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WEDNESDAY, FEB 20, 2013  |  57 comments
Interview: 'God's Smuggler' on Megachurches, Persecuted Christians, and Friendship With Taliban and Hamas Leaders

Brother Andrew has a natural kindness to him that makes those around him – even people meeting him for the first time – feel at ease and as if they've known him for years. Perhaps this gift is part of the reason why the Open Doors founder has been so successful in befriending Hamas, Taliban, and other Muslim extremist leaders, while openly sharing his Christian faith with them. Open Doors is an international ministry that assists persecuted Christians around the world.

The Christian Post recently sat down with Brother Andrew to look back at the beginning of his ministry as a Bible smuggler behind the Iron Curtain, to get his take on how American megachurch pastors are doing on advocating for persecuted Christians, to hear about his friendship with the "Father of the Taliban," and to see if this 84-year-old man has plans to slow down. ...


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News Item2/20/13 3:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
btw- What a bunch of guys in Rome said centuries ago doesnt influence your salvation, unless you allow it
You want me to be friends with the RCC, when it still anathematises me?

Observe:

TRENT
1.CANON 9: "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."

Now then Steve. We are going to look at Trent, and we shall begin with this one. It is still in force, you know.

The MOST important doctrine in the world is "How can a man be right with God?"

Or in other words, "How are we justified?"

You know what the RCC teaches, and it is plain WRONG. Thus they deceive souls, lead them astray, and together they perish in hell. Man, do you have NO concern about this?

You talk about love? I do not believe you know the real meaning of the word. You are like a parent who pats his children on the head no matter what they do wrong.

Those poor deluded Catholics are not being helped by your assertions.

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News Item2/20/13 2:56 PM
Botidy  Find all comments by Botidy
SteveR wrote:
RCC doctrine wont send you to hell, you do that all by yourself
And the way which "yourself" does that is by living by and teaching idolatry and heresy - "wrong doctrine."

Thats what the RCC does all the time and done for centuries.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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News Item2/20/13 2:55 PM
Robbie Rensenbrink  Find all comments by Robbie Rensenbrink
SteveR wrote:
Are you really going to allow them to provoke your flesh? Sure looks like a test to me
Smoke and mirrors again. Take heed to yourself and to your doctrine.

SteveR wrote:
btw- What a bunch of guys in Rome said centuries ago doesnt influence your salvation, unless you allow it
Hypocritical strawman - You take others to task for an alleged lack of love to alleged christian brothers, but refuse to deal with the underlying substantive facts.

No one on here questions their salvation just because the antichrist is seated in Rome exactly as the Scriptures revealed. On the contrary, we are encouraged all the more to press on in the faith. Thank you also for your reminders to us in this matter, we will continue to pray for you.

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News Item2/20/13 2:48 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Finally, you will see the word "anathema" used many times by the Council. This means that those who disagree with the doctrines of this Council are cursed. In Gal. 1:8-9, the word "anathema" is used. The curse must come from God. Therefore, we conclude that according to Roman Catholicism, anyone who disagrees with the following Canons are cursed of God. The Roman Catholic church excommunicates those under anathema. In other words, excommunication means being outside the Christian church. Being outside the church means you are not saved.
In spite of what Catholicism states, the Bible speaks differently. Following each Canon is a list of appropriate scriptures countering the Catholic position.
Are you really going to allow them to provoke your flesh? Sure looks like a test to me

btw- What a bunch of guys in Rome said centuries ago doesnt influence your salvation, unless you allow it

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News Item2/20/13 2:38 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Finally, you will see the word "anathema" used many times by the Council. This means that those who disagree with the doctrines of this Council are cursed. In Gal. 1:8-9, the word "anathema" is used. The curse must come from God. Therefore, we conclude that according to Roman Catholicism, anyone who disagrees with the following Canons are cursed of God. The Roman Catholic church excommunicates those under anathema. In other words, excommunication means being outside the Christian church. Being outside the church means you are not saved.

In spite of what Catholicism states, the Bible speaks differently. Following each Canon is a list of appropriate scriptures countering the Catholic position.

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News Item2/20/13 2:33 PM
Robbie Rensenbrink  Find all comments by Robbie Rensenbrink
SteveR wrote:
RCC doctrine wont send you to hell, you do that all by yourself.
Smoke and mirrors. The matter at issue is the public anathematisations that Rome has proclaimed. You are trying to avoid the facts of history and today.

SteveR wrote:
btw- Abraham is saved in their view and in mine as well
I am not advocating your inconsistency or theirs. What view do the blind have? I am praying that God will open the eyes of the blind and give you and them a true view in the light of the gospel.
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News Item2/20/13 2:32 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I think it would benefit all of us to look at TRENT, which The Lurker kindly linked to. RCC apologists do NOT like looking at these anathemas:

The Roman Catholic church convened the Council of Trent in November of 1544 in an attempt to counter the doctrines raised and supported by the Reformers. The official opening of the council was on Dec. 13, 1545 and was closed on Dec. 14, 1563. The council delivered many statements on various subjects. These Canons have NEVER been denied by the Roman Catholic Church.

Following are several of the doctrinal statements made on JUSTIFICATION at the council of Trent. After each Canon are scriptures that contradict that Canon. These scriptures are linked to the KJV on CARM so you can click on them and read them in context.

Finally, you will see the word "anathema" used many times by the Council. This means that THOSE who disagree with the doctrines of this Council [of TRENT] are CURSED.
unquote

Thanks to Bro Lurker for this url.

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News Item2/20/13 2:31 PM
Don't waste your time  Find all comments by Don't waste your time
SteveR wrote:
Abraham is saved in their view and in mine as well
You still don't get it do you? Neither RCC or your opinion matter one whit!

Only the Bible matters, and the bible is clear that Abraham saw Christ's day and rejoiced in it - he understood substitutionary sacrifice and imputed righteousness! That's why he is called the father of the faithful.

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News Item2/20/13 2:24 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Robbie Rensenbrink wrote:
The RCC only anathematises false believers in your opinion.
No, Rome anathematises all those that hold to justification by faith by imputed righteousness.
.
huh?

RCC doctrine wont send you to hell, you do that all by yourself.

btw- Abraham is saved in their view and in mine as well

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News Item2/20/13 2:12 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The Romish Church is infamous for lies, such as the Donation of Constantine, and of course any false church that rejects "Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory" such as the Romish Church is accursed by God.

There is a complete lack of human merit in being justified by God, as is pointed out in What Does the Roman Catholic Church Teach About the
Doctrine of Justification?—Part One

Since the father of the Romish Church is the "father of lies," it follows that the Romish Church is full of lies also.

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News Item2/20/13 2:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
1. Its not easy to Love your brethren, thats why Christians need a new spirit.

2. And as you have pointed out time & time again, historically and theologically speaking it is a difficult thing for the natural man to do.

3. Your arguments appeal to the flesh John UK, not the Spirit. Thats why Christians must be reborn.

1. Christians HAVE a new spirit, the Holy Ghost.

2. I wouldn't say that it was difficult, but impossible for the natural man.

3a. Are you saying that I am not speaking by the Spirit of God? Which spirit then?

3b. You now want CHRISTIANS to be reborn?

Man, you're all over the place!

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News Item2/20/13 1:59 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Robbie Rensenbrink wrote:
The RCC only anathematises false believers in your opinion.
No, Rome anathematises all those that hold to justification by faith by imputed righteousness.

SteveR, There is no point in you quoting James 2:23 on imputed righteousness and then standing full square with the doctrine of infused righteousness and the anathematisers of Abraham.
John UK - very well observed. Thank you.

Well said!
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News Item2/20/13 1:51 PM
Robbie Rensenbrink  Find all comments by Robbie Rensenbrink
John UK wrote:
The RCC anathematises us, and so does Steve R.
Speaks volumes.
SteveR wrote:
Only false believers, the ones that are liars.
The RCC only anathematises false believers in your opinion.

No, Rome anathematises all those that hold to justification by faith by imputed righteousness.

SteveR wrote:
As for me and my family, I will stand with Father Abraham
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
SteveR, There is no point in you quoting James 2:23 on imputed righteousness and then standing full square with the doctrine of infused righteousness and the anathematisers of Abraham.

John UK - very well observed. Thank you.

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News Item2/20/13 1:44 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Bro, Steve's flag has been raised a little higher, is now wafting in the breeze, and is clearly visible. That is a good thing; we now know where his position is.
The RCC anathematises us, and so does Steve R.
Speaks volumes.
Only false believers, the ones that are liars. They claim to know God, but serve only their flesh. And its a step up from sanctimonious as Frank noted, so you are special.

Its not easy to Love your brethren, thats why Christians need a new spirit. And as you have pointed out time & time again, historically and theologically speaking it is a difficult thing for the natural man to do. Your arguments appeal to the flesh John UK, not the Spirit. Thats why Christians must be reborn

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

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News Item2/20/13 1:40 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
The RCC anathematises us, and so does Steve R.
Speaks volumes.
Heh fellow Pilgrim! For some reason, I was never confused by SteveR and confronted him the first time we discussed mega-churches. At that time, he simply called me sanctimonious, but has progressed to "wicked". I actually prayed for his salvation a couple of times, since he doesn't understand the gospel or our Lord and Savior. I remember after debating with a Catholic apologist, he indirectly told me that I had excommunicated myself since I actually understood Catholicism and had left it and rejected it. They make exceptions for those who don't really understand what they believe. I am not being cute now, but that was one of the greatest compliments I have ever received and here it came from a Catholic.

I will always said that anyone that understands Catholicism and supports it in "any" way can't be saved. If they don't understand, then that is another issue. Like you have often said, we all learn and grow differently, but to give credence to Satan's church while professing to understand it, is over the line. I hope he hasn't gone that far.

Hope all is going well with you and the buffet sister.

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News Item2/20/13 1:24 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Well now believers are being called wicked.
Bro, Steve's flag has been raised a little higher, is now wafting in the breeze, and is clearly visible. That is a good thing; we now know where his position is.

The RCC anathematises us, and so does Steve R.

Speaks volumes.

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News Item2/20/13 12:23 PM
Robbie Rensenbrink  Find all comments by Robbie Rensenbrink
SteveR wrote:
{shaking head}
You are like the Pharisees who paid off the Roman Guard after My Lord arose. They too didnt repent after KNOWING that he did rise
I have demonstrated my belief in the Scriptures and their authority.

I have rejected your false trust in mere men. Those pharisees put their trust in (and paid off) men, so do you.

No wonder you sympathise with popery, the essence of man-centred religion.

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News Item2/20/13 12:21 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Well now believers are being called wicked. And here I thought that since I was in Christ, I had the righteousness of my Lord and Savior imputed to me. Wicked is a state of being; a sinner is someone who sins. Christians can sin, but they can’t be wicked; just for the record. I have read Brother Andrew’s book, God’s Smuggler and it was truly amazing. At that time, I had no idea of his theology and since then I have not been a big fan of Open Doors. I understand they are ecumenical, in much the same manner as the Voice of the Martyrs ministry. After being raised in the Catholic church, I remember going through a long period of agnosticism. Then I went to psychics and thought there might be something metaphysical (demons are real) ; then to the Jehovah Witness and then to the Mormons. God used all of them to cause me to think since I was one of His elect, but it would be wrong to say that any of these groups had a clue what the real gospel is. Those encounters merely caused me to pick up the scriptures to see if they agreed or disagreed with what they were telling me. The power was in the word, not in these cults.

While all things are possible with our Lord, it is unlikely Brother Andrew was led to the Lord by nuns, but they may have had a unwitting hand in it?

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News Item2/20/13 12:15 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Robbie Rensenbrink wrote:
No, the text looks back to Abraham, Moses and the prophets. That is simple, indisputable chronology.
The text points forward to the work of Christ on the cross. That even when that happens, they will not believe.
{shaking head}

You are like the Pharisees who paid off the Roman Guard after My Lord arose. They too didnt repent after KNOWING that he did rise

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News Item2/20/13 12:11 PM
Robbie Rensenbrink  Find all comments by Robbie Rensenbrink
SteveR wrote:
I see your reading comprehension is as weak as your theology.

This text points to the books of Moses and the Prophets.

No, the text looks back to Abraham, Moses and the prophets. That is simple, indisputable chronology.

The text points forward to the work of Christ on the cross. That even when that happened, they would not believe.

SteveR wrote:
Youre right, even if Brother Andrew came back from the dead you wouldnt change
Your suggestion of Brother Andrew coming back from the dead in this world was simple, indisputable blasphemy which I trust Brother Andrew would also rebuke your for.
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