in it; then they are choosing to stay in Satan's church.
The crucial point I sought to make with John is "understanding."

Are all who claim to be Christians theologically proficient enough to perceive the facts which reject the RCC?

John UK wrote:
I would say that not one RC has the theological savvy to realise that all the doctrines in the RCC are incorrect.
A very sweeping statement John. Can you justify it to yourself?

John UK wrote:
I don't know of any such, nor would I reject them if I did. I would seek to guide them out, though
Thus your point is John that it is possible to find one of the elect in the RCC. And your response would be to "teach" them the reasons for transferring to the "perfect" church for further teaching?

However if they are one of the elect - Do they need to go elsewhere for further teaching?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Remember gentlemen. "Theology" does not save.

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News Item3/29/13 4:58 PM
Concerned  Find all comments by Concerned
Open reach wrote:
If Jesus is your Lord then you'll be concerned to do what he commands. Did you ever study the bible to see what 'church' Christ is the head of? Did you ever ask what church you should belong to? Have you ever been concerned about the Lord's will in this matter or is it just another matter in a long line of such matters where you simply ask his forgiveness for disobeying him?
John, have you ever read Acts 2.42 and specifically the words "They continued stedfastly in the Apostles' doctrine and Fellowship..."? Why do you think doctrine and fellowship was soooo important to these early disciples and why was it important enough for God to record this about them? Now you enjoy neither a people who continue stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and as you have admitted already you do not have fellowship! So John what do you suppose God thinks of your claim to have him as your Lord?
Yes he has. John Y has been coming here for over ten years, the conversation doesn't get any deeper.
And then it just starts up again as if the issues presented previously are of no importance. Its just a distraction I think. Something to get you hooked.
They come everyday - they are addicts. But the church is always behind with these kind of problem
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News Item3/29/13 4:17 PM
Open reach  Find all comments by Open reach
John Yurich USA wrote:
False, all RCC doctrines are not unscriptural. I have no problem telling other Catholics on discussion forums that salvation only is by embracing Jesus as ones Lord and Savior. A Catholic who is Born Again would not be excommunicated if the RCC never found out the Catholic's true beliefs about salvation..
If Jesus is your Lord then you'll be concerned to do what he commands. Did you ever study the bible to see what 'church' Christ is the head of? Did you ever ask what church you should belong to? Have you ever been concerned about the Lord's will in this matter or is it just another matter in a long line of such matters where you simply ask his forgiveness for disobeying him?

John, have you ever read Acts 2.42 and specifically the words "They continued stedfastly in the Apostles' doctrine and Fellowship..."? Why do you think doctrine and fellowship was soooo important to these early disciples and why was it important enough for God to record this about them? Now you enjoy neither a people who continue stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and as you have admitted already you do not have fellowship! So John what do you suppose God thinks of your claim to have him as your Lord?

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News Item3/29/13 4:00 PM
AmbroseLoughnin  Find all comments by AmbroseLoughnin
John Yurich USA wrote:
False, all RCC doctrines are not unscriptural. I have no problem telling other Catholics on discussion forums that salvation only is by embracing Jesus as ones Lord and Savior. A Catholic who is Born Again would not be excommunicated if the RCC never found out the Catholic's true beliefs about salvation. No, someone who is Born Again should not remain in a church that does not worship Jesus as God.
Which ones are unscriptural John?
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News Item3/29/13 3:37 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
1. Beneath, I would say that not one RC has the theological savvy to realise that all the doctrines in the RCC are incorrect.
2. I don't know of any such, nor would I reject them if I did. I would seek to guide them out, though. Do you know of anyone who is Christian by new birth, repentance and faith in Christ alone, who is still ensconsed in the RCC? If so, then they will have a hard time of it, as they seek to lead others to a saving (non-intellectual) experience of God's grace. They most likely will be excommunicated and pronounced anathema.
3. Do you believe it possible for a worshipper to engage with God as a member of the JW's or Mormon church? Or would they know enough to come out?
False, all RCC doctrines are not unscriptural. I have no problem telling other Catholics on discussion forums that salvation only is by embracing Jesus as ones Lord and Savior. A Catholic who is Born Again would not be excommunicated if the RCC never found out the Catholic's true beliefs about salvation. No, someone who is Born Again should not remain in a church that does not worship Jesus as God.
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News Item3/29/13 12:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
beneath wrote:
The point I was making John is that not all individuals have the educational discernment to perceive the RCC theological position as ostensibly wrong.

2. But do we have the right to reject a person who attends the Roman church, (or any church) with the dedicated conviction to worship God regardless of the rituals and rites?

1. Beneath, I would say that not one RC has the theological savvy to realise that all the doctrines in the RCC are incorrect.

2. I don't know of any such, nor would I reject them if I did. I would seek to guide them out, though. Do you know of anyone who is Christian by new birth, repentance and faith in Christ alone, who is still ensconsed in the RCC? If so, then they will have a hard time of it, as they seek to lead others to a saving (non-intellectual) experience of God's grace. They most likely will be excommunicated and pronounced anathema.

3. Do you believe it possible for a worshipper to engage with God as a member of the JW's or Mormon church? Or would they know enough to come out?

Frank wrote:
Hey Pilgrim! I am traveling ...
I too travel. The road is strait and difficult, but I keep going as I near the celestial city!
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News Item3/29/13 12:41 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Obviously, Satan will counterfeit all that God does. Which "church" upon the earth do people think is Satan's greatest effort in mimicking the true church?
Hey Pilgrim! I am traveling so I won’t be able to keep up with this thread. But, of course you and I are “completely” correct on our thought regarding how to treat “true” RCs.

[9] Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. [10] If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: [11] For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2Jo 1:9-11 KJV)

[15] He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD. (Pro 17:15 KJV)

And of course; the best one is 2 Cor 6:14-18. If someone understand the RCC and chooses to stay in it; then they are choosing to stay in Satan's church. Why would a true believer fellowship with or support or condone someone who is in Satan's church? Paul said those who adhere to a false gospel are accursed!

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News Item3/29/13 12:33 PM
Beneath contempt  Find all comments by Beneath contempt
I hear a hissing in the grass!

Since you missed it, I will re-post my last.
____________________________

Ye know not the scriptures nor the God of the Bible which is why you are here to attempt to cause the saints to stumble.

Those who are born from above have the Holy Spirit and hence an unction/an anointing:

1 John 2.20

"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things."

1 John 2.27

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him"

This gives them an instinct for what is right and wrong especially in detecting what is Anti-Christian (see context of those verses). Do you suppose that God would leave his vulnerable babes amidst wolves defenceless?

****This is one reason I do not accept that John Y is converted. There is no indication whatsoever of this anointing in his life!****

You think salvation is all about intellect? You RCC apologists really are ignorant and full of hate!

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News Item3/29/13 12:25 PM
beneath  Find all comments by beneath
John UK wrote:
Is there any reason why
The point I was making John is that not all individuals have the educational discernment to perceive the RCC theological position as ostensibly wrong. Lloyd-Jones statement as to the individual who can be both RC and Christian is a thought provoking one within this debate. The RCC theology is predominantly unBiblical in many areas for example graven image idolatry. But do we have the right to reject a person who attends the Roman church, (or any church) with the dedicated conviction to worship God regardless of the rituals and rites?
Perhaps we are being judgmental where the piety of the person is a simple one and their religion is uncomplicated and elementary. Their place then in the great scheme of things will be as God has provided and we should not judge unknowingly. Even if the RCC does teach false doctrine as you have correctly highlighted, there may be some who listen and fail to discern the error, because they have not heard/received the alternatives. Is that the fault of the person or simply innocent benightedness. We approach here the area of arminian debate whereby we might establish human (educational) ability as contribution to salvation in the "right" denomination?
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