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Choice News TUESDAY, MAR 19, 2013  |  38 comments
Hillary Clinton Announces Support For Gay 'Marriage'
Hillary Rodham Clinton's embrace of gay marriage Monday signals she may be seriously weighing a 2016 presidential run and trying to avoid the type of late-to-the-party caution that hurt her first bid.

Her chief Democratic rivals endorsed same-sex marriage as much as seven years ago, and it's widely popular with Democratic and independent voters.

By supporting gay marriage a full two years before the next presidential primary warms up, Clinton may render the issue largely settled among Democrats, should she decide to run. ...


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Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Hey Frank, my 2¢
Hey Luke 17:10. The scriptures you provided were worth a whole lot more than 2 cents. If fact I copied them and am going to incorporate them into a meditation I did way back when on "loving our enemies". I knew that the OT supported my thoughts and I knew that Jesus didn't change the OT thoughts on that subject, but now you have given me additional NT scriptures I will have to ponder. On the surface, they seem to be saying the same thing as David did.

Thanks for the scriptures.

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News Item3/20/13 6:31 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Hey Frank, my 2¢

2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.(NKJV)

Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.(NKJV)

I Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (NKJV)

Acts 13:9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.”And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand.(NKJV)

2 Thessalonians 1:6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, (N

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News Item3/20/13 6:29 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks Frank...I do understand where you are coming from. I guess I just wonder how I would know when a line is crossed in order for me to pray for someones destruction. Personal enemies aside, God has many working directly, and openly against Him, without fear of any kind, infecting the ignorant masses to their destruction. I could pray all day long for God to destroy the athiests, cult leaders, Muslims, or whoever because they are all actively working against Him in all they do; basically sworn enemies.
I'm not looking to begin praying like that but wonder what line someone would need to cross or what they would need to do for me to consider it.
Yes, the issue is very controversial; that is why you will have to search for sermons on that issue. We are not commanded to do this as we are commanded to love our enemies. But as I said, I would never pray for God to destroy my personal enemies. Now we are commanded to do things like not help those who can work, but don't and things like that and many others we are told not to help, but God destroying them is something else.

I do this with a great deal of thought and would never never tell someone else they should pray for someone's destruction.

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News Item3/20/13 5:37 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Frank...I do understand where you are coming from. I guess I just wonder how I would know when a line is crossed in order for me to pray for someones destruction. Personal enemies aside, God has many working directly, and openly against Him, without fear of any kind, infecting the ignorant masses to their destruction. I could pray all day long for God to destroy the athiests, cult leaders, Muslims, or whoever because they are all actively working against Him in all they do; basically sworn enemies.
I'm not looking to begin praying like that but wonder what line someone would need to cross or what they would need to do for me to consider it.
Maybe if a particular person had free, long term, reign, and was just out of control, spewing out, publicly, their hatred for God and searching for recruits to join them; potentially leading them also to their destruction?
I'm just trying to imagine a scenario in which I might feel like I was doing the right thing.
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News Item3/20/13 5:34 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
psalmprecatory wrote:
Another section which deals with this is Paul at Romans 12:
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Verse 19 is interesting in that it states how God's wrath is to be "given place" by His disciples. In addition v20 teaches that by helping our enemies we will actually "heap coals of fire upon his head." The "imprecatory" (calling down) element of this is in the Christian's anticipation of the wrath and the effects of our actions with the enemies of God. As you allude ours is not to take personal offence but allow for the terrible wrath and vengeance we know of and expect from above.
Whatever we pray for is, as all Christians know, in the Hands of God anyway.
We seem to agree. Thanks for the Romans scriptures.

Query,

Please refer to my earlier reponse to you.

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News Item3/20/13 5:22 PM
psalmprecatory  Find all comments by psalmprecatory
Frank wrote:
Now my imprecatory thoughts are associated with those who are God’s enemies, but not my “personal” enemies.
Another section which deals with this is Paul at Romans 12:
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Verse 19 is interesting in that it states how God's wrath is to be "given place" by His disciples. In addition v20 teaches that by helping our enemies we will actually "heap coals of fire upon his head." The "imprecatory" (calling down) element of this is in the Christian's anticipation of the wrath and the effects of our actions with the enemies of God. As you allude ours is not to take personal offence but allow for the terrible wrath and vengeance we know of and expect from above.
Whatever we pray for is, as all Christians know, in the Hands of God anyway.

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News Item3/20/13 5:13 PM
Query  Find all comments by Query
Frank wrote:
My main thought was that praying for God to destroy someone was not against scripture. Now if it isn't against scripture then it isn't against God. Also, if I don't kill them myself, then I am simply leaving it up to a perfectly loving and "just" God and since I have permission to do this from scripture, it can't be wrong in and of itself. You and I would agree that God is not going to destroy anyone because Frank wants Him to. The worst case is that He would get upset with me if I didn't do what was morally correct.
A good example was the article itself. I have never prayed for God to destroy Hillary Clinton, but I think she would be a good candidate. I think she is demonically possessed and she is trying to destroy Christ's church. If she turned out to be one of God's elect, then God would simply ignore me.
I always enjoy differences of opinion. That is one of the ways we sharpen our doctrines. "iron sharpens iron".
Not angry!
Why would God ask us to pray ***for*** our enemies, if he does not intend good to his own enemies? Does God ask us to do something for our enemies when he intends the opposite for his own? And how come such imprecatory prayers are confined to the OT? Is there any significance in this.
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News Item3/20/13 5:08 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
I wanted to add that even if I prayed for someones destruction, there really would be no harm, no foul, because God
will do as He chooses. My reservation lies with the idea that I would actually be praying for someone to be destroyed; to be eternally condemned; forever.
My main thought was that praying for God to destroy someone was not against scripture. Now if it isn't against scripture then it isn't against God. Also, if I don't kill them myself, then I am simply leaving it up to a perfectly loving and "just" God and since I have permission to do this from scripture, it can't be wrong in and of itself. You and I would agree that God is not going to destroy anyone because Frank wants Him to. The worst case is that He would get upset with me if I didn't do what was morally correct.

A good example was the article itself. I have never prayed for God to destroy Hillary Clinton, but I think she demonically possessed and she is trying to destroy Christ's church. If she turned out to be one of God's elect, then God would simply ignore me if I did it. If He didn't agree, He would ignore me.

I always enjoy differences of opinion. That is one of the ways we sharpen our doctrines. "iron sharpens iron".

Not angry!

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News Item3/20/13 3:46 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
By the way, don't get angry because I'm not saying it's right or wrong...just trying to get a proper grasp so I can give it more thought.
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News Item3/20/13 3:42 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I wanted to add that even if I prayed for someones destruction, there really would be no harm, no foul, because God
will do as He chooses. My reservation lies with the idea that I would actually be praying for someone to be destroyed; to be eternally condemned; forever.
Again, God does what He wants, but I feel like if I ever prayed like that, then He may look down on me to say, "look at what I brought you out of...remember my patience while you reviled me...consider the time I allowed you, and consider how swiftly I delivered you; in the blink of an eye...overnight. Now, another lost child needs me, but not considering what I did for you, or how long I waited, you pray for me to destroy them?"

This is my logic and why I never wish ill upon anyone beforw their time, but I may be missing the point all together. Boy, that would be a first...ha-ha.

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News Item3/20/13 3:26 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi, Frank...I have been waiting on your answer to this before responding because I had never heard of someone doing this before now.
While reading your post, I immediately thought about my views on capital punishment. I also considered the reason why, in a matter of life or death, I would hope to wound the person as opposed to taking their life. I have always said that I would not wish eternal condemnation upon even my worst enemy...no matter what they might have done. I have always been of the mindset that I want to give even the worst of the worst, every possible minute of opportunity to come to their senses before it's too late. This is why I shy away from capital punishment and a life for a life, if possible. I always felt that I could be responsible in some way for their eternal fate.
Now, I know you were speaking more of the Lord's direct enemies, so I'd need an example to seperate the two. Are you speaking of athiests who spread their cancer, or possibly the Benny Hinn's who add to and comprimise God's word, Infecting the masses? If so, we could be praying for the destruction of many, so I just wanted to know where the seperation lies (for me). Thanks Frank...interesting post.
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News Item3/20/13 12:13 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Query wrote:
Good question; thanks for the comeback. Before I begin, I want to restate that it is a difficult concept, but I believe it is taught in scriptures and I don’t believe that Jesus taught any differently. Matthew 5:43-48 is a good example of what you are referring to. Also, Matthew 18:21,22 Luke 17:4. But, notice Jesus is talking about my personal enemies; those I know on at least some personal level; read it with that thought in mind and you will see the distinction I am making. Now my imprecatory thoughts are associated with those who are God’s enemies, but not my “personal” enemies. I can explain that further if need be. Now, God said some very nice things about David; 1 Kings 9:4, and David certainly prayed sometimes in the manner. Also note Jeremiah 7:16.

Also, this exchange has always intrigued me. 1 Samuel 2:25. If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them

Lastly, I use this prayer with a great deal of hesitancy. If I believe someone is trying to destroy God's church through some demonic action, then I sometimes pray this way.

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News Item3/20/13 7:21 AM
Query  Find all comments by Query
Frank wrote:
I am one of the few that believe it has a place in our Christian thoughts and prayers. I sort of look at it this way. I pray that if someone isn't one of the elect (the Lord knows) and they fit a category that is clearly demonic in their conduct towards Christ and His church, then I sometimes pray that God will destroy them.
But, I will admit it is a difficult concept and I'm glad you brought the issue up. I'm not sure how the Lord answers this prayer, but I believe it is one we should offer up on occasion.
Also Psalm 139:21-22 is very interesting when compared with 139:23.
Thanks for the comment!
Frank

Christ taught us to pray ***for*** our enemies, not against them.

How does this sit with what you believe?

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News Item3/20/13 12:15 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
psalmprecatory wrote:
Psalm 58:4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun."
imprecatory prayer is something that is rarely preached on today. I am one of the few that believe it has a place in our Christian thoughts and prayers. I sort of look at it this way. I pray that if someone isn't one of the elect (the Lord knows) and they fit a category that is clearly demonic in their conduct towards Christ and His church, then I sometimes pray that God will destroy them.

But, I will admit it is a difficult concept and I'm glad you brought the issue up. I'm not sure how the Lord answers this prayer, but I believe it is one we should offer up on occasion.

Also Psalm 139:21-22 is very interesting when compared with 139:23.

Thanks for the comment!

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News Item3/19/13 10:48 PM
Kat | USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kat
This is news!
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News Item3/19/13 3:08 PM
psalmprecatory  Find all comments by psalmprecatory
Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun."
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News Item3/19/13 11:53 AM
Tommie Scott | Las Vegas, NV  Contact via emailFind all comments by Tommie Scott
Hillary said my faith , what faith is she talking about?
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News Item3/19/13 7:42 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I think Mrs Clinton is a horrible woman and any little bit of respect I had left for her fizzled while listening to how she answered to the Bengazi fiasco.
I just think she is a hate filled woman; smiling as she speaks but filled with black sludge.
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