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Pope to make first visit to U.S. in 2008
BALTIMORE — Benedict XVI will make his first visit to the USA as pope next year, going to the 9/11 Ground Zero site, addressing the United Nations and saying Masses at baseball stadiums in Washington and New York.

Nearly 300 bishops stood to applaud after the pope's U.S. representative, Apostolic Nuncio Archbishop Pietro Sambi, announced the plans Monday at the opening session of the three-day fall meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

The visit, set for April 15-20, will coincide with Benedict's 81st birthday and the third anniversary of his papal election. As a cardinal, he visited the USA twice. ...


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News Item11/20/07 4:33 AM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Lance Eccles,

In regards to God ALMIGHTY some things are understandable. Martin Luther grasped God's attribute of foreknowledge in his reply to Erasmus,"On the Enslaved Will". In reviewing Erasmus's preface, (iv)Of the necessitating foreknowledge of God (614-618)he brings forth a great truth.

"It is then fundamentally necessary and wholesome for Christians to know that GOD FOREKNOWS NOTHING CONTINGENTLY,..."

In other words simply, if God looks into future events, they then happen exactly how He foresaw them or God would not be almighty but some lesser form of a deity made in man's imagination.

Even more forceful is that God has CHOSEN the elect.

JOB 42:2

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News Item11/20/07 3:40 AM
Dr Roger Clark | Hameln  Find all comments by Dr Roger Clark
Lance Eccles wrote:
Do you expect anyone to believe that, Jessica?
You can find many more "unbelievable" reports like that; eg:- in "Near to Rome, Far from God" - by a number of "ex-priests".
One of them relates what happened in a cathedral in South America when a mouse stole a consecrated host during mass.

What´s so "unbelievable" about Jessica´s story ? As recently as 50 years back a RC friend told us it was forbidden for them to read the Bible.

But it´s to be feared that it´s all equally "unbelievable" in your opinion.

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News Item11/20/07 1:46 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Jessica Dawson wrote:
I know a woman who grew up in Mexico, she was Catholic and only the Priests were allowed to read the Bible.
Do you expect anyone to believe that, Jessica?
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News Item11/19/07 10:45 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jessica Dawson
I know a woman who grew up in Mexico, she was Catholic and only the Priests were allowed to read the Bible. She grew curious and ended up stealing a Bible from a Priest. She was amazed as she read, that God was for the people, for The Priests led them to believe that God was against the people. She didn't know that God was for her! For, if God is for us who can be against us! Praise God!

1 Corinthians 5:1-13

The Catholic Church rather than casting out Priests have been fornicators and abusers, they have protected them and reassigned them.

The King James Song - A lighter look of the control The Catholic Church had over the people, by keeping Scripture from them:

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=53984bc1e55ce4d1cc95

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News Item11/19/07 10:10 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
And even Yet Again:

Jan/2008-The Satanic-Vatican installs Their New "Black-Pope"-"Jesuit"-General in The Secreted/Occultic Walls of The Vatican.

ALERT!-The Roman "[Black]Prince That Shall Come" is said to be preparing a 7-year covenant/agreement/pact with The Nation of Israel!

Feb/2008-The U.S. Presidential Primary Elections will Take Place.

April/2008-The "'White'-Pope"-"Joseph-RATzinger-Benedict-XVI" visits 911/"Ground-Zero" in New York and Then Personally Visits with President George W. Bush.

ALERT!-It is said that Benedict Will Brief President Bush on The Future Concordat Between The Satanic-Vatican and The United States of America--To be accomplished and/or consummated before The November/2008 General U.S. Presidential Elections!

Who U.S. Americans Elect in The Presidential Primaries of Feb/2008 will Face-Off in The Presidential General-Election of Nov/2008!

ALARM!-A Pro-Satanic-Vaticanist President will only solidify U.S. Federal/National Control By The Satanic-Vatican's Globalist/Ecumenist Policies of Political/Religious--Ecclesiastical/Governmental Tyranny & Totalitarianism Over Our Once Constituional Democratic, Independent, Soverign Republic Known As The United States of America!

ALARM!-How U.S. Citizens Vote in 2008 will be VERY SERIOUS !

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News Item11/19/07 10:08 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Walt – your question some way below about free will...

This is a very deep theological question. I think that, with the help of divine grace, it is possible to avoid all sin, even the smallest. However, human nature being fallen, it would require a life-long heroic effort, and I’m sure it has never happened. (I make exception in the case of Mary, but that’s another matter.)

God may withhold his grace from certain unrepentant sinners, but they still sin through their own free will. This I accept, but don’t understand. I think St Paul discusses it somewhere.

The RCC teaches that only the undefiled may enter heaven, which may mean that most of the saved have to undergo some sort of atonement between death and entering into the presence of God, yet much of the atonement can be made here on earth through prayer and penance. (Works, I’m afraid.)

And Wayne... I wouldn’t trust anything that Boettner says about the RCC. He is renowned for his inaccuracy. I’d double check with another source.

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News Item11/19/07 7:47 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
And yet AGAIN!:

Jan/2008-The Satanic-Vatican installs Their New "'Black'-Pope"-"Jesuit"-General in The Secreted/Occultic Walls of The Vatican.

ALERT!-The Roman "[Black]Prince That Shall Come" is said to be preparing a 7-year covenant/agreement/pact with The Nation of Israel!

Feb/2008-The United States Presidential Primary Elections will Take Place.

April/2008-The "'White'-Pope"-"Joseph-RATzinger-Benedict-XVI" visits 911/"Ground-Zero" in New York and Then Personally Visits with President George W. Bush.

ALERT!-It is said that Benedict Will Brief President Bush on The Future Concordat Between The Satanic-Vatican and The United States of America--To be accomplished and/or consummated before The November/2008 General U.S. Presidential Elections!

Who U.S. Americans Elect in The Presidential Primaries of Feb/2008 will Face-Off in The Presidential General-Election of Nov/2008!

ALARM!-A Pro-Satanic-Vaticanist President will only solidify U.S. Federal/National Control By The Satanic-Vatican's Globalist/Ecumenist Policies of Political/Religious--Ecclesiastical/Governmental Tyranny & Totalitarianism Over Our Once Constituional Democratic, Independent, Soverign Republic Known As The United States of America!

ALARM!-How U.S. Citizens Vote in 2008 will be VERY SERIOUS !

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News Item11/19/07 5:01 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Dr Roger Clark wrote:
see Websters Dictionary : -
"elect.......2) chosen for salvation through divine mercy."
I have no problem with that definition.

The problem is between your Calvinist theology and my Catholic theology.

The elect are not the only ones that can be saved. How that fits with divine prescience is another matter, and not something that I could hope to understand.

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News Item11/19/07 4:05 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
Again:

And WHO says that modern 20th/21st Century Nations & States DON'T sign CONCORDATS with The Satanic-Vatican ?

"A lawyer, an ordained priest, part of the Lutheran church in Dresden, on April 29, 1997 Steffen Heitmann and Archbishop Giovanni Layola, ratified an historic Concordat signed on July 2, 1996 between the [Satanic] Vatican and the Free State of Saxony governing Church-State relations.

It is significant that this was the first Concordat between the [Satanic] Vatican and an East German state and the second one with a German state since Hitler concluded a Concordat with the Pope on 20 July, 1933, one being concluded with Lower Saxony in 1965. (In 1929 Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with the [Roman] Catholic Church, bringing into being the [Satanic] Vatican City State with full diplomatic and political power.)

While the German treaty was already concluded in 1996, 1997/98 saw Evangelical Lutherans officially reaching consensus with [Roman] Catholics regarding the doctrine of justification, a key dividing doctrine of the Reformation."--Global Politician

From "Roadmaps to Peace or Signals of Trouble" By Lorna Thomas - 4/15/2007 #1.America & Britain Divided as Europe Unites; & #8.Will Europe Seek and Find its "Soul" in "Tolerance" or in State Religion ?

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News Item11/19/07 3:57 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Fair enough, Michael. I just wasn't sure. As to your other question, well, let's just say I do think the issue is Jesus.

Michael Hranek wrote:
BYS NE
Somehow it seems you've gotten me confused with the Calvinists. I am neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian, I am a born again Christian, a Baptist, a former never to be again Roman Catholic.
So let me ask you again, are you a Roman Catholic?
The issue isn't Calvinism or Arminianism, the issue is Jesus Christ and whether or not a person knows Him and is known by Him. And of course one doesn't have to have a doctorate in theology to be saved but they do need to know the truth of Christ, what God Himself says in the Bible, not the made up lies of Tradition.
Even as Jesus Himself has said,
'Ye must be born again.'
Something that simply does not happen in infant sprinling.
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News Item11/19/07 3:56 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican | U.S.A.  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
And who says that modern 20th/21st Century Nations & States don't sign Concordats with The Satanic-Vatican?

Observe:

"A lawyer, an ordained priest, part of the Lutheran church in Dresden, on April 29, 1997 Steffen Heitmann and Archbishop Giovanni Layola, ratified an historic Concordat signed on July 2, 1996 between the [Satanic] Vatican and the Free State of Saxony governing Church-State relations.

It is significant that this was the first Concordat between the [Satanic] Vatican and an East German state and the second one with a German state since Hitler concluded a Concordat with the Pope on 20 July, 1933, one being concluded with Lower Saxony in 1965. (In 1929 Mussolini signed the Lateran Treaty with the [Roman] Catholic Church, bringing into being the [Satanic] Vatican City State with full diplomatic and political power.)

While the German treaty was already concluded in 1996, 1997/98 saw Evangelical Lutherans officially reaching consensus with [Roman] Catholics regarding the doctrine of justification, a key dividing doctrine of the Reformation."--Global Politician

From "Roadmaps to Peace or Signals of Trouble" By Lorna Thomas - 4/15/2007 #1.America & Britain Divided as Europe Unites; & #8.Will Europe Seek and Find its "Soul" in "Tolerance" or in State Religion?

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News Item11/19/07 3:07 PM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
AntiVaticanistAmerican said

"ALERT ! It is said that Benedict Will Brief President Bush on The Future Concordat Between The Satanic-Vatican and The United States of America -- To be accomplished and/or consummated before The November/2008 General U.S. Presidential Elections!"
_____

We live in very perilous times. Our future does not look good. We are on the brink of "THE GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD". We need to make our calling and election sure and pray, pray, pray! The time is short and many souls are slipping into Hell.

In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers
Abigail

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News Item11/19/07 1:52 PM
AntiVaticanistAmerican  Find all comments by AntiVaticanistAmerican
Again:

Jan/2008: The Satanic-Vatican installs Their New "'Black'-Pope"-"Jesuit"-General in The Secreted/Occultic Walls of The Vatican.

ALERT ! The Roman "[Black]Prince That Shall Come" is said to be preparing a 7-year covenant/agreement/pact with The Nation of Israel!

Feb/2008: The United States Presidential Primary Elections will Take Place.

April/2008: The "'White'-Pope"-"Joseph-RATzinger-Benedict-XVI" visits 911/"Ground-Zero" in New York and Then Personally Visits with President George W. Bush.

ALERT ! It is said that Benedict Will Brief President Bush on The Future Concordat Between The Satanic-Vatican and The United States of America -- To be accomplished and/or consummated before The November/2008 General U.S. Presidential Elections!

Who U.S. Americans Elect in The Presidential Primaries of Feb/2008 will Face-Off in The Presidential General-Election of Nov/2008!

ALARM ! A Pro-Satanic-Vaticanist President will only solidify U.S. Federal/National Control By The Satanic-Vatican's Globalist/Ecumenist Policies of Political/Religious--Ecclesiastical/Governmental Tyranny & Totalitarianism Over Our Once Constituional Democratic, Independent, Soverign Republic Known As The United States of America!

ALARM ! How U.S. Citizens Vote in 2008 will be Very Serious !

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News Item11/19/07 12:11 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
This would bless anyone caught in the catholic web of deceit, this gentleman spent 30 years of his life as a Roman catholic...
As a Roman Catholic for over 30 years, I was taught from the Catechism that salvation was by faith plus baptism, the sacraments, good works, law keeping, the sacrifice of the Mass, indulgences, purgatory and penance. According to God's word this is another gospel that leaves Catholics with a false hope. Only when Catholics trust the Lord Jesus Christ as their all-sufficient savior will they know they are saved completely and forever! MikeGendron- www.pro-gospel.org
You can hear him speak on the catholic faith at olivetreeministries.org
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News Item11/19/07 11:17 AM
Wayne M. | B.C., Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Lance,

The extreme hypocrisy of the RC Church on the marriage/divorce subject is amazing if one looks into it a little.

While the Romish church does not recognize divorce even on biblical grounds, even in countries where the civil law recognizes it, "the RC church grants annulments on the basis of excuses so flimsy that they would not be given serious consideration in a civil court." (from Roman Catholicism by Lorraine Boettner)

While the RC church makes great pretenses of being pro-family and against divorce, the RC Canon Law says that a marriage can be declared "annuled" (as if it never existed) 'if one party joins a non-Catholic sect; or educates the offspring as non-Catholics.' Boettner says this rule is so sweeping that a Catholic parent, in some cases, can get a complete annulment, if the other parent sends a child to an American public school without the priest's permission.

The Popish church has such mind control over it's people that they believe anyone who is divorced and remarried is living in adultery regardless of the fact that the divorce was on biblical grounds (Matt.5:32; 19:9). Yet they gladly accept the unbiblical annulment of marriages, one excuse being that one party claims they never actually consented to full marriage. What an abomination! Rev.17

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News Item11/19/07 11:03 AM
Dr Roger Clark | Germny  Find all comments by Dr Roger Clark
Lance Eccles wrote:
No, English is my first language.
The problem is with your definition of the "elect": "Those, whom God knew would/will be saved by this Grace are called the elect."
see Websters Dictionary : -
"elect.......2) chosen for salvation through divine mercy."

Think again please - logically.

As one of G.K.Chesterton´s Father Brown once said : -

"you attacked logic, that´s bad theology."

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News Item11/19/07 8:06 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Lance Eccles wrote:
No, English is my first language.
The problem is with your definition of the "elect": "Those, whom God knew would/will be saved by this Grace are called the elect."
Lance
I am sorry to say it hardly matters if your definition of election is right or wrong since at its core the Roman Catholic Religion has made God and Jesus Christ to be something less than and quite different from how God Himself in Scripture reveals Himself to be.

Being a Roman Catholic you should already know this because Catholics are not taught by your "church" to trust in the LORD with all their heart and to believe in Jesus Christ for the free gift of eternal life but to trust mainly in the Roman Catholic Mary, Sacraments, their own sufferings, indulgences, etc. etc. etc.

It might be safe to say if devote people could ever live so good as to merit heaven those sincere devote Catholic people would certainly be at the top of the list...and yet for all they've done it would still not merit a single drop of blood that Jesus willingly shed for them and if anything refusing to trust in Him for the free gift of eternal life trying to make themselves good enough would actually be an enormous insult to His grace.

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News Item11/19/07 7:55 AM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
Dr. Clark, thanks for drawing Lance out into the open and clearly revealing his heresy. The muddied “logic” of the RC religion does away with “No man CAN come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him” (John 6:44a). They teach “Can, too!”.
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News Item11/19/07 7:40 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Dr Roger Clark wrote:
Lance Eccles,
apparently you have a language problem.
No, English is my first language.

The problem is with your definition of the "elect": "Those, whom God knew would/will be saved by this Grace are called the elect."

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News Item11/19/07 7:31 AM
Dr Roger Clark | Germany  Find all comments by Dr Roger Clark
Lance Eccles,
apparently you have a language problem.

God´s Grace is sufficient to save all,

those, whom God knew would/will be saved by this Grace are called the elect,

the elect will be in Heaven,

in no way can God can be mistaken in that He fails to foreknow who these elect are,

therefore the elect are those saved by God´s Grace and known to Him from all eternity.

An elect person is/will be saved. An un-elect person is/will be damned.

Or will He "bend His Omniscience" at the behest of the RCC ?

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