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MONDAY, DEC 3, 2012  |  71 comments
Christmas Under Intense Attack This Holiday Season

The holiday season is here again, and with it has come the predictable attacks on Nativity scenes, Christmas trees — and Charlie Brown? That's right, Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown, the theatrical adaptation of a Peanuts holiday cartoon children and families have enjoyed for years, is under attack from an atheist group that caught wind that an elementary school in Little Rock, Arkansas, was going to take some of its students to see the play at a local church.

According to the Christian Post, teachers at Little Rock's Terry Elementary School sent a letter home duly warning parents that the play at nearby Agape Church might “expose your child to Christianity,” so “if you prefer your child to not attend the program they may stay at school.”

While the musical's storyline, which finds Peanuts mainstay Charlie Brown in search of the true meaning of Christmas, can hardly be termed an overt promotion of ...


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Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
unlettered peasant wrote:
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1. To be affluent one must have much money or much wealth, I have a negative net worth. This disqualifies me from being affluent regardless of whatever comparisons you would desire to make.
2. One may be as poor as a junkyard dog and still be able to teach their child to read, write and add. Wealth or lack of wealth does not qualify nor disqualify a parent from their obligation to train up a child in the way they should go. Your belief that one can only teach children if one is wealthy is an offense to parents everywhere who fight to do so with meager means.

Faith is not merely the faith that gains eternal salvation. One can have faith and yet lack or lose faith...

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. " - Heb 3:12

I indeed have a theology that includes works...

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." - James 2:18

...but the foundation of my faith is the free gift of eternal salvation by the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

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News Item12/5/12 7:04 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
unlettered peasant wrote:
1. Compared with many in this world yes you are.
2. "Lack of wealth" ie poverty is one of the trials and tribulations which God provides to some of His children in this life. Your description and decision on the quote "lack of faith" is an insult to many suffering servants of Christ in the world.
It appears that you consider parental education as a qualification for "faith" - This is both unBiblical and deceitful. Your theology seems to stem from works based religion. It would be better that you trust in God, not in mans works, whichever mortal does the work.
"James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?"
I was just thinking along the same lines that Rufus must have a works based theology if Rufus believes that Born Again Christians who celebrate the Birth of Our Lord Jesus will lose their salvation.

Rufus, One who is Born Again can't lose their salvation because they may sin. One who is Born Again and sins the Bible states only has to ask Jesus for forgiveness and they are instantly forgiven.

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News Item12/5/12 5:53 PM
unlettered peasant  Find all comments by unlettered peasant
Rufus wrote:
I am not affluent

Saying it can't be done because of lack of wealth is a crutch and presents a lack of faith. If God said it, do it and watch it be blessed.

1. Compared with many in this world yes you are.

2. "Lack of wealth" ie poverty is one of the trials and tribulations which God provides to some of His children in this life. Your description and decision on the quote "lack of faith" is an insult to many suffering servants of Christ in the world.

It appears that you consider parental education as a qualification for "faith" - This is both unBiblical and deceitful. Your theology seems to stem from works based religion. It would be better that you trust in God, not in mans works, whichever mortal does the work.

"James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?"

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News Item12/5/12 3:57 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Okay, thanks Rufus. I thought you were saying that since they would not be captured up during the rapture that they would be lost...forever.
As for drinking, by the way, I don't see the point or the need and think it's just safer to refrain since it tends to lower any normal inhibitions.
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News Item12/5/12 12:55 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks for all that, Rufus. I'm with you on most of that. I guess where I would differ a bit, until I know better, is on the unprofitable servant. Paul was always worried about not finishing the race or not doing things right/doing enough. I take that to mean that he was concerned about losing his rewards in Heaven as opposed to possibly losing his salvation....
Paul had no cause to be concerned about his his eternal salvation for he was bought by the blood of Jesus Christ, this is a free gift of God given freely by faith. But, as you rightly point out Paul was concerned about finishing the race and not being castaway. If one runs the race properly, he receives a prize (not a gift). If one does not finish their course, if one engages in unrepentant exclusionary sins, I believe one can be cast away temporarily, though he be saved eternally.

"If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." - 1 Corinthians 3:15

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News Item12/5/12 12:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rufus wrote:
That would be a text I would consider but the examples are many. I suspect the one I had most in mind at the time was...
"The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." - Luke 12:46
I believe this text demonstrates clearly that a servant is a believer and for that believer's transgressions he will get his portion with the unbelievers.
My guess is that the parable of the sower clearly demonstrates.
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News Item12/5/12 12:20 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
John UK wrote:
Interesting Rufus.
Matthew 25:30 KJV
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Was that the text you were thinking of?
And then we have:
Luke 17:10 KJV
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
That would be a text I would consider but the examples are many. I suspect the one I had most in mind at the time was...

"The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." - Luke 12:46

I believe this text demonstrates clearly that a servant is a believer and for that believer's transgressions he will get his portion with the unbelievers.

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News Item12/5/12 9:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rufus wrote:
Saying it can't be done because of lack of wealth is a crutch and presents a lack of faith. If God said it, do it and watch it be blessed.
I am teaching myself at home, getting books from the library, and DVD's. Better than going to art college.
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News Item12/5/12 8:13 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
unlettered peasant wrote:
Sounds as though you live in an afffluent middle class community and position.
Poverty and lack of education is not unusual in the circumstances of many Christians.
We live in a fallen world from which God saves His children. The fact that we have "fallen" schools is no surprise and God saves His children from that life too.
"Correct" education is not a necessary qualification for Christian adulthood and life in Christ.
I am not affluent, I do not have a great deal of money, yet I am well taken care of by a good God. I have made a choice that instead of sacrificing my children's souls to public education I have instead sacrificed my wife's $35k a year income.

Family training is performed by rich families and poor families alike. Rich people sacrifice their children to public schools the same way poor people do. The public education church did not rise to great power until the 1800s, prior to this, rich and poor found a way to educate their children and as public schools have increased our collective intelligence has decreased.

Saying it can't be done because of lack of wealth is a crutch and presents a lack of faith. If God said it, do it and watch it be blessed.

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News Item12/5/12 7:42 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
If I'm wrong on any of this or have things twisted, please let me know.
Also Rufus, I thought most Christians believed in most of that stuff.
Premillenial...first, the rapture, then the tribulation/Armageddon, then Christ's thousand year reign, then after Satan is loosed and defeated, the great white throne judgement? Is that how it goes?
Here's what's amazing to me: here we are with Christ himself ruling the Earth and everything has been made perfect(?) and we are in our glorified bodies(?) Satan is loosed and he is able to gather yet another army against God. People are literally seeing and experiencing God/Jesus Christ on Earth, they experienced the rapture, they experienced the great war, undoubtedly saw a lot of spiritual, out of this world events, sightings, etc., and yet, they take sides with Satan once again when he is loosed. How is that possible given what they have experienced and how in the world do they think they can overthrow God almighty??
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News Item12/5/12 7:17 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks for all that, Rufus. I'm with you on most of that. I guess where I would differ a bit, until I know better, is on the unprofitable servant. Paul was always worried about not finishing the race or not doing things right/doing enough. I take that to mean that he was concerned about losing his rewards in Heaven as opposed to possibly losing his salvation.
The other thing is that, during the rapture, all believers, period, will be gather up into the sky and changed in the twinkling of an eye.
I'm on the fence with Christmas if it's observed as the Lord's birthday. The reasons are because of how it was ok for David to eat the showbread, which was unlawful, and it was ok for (Paul?) To eat the meat sacrificed to idols. I think it's the purpose that we put into it.
I'm pretty sure I agree with the rest. Here's another good place for me to mention, "but what do I know?"
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News Item12/5/12 6:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rufus wrote:
I believe unprofitable Christians can be cut asunder and get their portion with the unbelievers at the Judgment Seat of Christ, the majority believe the JSOC will be a picnic for all believers.
Interesting Rufus.

Matthew 25:30 KJV
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Was that the text you were thinking of?

And then we have:

Luke 17:10 KJV
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

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News Item12/4/12 10:46 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, Texas  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Christopher000 wrote:
In what ways, Rufus?
I believe the King James Bible to be the perfectly preserved word of God, the majority of professed Christians believers do not.
I am a premillenialist, the majority are not.
I believe in the rapture of faithful believers, the majority do not believe in a rapture.
The majority of those that believe in a rapture believe all believers will be rapture, I believe in a partial rapture of those that are counted worthy.
I believe unprofitable Christians can be cut asunder and get their portion with the unbelievers at the Judgment Seat of Christ, the majority believe the JSOC will be a picnic for all believers.
I believe it is sinful to consume alcohol, the majority of believers have no issue with this.
I believe it is a shame for men to have long hair and it is a shame for women to chop off their glory, the majority of Christian women butcher their hair.
There's much more but getting back to this thread, I believe it is straight up sin to send a son or daughter to be indoctrinated by the state, secular, humanist church called public education, the majority do this.
And finally, I believe the Bible commands against observing pagan customs such as Christ Mass, the majority ignore this instruction.
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News Item12/4/12 5:44 PM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameFind all comments by Scott McMahan
The Julian calendar had technical problems that were reformed in the Gregorian calendar. One problem was accounting for extraneous time in leap years, which caused the calendar to "lose time". This eventually caused the Julian calendar to get out of sync with the seasons. By the 16th century, the calendar had to be "patched" by adding a leap week.

(Incidentally, this is why I was incredulous about Harold Camping's date calculations down to a precise day in 2011, since he apparently had no idea that the calendar system had changed in the 16th century and his calculations didn't account for the leap week.)

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News Item12/4/12 5:22 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rufus wrote:
God did not command his people to train up their children and then not grant them the ability to do it.
To whom much is given, much will be expected. God commands the richer believers to assist the poorer believers; he even gives them the ability to do it, but very few take the opportunity. In my experience it is the poorer who help the poorer; maybe it is because God grants them a deeper faith than the wealthy. Of course, in this sense then they are richer than the richer. And when they try to assist the richer with their greater riches, they are often turned down and the nose goes up in the air, as if to say, "Huh! Peasant! Get back into your bolthole!"

But then, God shows he is no respecter of persons: Peter and Paul were the two main apostles, Peter the Unlearned, and Paul the One who sat at Gamaliel's Feet. We read from both of them day by day, and what a joy it is to read the Authorised Version of 1769, the inspired and inerrant word of The Living God.

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News Item12/4/12 4:46 PM
unlettered peasant  Find all comments by unlettered peasant
Rufus wrote:
Keeping your child home from state indoctrination is free. The majority of Christian adults know how to read, write and perform arithmetic. If an adult parent knows how to do these things that parent can train their child, it is not hard.
Sounds as though you live in an afffluent middle class community and position.
Poverty and lack of education is not unusual in the circumstances of many Christians.

We live in a fallen world from which God saves His children. The fact that we have "fallen" schools is no surprise and God saves His children from that life too.
"Correct" education is not a necessary qualification for Christian adulthood and life in Christ.

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News Item12/4/12 4:27 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Most Christians worldwide disagree with me on most things...it means little in an apostate age.

Oops...this is what my question was concerning.

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News Item12/4/12 4:26 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
In what ways, Rufus? I made a pledge to myself to never compromise the word of God, to always verify what I hear, as the Bereans, so I do not get sucked into nonsense, and to always take the Bible literally with the exceptions of obvious allegories, etc.
I'll bet I'd agree with you on quite a bit. Even on things that might seem over the top to some because I don't think many Christians take the smaller details of sin seriously enough.
By the way, I don't watch the Olympics...ha-ha.
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News Item12/4/12 4:06 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
unlettered peasant wrote:
Then you are establishing that ALL Christians are provided with the time, education and wherewithal to teach their children.
There are many Christians worldwide which disagree with that idea because of the life and circumstance which God has placed them in.
...and you are establishing that most Christians were not provided with the time education and wherewithal to train up their children in the way they should go.

Most Christians worldwide disagree with me on most things...it means little in an apostate age.

Keeping your child home from state indoctrination is free. The majority of Christian adults know how to read, write and perform arithmetic. If an adult parent knows how to do these things that parent can train their child, it is not hard.

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News Item12/4/12 3:36 PM
unlettered peasant  Find all comments by unlettered peasant
Rufus wrote:
God did not command his people to train up their children and then not grant them the ability to do it.
Then you are establishing that ALL Christians are provided with the time, education and wherewithal to teach their children.

There are many Christians worldwide which disagree with that idea because of the life and circumstance which God has placed them in.

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