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The coming evangelical collapse
Oneida, Ky. - We are on the verge – within 10 years – of a major collapse of evangelical Christianity. This breakdown will follow the deterioration of the mainline Protestant world and it will fundamentally alter the religious and cultural environment in the West.

Within two generations, evangelicalism will be a house deserted of half its occupants. (Between 25 and 35 percent of Americans today are Evangelicals.) In the "Protestant" 20th century, Evangelicals flourished. But they will soon be living in a very secular and religiously antagonistic 21st century.

This collapse will herald the arrival of an anti-Christian chapter of the post-Christian West. Intolerance of Christianity will rise to levels many of us have not believed possible in our lifetimes, and public policy will become hostile toward evangelical Christianity, seeing it as the opponent of the common good. ...


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News Item4/26/09 5:20 PM
prince charles | wales  Find all comments by prince charles
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Yep, no biblical world view...no biblical view period! When you have such silliness as "evangelists" saying God told them to hit somebody for healing, it's no wonder. What a disgrace and false spirit and I never would have thought I'd actually find myself in the midst of such a one until it happened today. Any strict Reformed folks want to get over here to Estonia before it is overtaken by this false movement?
sounds like a job for - creation man !
are you in estonia ? i meet quite a few on the ships
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News Item4/26/09 5:06 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Yep, no biblical world view...no biblical view period! When you have such silliness as "evangelists" saying God told them to hit somebody for healing, it's no wonder. What a disgrace and false spirit and I never would have thought I'd actually find myself in the midst of such a one until it happened today. Any strict Reformed folks want to get over here to Estonia before it is overtaken by this false movement? Hurry up. The void is big and the latest charismatic characters are raking in a harvest here of wondering souls still recovering from past oppression. We had Tod Bently claiming this "hit to heal" show and now the new one is Guy Peh(who is in Estonia at this time and who I heard today in person. As soon as he said that God told him to hit a cancer victim and he obeyed this command, I tuned out and patiently waited for the service to end.
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News Item4/13/09 4:06 PM
prince charles | wales  Find all comments by prince charles
mmm probly not christains then, the other 81% i mean, sounds about right.

thats a big problem today, christains arent distictive, to many churches are just religeous social clubs and the unsaved dont know what a christian is

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News Item4/12/09 7:01 PM
thinking in America | the internet  Find all comments by thinking in America
Faithful Remnant wrote:
No surprise, since it seems many modern evangelicals are not taught the foundations of their faith or refuse to see this as important . . .
A few days ago, Chuck Baldwin posted a good article on NewsWithViews.com -- "Few Christians Have Biblical Worldview."

www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin502.htm

Pollster, George Barna, just released a survey: among America's professing "born-again" Christians, only 19% possess a Biblical worldview.

Barna's criteria:

* Believing that absolute moral truth exists;

* Believing that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches;

* Believing that Satan is considered to be a real being or force, not merely symbolic;

* Believing that a person cannot earn their way into Heaven by trying to be good or do good works;

* Believing that God is the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the world who still rules the universe today.

In the research, anyone who held all of those beliefs was said to have a Biblical worldview. Among professing "born-again" Christians, only 19% were shown to have a Biblical worldview.

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News Item4/12/09 4:21 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
No surprise, since it seems many modern evangelicals are not taught the foundations of their faith or refuse to see this as important and value ecumenical connections with compromise. I think a lot of them simply don't know why they believe what they believe to be true and important. If I was a pastor, I'd be teaching them the important basics of evangelical/protestant doctrine: faith alone, scripture alone, grace alone, Christ alone, to the glory of God alone--why do we believe these to be true and why it is paramount to hold to these untainted with other doctrine. Instead of running to the Roman Catholic and so called Orthodox churches, we should be witnessing to them why we believe what we believe.
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News Item4/12/09 12:23 PM
Terry | Western NY State  Contact via emailFind all comments by Terry
MikeInVA wrote:
Psalm 127:1
Parallel Translations
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
A Song of Ascents, of Solomon. Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
[A song by Solomon for going up to worship.] If the LORD does not build the house, it is useless for the builders to work on it. If the LORD does not protect a city, it is useless for the guard to stay alert.
King James Bible
Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
American King James Version
Except the LORD build the house, they labor in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman wakes but in vain.
American Standard Version
Except Jehovah build the house, They labor in vain that build it: Except Jehovah keep the city, The watchman waketh but in vain.
Bible in Basic English
A Song of the going up. Of Solomon. If the Lord is not helping the builders, then the building of a house is to no purpose: if the Lord does not keep the town, the watchman keeps his watch for nothing.
Amen
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News Item3/14/09 7:30 AM
MikeInVA | Northern VA  Find all comments by MikeInVA
Psalm 127:1

Parallel Translations

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
A Song of Ascents, of Solomon. Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
[A song by Solomon for going up to worship.] If the LORD does not build the house, it is useless for the builders to work on it. If the LORD does not protect a city, it is useless for the guard to stay alert.

King James Bible
Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

American King James Version
Except the LORD build the house, they labor in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman wakes but in vain.

American Standard Version
Except Jehovah build the house, They labor in vain that build it: Except Jehovah keep the city, The watchman waketh but in vain.

Bible in Basic English
A Song of the going up. Of Solomon. If the Lord is not helping the builders, then the building of a house is to no purpose: if the Lord does not keep the town, the watchman keeps his watch for nothing.

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News Item3/12/09 2:34 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
America is bogged down in "ReLiGiOuS DENOMINATIONAL FUNK" that doesn't promote THE TRUE UNITY OF THE "FAITH" ... men are building buildings as monuments to themselves and in many cases burdening parishioners with exorbitant debt that carries with it budget-busting interest.

When "We" take a sober look at the state of the Church and America's moral decline "We" must contemplate "Our" TWO PARTY SYSTEM with discerning hearts ---- The Democrats and Republicans are in a never ending struggle for POWER AND CONTROL OVER AMERICA'S PURSE STRINGS and the sad reality is, though both parties are constantly posing and posturing to give the APPEARANCE of concern for the well-being and best interest of "We The People", THERE ARE NO TRUE PATREOTS AMONGST THEM !!!

THIS IS A RUDDERLESS SHIP, RUNNING FULL SAILS,
FILLED WITH FOOLS ROAMING THE DECKS ADORNED
IN THEIR FINERY LOOKING BUSY, BUT ACCOMPLISHING
NOTHING OF ANY INTRINSIC AND LASTING VALUE -----
NOT ONE OF THESE CLUELESS ROGUES HAS NOTICED
THE SHIP IS RUNNING OUT OF CONTROL, NO ONE HAS
EVEN APPROACH THE HELM --- THEY JUST KEEP DOING
WHAT FOOLS DO ------ PLAYING AND PRETENDING !!!

THIS IS A PEOPLE WITH NO VISION !!!

WITHOUT VISION THE PEOPLE PERISH !!!

WILL "We" REPENT !!!

Hmmm

Veritas Vincit !!!

"IN" Christ, KK

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News Item3/12/09 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Scott, has it right, except he forgot one prominent group of people who have exploited "Evangelicals" and whom "Evangelicals" let themselves be exploited by, politicians. When Christians don't want to be busy about God's business, they busy themselves with man's.

So, the numbers drop, big deal except for the likes of Rick Warren where it is a numbers game, e.g., Church Growth Gone Mad.

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News Item3/12/09 11:31 AM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
Scott McMahan wrote:

"Evangelical Christianity has turned into a merchandising and fund-raising machine over the past decade or so, and individual Christians are seen as piggy banks to be exploited. If they're not being asked to bail out ministries in crisis mode which need immediate money to keep operating, they're being sold an endless parade of books, CDs, videos, trinkets, conferences, etc. All this is done with ever more sophisticated donor profiling and tracking software. When people realize they're worth nothing to these ministries other than the money they give, why would anyone be interested in that?"

Amen, Brother!

Its not just "ministries" though. Many (most?) churches are doing the exact same thing.

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News Item3/12/09 11:14 AM
RtG  Find all comments by RtG
""Two of the beneficiaries will be the Roman Catholic and Orthodox communions. Evangelicals have been entering these churches in recent decades and that trend will continue, with more efforts aimed at the "conversion" of Evangelicals to the Catholic and Orthodox traditions.""

Same old problem! This guy doesn't know the real definition of "evangelical."

Predictions such as this emerge from modernist ideologies tainted by the liberal agenda in society.

The reason for any perceived downturn in church and religion is in God's hands and everything works for His good. The numbers game is irrelevant as Gideon found out in Judges 7.

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News Item3/12/09 8:35 AM
fuzzy logic | hot spot  Find all comments by fuzzy logic
True Christianity is about gradual holy character developed IN individuals as the love of the world is frustrated out by a loving Father. It is NOT about sympathetic personalities familiar with Jesus making life for better for mankind.

To add to Scott's point, when you get a chance, look through Christian publications in the classified section where churches post "openings" for church staff and pastors. Bible expert, teaching experience, intelligence in world issues, etc., are NOT the qualifications sought. Instead, the criteria usually focuses on fund-raising, music/drama experience, internet/technology proficiency, etc.

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News Item3/12/09 6:55 AM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Scott McMahan
In ten years, I'm sure people will remember this prediction, which is why people write stuff like this.

There's something to this, though: Evangelical Christianity has turned into a merchandising and fund-raising machine over the past decade or so, and individual Christians are seen as piggy banks to be exploited. If they're not being asked to bail out ministries in crisis mode which need immediate money to keep operating, they're being sold an endless parade of books, CDs, videos, trinkets, conferences, etc. All this is done with ever more sophisticated donor profiling and tracking software. When people realize they're worth nothing to these ministries other than the money they give, why would anyone be interested in that? This situation has gotten so crass that it's unapologetic and undisguised now. Raising money is all that matters. Individual Christians are ruthlessly exploited with quack health nonsense, pop psychology, etc. Any roots in what used to be evangelical Christianity are far gone.

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