I received a package in the mail last week from a Roman Catholic woman in our area. We have never met, but she thought I could use a little booklet entitled, "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth." It was published by Catholic Answers. (www.catholic.com) This group is "the largest Catholic apologetics and evangelization organization in North America." They obviously have tremendous zeal to spread Catholic teachings to others. In fact, there are 5 million copies of this booklet in print.
"Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth" is very revealing. It was written by people who have been thoroughly immersed in Catholic doctrine. It states, "We are lay people devoting our full-time efforts to promoting the Catholic faith." The booklet has been endorsed and declared "free of doctrinal errors" by Roman Catholic theologians, but laid out in simple terms.
I was especially interested in the way they described the...
John Y, What saith the Scriptures,.."What communion has light with darkness? what part has a believer with an unbeliever? what agreement has the temple of God with idols? Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord you cannot be partakers of the LORD's table and the table of devils And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth." No one that I have seen has ever said that church membership is a requirement to go to heaven, that is a straw man, they have all said that if you say you walk in truth why do you stay in a church that teaches heretical doctrine and preaches a gospel that the Scripture teaches that the person who does so is not saved but accursed. The only logical reason would be that you assume to leave it would have an effect on your eternal destiny (which is another Roman Catholic lie). The Bible reminds us that by our fruits we shall be known, and one of the fruits of grace in the heart of a redeemed one is that they hate every false way. May God grant you repentance
redmanj4, you didn't give any url or hint where this book may be picked up? Anyway, for a short course about Catholicism
James G. McCarthy wrote: ...Catholicism isnât any different from most other religions. Whether it is Islam, Hinduism, a mixture of Chinese religions, or one of the Christian sects such as Mormonism or the Jehovah Witnesses, most religions are basically the same. Like Roman Catholicism, they all teach: Live a good life here on earth and you have a pretty good chance of enjoying blessing in the next life.
Matthew 7 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'---NASB
Anyone aiding and abetting the Romish Church, and has been exposed to as much truth about it as you, John Y., and still stays in this anti-Christian organization is not only unsaved, but condemned to hell because you refuse to Come out of the Catholic Church has rejected Christ.
Your sins are not so much as those omission, but of commission, terms which you should be familiar with. You can be certain of one thing John Y., under your present circumstances you are not saved. The The Catholic Way of Salvation condemns people to hell.
Pay attention to Michael H. who is an ex-Catholic and present Christian!
Michael Hranek wrote: John Yurich It a person is not Saved by God, from their sins unto righteousness, and Saved for God to be His own and walk with Him forever that person not saved by God can have all sorts FALSE assurance of Salvation, especially picking and choosing whatever evangelical doctrines they like to give lip service to BUT that their own disobedience to God ought to cry out is FALSE from the depths of their own conscience if they would only let it do so.
If someone embraces Jesus Christ as their Personal Lord and Savior by asking Him to become their Savior and Lord then they are saved irrespective of the church they attend as long as the church they attend worships Jesus as God. When everybody stands before Jesus after they pass away He will not look at the church that they attended in determining who will gain entrance into Heaven. He will only look at if they had embraced Him as their Savior and Lord. And if any of you Evangelical Protestants on here state that Jesus will look at the church that one attended in determining who will gain entrance into Heaven they you guys believe a false doctrine. The Bible is very explicit that the ONLY requirement for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven is to embrace Jesus as Savior and Lor
An interesting observation here is that both the late Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa are reported as having no assurance of Salvation at the times of their death despite being in all human appearence outstanding examples of devout Roman Catholics
Of course they couldn't because in the (humor here) the words of the Great Southern Theologian Skeeter Davis, all our good works, the very best of human good works and efforts:
Won't be enough to buy a single drop of blood Jesus shed for us.
jpw wrote: So Catholics are not alone in struggle to hold onto Maryology or whatever it may be. and you may get some here, who think its about being "Protestant" that saves them and in their folly, you may see their weaknesses
Your quote, "folly" "idol" and "weakness" appears to be that you contrive to frame the heresy of Roman with all other denominations. However that is beyond the purpose of God in history as illustrated by the Reformation. Again the Roman Catholics could be perceived to be the Pharisees of their day by virtue of their similarities in religious error. But God's purpose is to highlight sin and hersesy and make light manifest in darkness. Thus your forming papist unBiblical practices as idols analogous to Protestant devotions is besides being wrong, a misguided view of true church and worship. You have given too much credence to Rome.
everyone must shed their idols. God can do this for anyone who asks. In fact, it was His idea in the first place!
There is no room for another. There is only one Kingdom that will last, and our idols cannot come with us.
When Christ purifies his church, it is to show His people the folly of their idols so that they may leave them.
Those who carry their idols closely tend to fare better in days of communism, statism, fascism and other forms of consolidating of power, because they can follow that system and somehow in their minds think they are following God in their success, even while making a mockery of the 10 Commandments.
So Catholics are not alone in struggle to hold onto Maryology or whatever it may be. and you may get some here, who think its about being "Protestant" that saves them and in their folly, you may see their weaknesses. But it doesn't change the image in my mind of the pope sitting in front of the wooden mural of the abyss. The M over the previous popes casket (where he still is whereas Christ's tomb is empty).
You'll find many believers have left state churches already and more will continue to do so if their pastors work harder to hold their coorporation church together than the coorporate church.
John Yurich USA wrote: If a Catholic accepts the Evangelical Protestant doctrine that salvation comes only through embracing Jesus Christ as ones Personal Lord and Savior and embraces Jesus Christ as their Personal Lord and Savior then a Catholic can have assurance of salvation
'IF' A Roman Catholic is elect and saved by God then they will leave the evil idolatrous witness of the papal antichrist and join a real Christian church.
Thus will they reject and remove their lives from graven images and blasphemous practices as practiced by Satan's pagan Roman Catholic religious fallacy.
2John 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
John Yurich It a person is not Saved by God, from their sins unto righteousness, and Saved for God to be His own and walk with Him forever
that person not saved by God can have all sorts FALSE assurance of Salvation, especially picking and choosing whatever evangelical doctrines they like to give lip service to BUT that their own disobedience to God ought to cry out is FALSE from the depths of their own conscience if they would only let it do so.
If a Catholic accepts the Evangelical Protestant doctrine that salvation comes only through embracing Jesus Christ as ones Personal Lord and Savior and embraces Jesus Christ as their Personal Lord and Savior then a Catholic can have assurance of salvation. Also a Catholic after they have embraced Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord does not have to leave the Catholic Church and unite with an Evangelical Protestant Church in order to be saved because there is only one requirement for salvation and that is to embrace Jesus Christ as ones Personal Lord and Savior. Church membership is totally superfluous to ones salvation. There is nothing in the Bible that states that church membership is required for salvation. So for all you Evangelical Protestants on here who keep espousing that anybody who becomes Born Again has to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and unite with an Evangelical Protestant Church in order to be saved you Evangelical Protestants are espousing a false doctrine.
Years ago I read "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth" and honestly have to admit IMHO it is one of the greatest works of deception, disinformation, a missrepresentation of the Truth of Scripture, a propaganda piece for the false church of Rome, her Popes and the relgion of Maryolotry, RC Sacraments and their (so called) Sacred Tradition I have ever seen, preying upon the emotions and mind of men.
For the born again child of God who by the Spirit has learned the Truth from God Himself in His Holy Written Word, it ought to break our hearts for Catholic people AND make us weep in intercession for their Salvation, because it (POF, POT) tells us sincere, adament, unrepentant Roman Catholic people have full assurance of being cast into the eternal hell, for their sins against God, His Truth and the Lord Jesus Christ they pretend to believe in, love and serve.
Also it ought to make us weep in intercession for Christian groups and ministries so called who decieve themselves that Roman Catholics are fellow Christians and thus fail wretchedly to witness the Truth of Scripture to them and do all we might rightfully do to see God bring them to Salvation.
I think I will go pray and cry out to God for His mercy that He might see fit to use me in such witness for them and others.
J. D. C. Fisher writes, âThus in order not to contradict his assertion that the sacraments could not confer grace unless there were faith in the recipients, Luther was forced to contend that in some sense infants could have faith [assurance of salvation]. But his argument is not wholly convincing, and seems to attribute to the baptism of an infant an objective efficaciousness inconsistent with what he said elsewhere about the necessity of personal faith,â Christian Initiation: the Reformation Period (Chicago: Hillenbrand, 2007)
"It seems as though many Catholic theologians feel that if you provide people with the assurance of salvation, you are inviting them to live a loose life of sinful pleasure. While there are no doubt some misguided people who attempt to follow that approach, it is not something that is taught in the Bible...and it is not something that will result in a person being saved...and it is not the teaching of Bible Christians. Salvation comes to those who repent and believe the good news...and who have been made a new creation in Christ, (2 Cor. 5:17) and not to those who say certain Christian words while intending to make sin their master rather than Christ."
âSo can Catholics have the assurance of salvation? YesâŠ.but only when they believe what the Bible teaches about salvation.â
I thought this fellow did a good job of exposing some of the false teachings of Rome regarding, grace and justification, but Iâm not sure why he would make the above statement. I would think he would have said that anyone who understands the true gospel must leave the RCC. It appears he is saying that someone can have and understand the gospel, but then worship with the false church. Sounds a lot like the Billy Graham ministry which is being exposed more and more today. Maybe I will research this fellowâs ministry more to see where he is coming from.