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MONDAY, DEC 24, 2012  |  80 comments
Satan worship motivated Sandy Hook killer?

Is Adam Lanza’s reported devil worship a missing link that could help explain what motivated the Sandy Hook gunman to carry out the school house massacre?

Was Lanza part of a larger Satanic or ritualistic subculture locally or online in which he could have revealed his plans or could have even received support in preparing for the killings?

Although largely underreported, Satanic subculture and so-called devil worship has been a factor in numerous other mass killings, including the recent Batman shooting massacre.

Trevor L. Todd, a former classmate of Lanza’s, told media that Lanza worshiped the devil and had an Internet page dedicated to Satan. ...


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News Item12/27/12 3:10 PM
Republic  Find all comments by Republic
Jim Lincoln wrote:
So, A. L. is purported to have Satan to blame for his his murders? "I couldn't help it the Devil made me do it!" I would alleged his parents did not understand the Instructions to Wives, Mothers and Their Husbands that is given by God.
Proverbs 22
6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Ephesians 6
4 And, fathers, do not provoke your children to anger; but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.---NASB
Did the father have any input into this person's life? In any event he was a man, and completely responsible for his behavior. While Satan Offers Tests, God Offers Strength to believers, the non-believer does not receive this strength to ignore Satan's suggestions.
Great post Jim Lincoln!

Thank you.

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News Item12/27/12 2:51 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
So, A. L. is purported to have Satan to blame for his his murders? "I couldn't help it the Devil made me do it!" I would alleged his parents did not understand the Instructions to Wives, Mothers and Their Husbands that is given by God.

Proverbs 22
6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Ephesians 6
4 And, fathers, do not provoke your children to anger; but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.---NASB

Did the father have any input into this person's life? In any event he was a man, and completely responsible for his behavior. While Satan Offers Tests, God Offers Strength to believers, the non-believer does not receive this strength to ignore Satan's suggestions.

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News Item12/27/12 2:01 PM
Republic  Find all comments by Republic
Neil,

I do custom screen printing.

Very easy to charge one more than the other. Your witness however, is shot if two people talk to each other about their prices.

I believe that Matt. 20:1-15 speaks to being a good steward with what is given to you, primarily "the good news."

If the good steward had made his profit by taking advantage of the sick and elderly would the master have congratulated him?

A believers primary concern should be to bring glory to God by emulating Christ-likeness by loving and serving others with integrity.

I will ask you a question. What is your primary motive in this conversation? Your insistence for an answer from John UK is silly and seems more combative than constructive (more like a radio talk show). Every business is different. Risk, demand, overhead...

Is your PRIMARY concern in business to make money or be a witness? If it is money, then squeeze out as much as you can from whomever you can. If it is the latter, then provide a good service and/or product at a reasonable price (which varies per business). You may never be a monster company but you will “sit at the gates of your city.”

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News Item12/27/12 1:47 PM
Question  Find all comments by Question
John, you say you are self employed. What is it you do? And how do you go about pricing to prevent an unjust price. You complain that you cannot sell for what the goods are worth, but if no one is buying at the price you are seeking then surely the conclusion must be that you are overpricing !
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News Item12/27/12 1:16 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Value is decided by supply and demand not what it cost to manufacture..
Thanks for expanding on that. I'm glad some Christians here understand economics & justice. I am shocked at how often I encounter ignorance of these subjects among supposed "conservatives." Or else they support free markets only in part, when they work in their favor.

I suppose I am partly to blame for going way off topic on this thread, but I get sick of hearing uninformed attacks on "money grubbers." Economic liberty is being destroyed in our countries, yet many Christians are fanning the flames when they parrot Leftist rhetoric.

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News Item12/27/12 1:11 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Value is decided by supply and demand not what it cost to manufacture. If I have a cellphone no one is purchasing at $100, then demand is low, I need to lower the price to sell the phone. If it is a very popular phone that everybody wants, in order to meet the demand I have to raise the price in order to slow down the demand, so it can be met. The more scarce the resource the higher the price. Thus the cost of the service or product is not the main source for the actual price for which it is sold.
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News Item12/27/12 1:10 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
God is silent?
So he hasn't warned people about unjust selling? There is no commandment concerning making huge, excessive profits?
Show me some Scripture then, proving what an unjust price is, instead of acting outraged about my statements. Prov. 20 speaks of the buyer, not the seller, so why do you think that proves anything here? No text you've cited so far answers my question. You seem to confuse high prices with vendor fraud. They are different issues. ANY price is just so long as both parties agree to it & there is no vendor deception.
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News Item12/27/12 12:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Oh yes I do. more than you know. And I see it right here, Christians inventing commandments on subjects where God is silent. Your little fables are irrelevant (the mechanic is a cheat, not what I'm talking about), & Prov. 20:14 is a commentary on pride, not prices.
Contrary to Adam Smith (whose "Wealth of Nations" I've been reading of late), a product's worth is not what it cost to make, but solely what buyers are willing to pay for it, a consequence of negotiated prices. "True worth" is a myth.
God is silent?

So he hasn't warned people about unjust selling? There is no commandment concerning making huge, excessive profits? Wow you're sure going to be surprised at the Bema, when Jesus opens up the corruption in businesses.

Is there any difference between Al (free enterprise) Capone and Joe (the fishman) Bloggs who sells fish beyond the safe date for eating?

The mechanic is a cheat, and THAT is what I am talking about. Proverbs 20:14, being paraphrased, is not primarily about sinful pride. It is "Well, it is not worth a great deal on today's market, but I'll give you such and such." Then, when he gets back to his office, it is, "Ha! Another sucker!"

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News Item12/27/12 12:24 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Neil, do you ever leave your house and view the world and its evils?
Oh yes I do. more than you know. And I see it right here, Christians inventing commandments on subjects where God is silent. Now THAT stinks of hell! Your little stories are irrelevant (the mechanic is a cheat, not what I'm talking about), & Prov. 20:14 is a commentary on pride, not prices.

Contrary to Adam Smith (whose "Wealth of Nations" I've been reading of late), a product's worth is not what it cost to make, but solely what buyers are willing to pay for it, a consequence of negotiated prices (cf. Matt. 20:1-15). "True worth" is a myth, a puff of vapor.

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News Item12/27/12 12:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
I say there is NO SUCH THING as an unfair price in Scripture...
Neil, do you ever leave your house and view the world and its evils?

Proverbs 20:14 KJV
14 It is naught, it is naught, saith the buyer: but when he is gone his way, then he boasteth.

Try selling anything, your car, boat, whatever. You will find you will be offered far less than its true worth.

Another example:
A man goes into a garage with a misfire on his car. The mechanic looks at it, prescribes a new coil, fits it and gives him the little bill.

A young woman goes into a garage with a misfire on her car. The mechanic scratches his head, says it will probably need a new cambelt, distributor, coil, ignition leads and new spark plugs. He has the car for two days while he fits a new coil, and when she comes back she is presented with a massive bill.

Stinks of hell!!

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News Item12/27/12 11:47 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
A helpful word from God is found here:
James 4:13-16 KJV

I do not know if this is correct; the Bible does not give any idea of markup. Do you have an idea Neil? I sure would like to hear it.
But if someone bought in at ten dollars and sold for 100, they are a crook.
I"m quite familiar with Jas. 4, but it does not answer my last post, nor is it opposed to profitable free enterprise. The issue is presumption of God's providence, not desire of gain, which even beggars must have to stay alive.

I'm asking YOU what YOUR basis for judging markup is, for I say there is NO SUCH THING as an unfair price in Scripture, so long as buyer & seller negotiate it together freely. Which is why you have no basis for your final statement; it is purely subjective, which is what I suspected all along.

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News Item12/27/12 11:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
A helpful word from God is found here:

James 4:13-16 KJV
13 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
15 For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.
16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

As an aside, I believe the commandment "thou shalt not covet" is most relevant to the discussion. As is the "food and clothing - therewith content" passage.

What is the great evil of our day but greed? May none of us have such a horrible thing dwelling in our bosom.

Neil wrote:
So is that your answer, 150%? You couched it in a story, which is confusing. Am I to think then that anything higher is sinful, anything less is not? And on what authority do you base this figure?
I do not know if this is correct; the Bible does not give any idea of markup. Do you have an idea Neil? I sure would like to hear it.

But if someone bought in at ten dollars and sold for 100, they are a crook.

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News Item12/27/12 11:38 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Neil, just to illumine you, when you ask for a percentage, you are asking for a markup. Like 150%.
So is that your answer, 150%? You couched it in a story, which is confusing. Am I to think then that anything higher is sinful, anything less is not? And on what authority do you base this figure? Scripture? Karl Marx?
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News Item12/27/12 11:21 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
If I own a business, that means I am putting my capital at risk to make a profit. I have no guarantee that anyone will part with their money to get my product or services. I am not in business to make jobs, give insurance, help the needy, I am there to make a profit. If, in order to obtain that goal I need to hire help, my business creates jobs to help me make a profit. If in order to get an employee I need to offer benefits, my business offers benefits to help me make a profit. I want investors so I need to show that I can make money selling my product or services. If I do shoddy work, charge over what the market will bear, disrespect my customers, I will eventually go out of business (unless of course the government bails me out) The government, of course , can regulate me out of business, but it is in my interest to deliver the best product at the most affordable price. Prices will be affected by supply and demand. Free enterprise works, especially if government stays out of the way.
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News Item12/27/12 10:55 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
I'm looking for a simple integer percentage....
Neil, just to illumine you, when you ask for a percentage, you are asking for a markup. Like 150%.

If you want to know dollar profit, you ask for the profit margin - in dollars.

Now because you asked for a percentage, I gave you the markup, and you haven't stopped complaining ever since.

Do you have a headache?

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News Item12/27/12 10:38 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
You saying you can't do math? I gave you the markup, now you work out the profit margin.

Ahh....someone who knows what I'm talking about, and takes the truly Christian viewpoint.

John UK, you either have some cognitive problem, or are dishonest. I asked plainly what an “enormous“ or excessive profit is, not how it is calculated! And I to clarify, I mean the maximum. Is it 1%, 50%, 1000%, or what? And is that gross, or net? You're a businessman, you should know what I mean.

I think you're just playing diversionary games to avoid answering my simple question.

“Republic“ either hasn't read Matt. 20:1-15, or doesn't get its implications. It sounds like a Strawman; I've never heard of a retailer adjusting his prices to customers arbitrarily, unless haggling is taking place, which isn't sinful (The False Balance prohibition in Scripture only forbids cheating customers by giving them less than what they agreed to). And it doesn't answer my question to John UK anyway.

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News Item12/27/12 7:25 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Republic, I am a small business owner as well. I'm one of the few, I'm sure, who keeps my prices straight across the board, no matter what I know the home/business owner may be able to afford. I could easily price my services according to perceived wealth, but I never have. I charge 30% less, on average, than my competetors which has worked out pretty well. We end up doing more volume, and still make more, on average, because the work is done in half the time.
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News Item12/27/12 4:20 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
All that proves is that you can do math as well as cook up stories. Please stop disgressing, & tell me what a righteous profit margin is. It's a simple question that does not require a paragraph to answer.
You saying you can't do math? I gave you the markup, now you work out the profit margin.

Republic wrote:
I own a business. "A workman is worthy of his hire." The Lord hates dishonest scales. I can get $5 from one man for a shirt. I can get $8 from the next guy for the same shirt, and $15 from the next guy. $5 is what it cost me after all needed profit is accounted for. If I tell the guy the shirt is $15 just because I think that I can get it out if him, is that fair wages and honest scales if I tell the next guy $8? True capitalism would say yes, conscience would say no.
Ahh....someone who knows what I'm talking about, and takes the truly Christian viewpoint.
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News Item12/27/12 3:26 AM
Republic  Find all comments by Republic
I own a business. "A workman is worthy of his hire." The Lord hates dishonest scales. I can get $5 from one man for a shirt. I can get $8 from the next guy for the same shirt, and $15 from the next guy. $5 is what it cost me after all needed profit is accounted for. If I tell the guy the shirt is $15 just because I think that I can get it out if him, is that fair wages and honest scales if I tell the next guy $8? True capitalism would say yes, conscience would say no.
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News Item12/27/12 12:59 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Thank you Neil, that is a great complement.
Now then, integers. The man has a wholesale warehouse. He buys in British made pullovers and his costs per pullover work out at £10.00. And so, marking up 150% he sells them on to retailers at £25.00 They in turn have to mark up 150% and put them in the shop at £62.50.
All that proves is that you can do math as well as cook up stories. Please stop disgressing, & tell me what a righteous profit margin is. It's a simple question that does not require a paragraph to answer.
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