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FRIDAY, JAN 4, 2013  |  52 comments
UK’s first atheist ‘church’ set to launch
The first “atheist church” in the country is set to open in London, but critics say it’s a contradiction in terms.

Stand-up comedians Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, who are behind the ‘church’, say they like many aspects of religion but don’t believe in God.

But last year prominent atheist Richard Dawkins hit out at separate plans to build a £1 million “temple for atheists” in London, as a waste of money and a contradiction in terms.


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News Item1/7/13 12:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I can't say I've made up my mind, John...just trying to figurw it out. I'm trying to figure out several things that I thought were one way but may be another all together.
That's okay Christopher, doctrinal fine tuning which is agreeable to the whole of scripture, can take quite a while. But one thing is for sure, that scripture study with its author is most rewarding and feeds the soul, and brings peace to them that believe.
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News Item1/7/13 12:30 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I can't say I've made up my mind, John...just trying to figurw it out. I'm trying to figure out several things that I thought were one way but may be another all together.
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News Item1/7/13 11:29 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi John, I've been over it and over it but I just can't seem to comprehend those scriptures as meaning anything other than I thought. The scriptures are speaking of renewing someone unto repentance a 2nd time around. In your view, those mentioned, although having some gifts, remain unregenerate, meaning that for them, there had never been a first for there to be a 2nd.
Did I make any sense? It's confusing for me to think anything other. I think anyone who becomes born again is the recipient of a miracle. I think anyone who is truly born again is the recipient of God's very hard work, His handiwork behind the scenes. Because of this, I believe it's pretty much impossible to renew someone again unto repentance once they have fallen away to apostacy...not backsliding...utter unbelief.
It is deep stuff Christopher, and I do not blame you for going the arminist route and thinking that Christians can still go to hell, even after being born again by the will and purpose of God. But I do not think you will be very happy with that position after a few years, when you realise it is a salvation by works doctrine, and you work out that effectively, to be saved, you must accomplish much.
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News Item1/7/13 11:06 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
P-Mike wrote:
...this life isn't even the ultimate reality.

Oh, I missed this. Can you expound on this please? I'm wondering what reality trumped your belief in a creator. Buddism? Nirvana? Reincarnation?
Not looking to argue...just curious.

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News Item1/7/13 10:14 AM
Papa G | UK  Find all comments by Papa G
Regular users of this site will be aware that Pastor Mike comments on many, many news stories. Usually with a witty remark that shows a) that he's very clever and b) that he's an atheist. If anyone respond to this gentle baiting, he then launches into full argument mode.
Please be aware that Pastor Mike won't listen to your position, he is too clever for that, and he won't agree to disagree.
Ask yourself the question: why is an atheist commenting so often on this site? Answer: he's looking to offend (and the moderators have closed him down before). Please pray for Pastor Mike. That the LORD opens the eyes of his heart, or at least gets him to recognise that baiting Christians on a website like this is the equivalent of flashing, and probably has the same emotional payoff...
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News Item1/7/13 8:41 AM
What thinkest thou  Find all comments by What thinkest thou
Poser Mike wrote:
The ability to avoid accountability for one's actions is a pillar in the teachings of Christian religion.
What seminary did you go to to learn such rubbish notions of the Christian faith?

Poser Mike wrote:
All that's required is to become a sycophant and an individual can have the slate wiped clean of all past and future transgressions.
So humble confession of one's wrongs and a reliance on the rest of one's life on the righteousness of another is sycophancy?! Great reasoning power there

Poser Mike wrote:
It makes this life a complete meaningless farce in which actions have no consequences..
You really haven't a clue about the Christian faith, have you?

Poser Mike wrote:
...this life isn't even the ultimate reality.
It is in your opinion. What a shock it will be to your system when you wake up on the wrong side in the ultimate reality!

What good will your imagined intellectual superiority do you then? Do you think that when arraigned before the glorious Christ for judgement you will be able to reason yourself out of hell? You pathetic creature!

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News Item1/7/13 7:48 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
By the way, I decided that arguing with any hardcore athiest will be a waste of my time. Arguing the creation sciences will accomplish nothing because I know how they roll to all of the evidences. I think, if it's still even possible, that only God can crack those eggs.
I will mention that there are not enough seconds in time for evolution to have taken place an you should take a look into the left and right handed molecules of amino acids.
What I will say, even though you think it's a joke, its one thing to turn your own back on your creator, but it's an entirely different thing to make it your lifes purpose, passtime, or ambition, to try and thwart God's work in the lives of others.
Someday you will know the truth, but unfortunately, it doesn't sound like the truth will be setting you free.
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News Item1/7/13 7:23 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi John, I've been over it and over it but I just can't seem to comprehend those scriptures as meaning anything other than I thought. The scriptures are speaking of renewing someone unto repentance a 2nd time around. In your view, those mentioned, although having some gifts, remain unregenerate, meaning that for them, there had never been a first for there to be a 2nd.
Did I make any sense? It's confusing for me to think anything other. I think anyone who becomes born again is the recipient of a miracle. I think anyone who is truly born again is the recipient of God's very hard work, His handiwork behind the scenes. Because of this, I believe it's pretty much impossible to renew someone again unto repentance once they have fallen away to apostacy...not backsliding...utter unbelief. I think God works very hard to open our eyes, so once somebody who once believed, chooses to close them, can they really be renewed with the excitement of blind faith once again?
My thoughts are probably totally scrambled here, Kipper John, and I don't claim to know anything. I'm also not looking to argue so don't make me hop a flight to your 3rd world country to find you.
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News Item1/7/13 1:19 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Mike wrote:
Of course, we have to assume the alleged pastor is telling the truth about all that he claims. Being an athiest, that isn't necessary, since in his imaginary world there is no accountability to the God which he denies. He could merely be an athiest troll, attempting to cause doubt. Silly man. Even sillier if he thinks the Lord cannot save him.
No, truth isn't necessary to him not having bent the knee to God or His commandments but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for his claims. After all, he seems to have a bit of an ego which needs to be fed.

But this man is to be pitied knowing his sole hope is in this life which Christians, as strangers and pilgrims in this life, consider a short journey to an eternal destination.

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the truth is  Find all comments by the truth is
Pastor Mike wrote:
All that's required is to become a sycophant and an individual can have the slate wiped clean of all past and future transgressions. It makes this life a complete meaningless farce
Pester. You don't know nor understand what faith is. You probably think you do and assume it to be just another human faculty. But that just illustrates your complete ignorance of Christianity. You are under the dominion of sin and you are therefore blind to the truth which is why you cannot read the Word of God and receive its truth. There is a spiritual discernment available to Christians which you simply cannot attain in any shape or form whatsoever. God elects His disciples and and only His predestinated elect are regenerated and receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Nothing man can do initiates this. As for the rest they are reprobate, atheist and remain in complete darkness as to these facts and Bible teachings. I do not believe for a second that you can receive this or any Bible precept and doctrine. Human ability and faculty remains firmly entrenched upon earth and remains entirely mortal. Sin is a power over the mortal which prevents him from knowing God and truth.
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News Item1/6/13 2:14 PM
Pastor Mike  Find all comments by Pastor Mike
Mike wrote:
In his imaginary world there is no accountability to the God which he denies.
The ability to avoid accountability for one's actions is a pillar in the teachings of Christian religion. All that's required is to become a sycophant and an individual can have the slate wiped clean of all past and future transgressions. It makes this life a complete meaningless farce in which actions have no consequences not only because of the propitiation accomplished by the atoning sacrifice but also because this life isn't even the ultimate reality. While wrongdoing may not carry the same individual punishment in the atheist world view as it does in the Christian, the collective consequences are far worse. Mess up this world and there will be no second chance.
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News Item1/6/13 12:50 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Lurker wrote:
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Pastor Mike has commented before that he is independently wealthy so he has both the time and financial resources to study that which he opposes. What better way than to attend a seminary?
Of course, we have to assume the alleged pastor is telling the truth about all that he claims. Being an athiest, that isn't necessary, since in his imaginary world there is no accountability to the God which he denies. He could merely be an athiest troll, attempting to cause doubt. Silly man. Even sillier if he thinks the Lord cannot save him.
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News Item1/6/13 11:55 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Christopher000 wrote:
I have a question for anyone who can answer...
I noticed that PM holds a Masters in divinity. This leads me to believe that he once knew and acknowledged Christ as his Lord and savior.
A seminary degree proves nothing regarding saving faith; consider how many heresies have been promoted within such schools by profs who allege to adhere to their doctrinal statements. People tell lies; after all, a seminary education is a means to a cushy job.
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News Item1/6/13 11:35 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Christopher000 wrote:
I have a question for anyone who can answer...
I noticed that PM holds a Masters in divinity. This leads me to believe that he once knew and acknowledged Christ as his Lord and savior.
Not necessarily, Christopher.

It is necessary for one to study the beliefs of others to better be able to contend against their beliefs. I once visited an atheist website and discussion forum called The Skeptic's Annotated Bible (SAB) and many of the regulars know the bible better that the extreme majority of professing Christians. But, their knowledge, not being coupled with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, is used for evil, not for good. In fact, if you think about it, there is little difference between an atheist and a Roman Catholic apologist. Both are deceived and contend against Truth. The one admits he is a goat while the other, being a goat, swears he is a sheep.

Pastor Mike has commented before that he is independently wealthy so he has both the time and financial resources to study that which he opposes. What better way than to attend a seminary?

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News Item1/6/13 10:32 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
...somewhere, it says that when a man who once knew Christ, turns away, it is impossible to renew him again unto repentance.
You are thinking of...
Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

It would be easy to make the mistake of thinking these were once saved and have now fallen away irrevocably.

The apostle, speaking to the Hebrew saints, continues....
Hebrews 6:9 KJV
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Here he speaks of "things that accompany salvation", which the saints have; but the former, though having certain privileges, including witnessing the power of the Spirit, even having power to cast out devils, yet are unregenerate and show the evidence of such, as per the parable of the sower.

Hope this, my opinion, helps.

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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I have a question for anyone who can answer...
I noticed that PM holds a Masters in divinity. This leads me to believe that he once knew and acknowledged Christ as his Lord and savior. Here's what I need help with: somewhere, it says that when a man who once knew Christ, turns away, it is impossible to renew him again unto repentance. I'm sure my recollection is very crude, but you know what I mean.
My question is; does this apply to PM? Because if it does, I won't waste any time.
I've listened to countless debates with athiests so I know how and where they hit and what they hit with so any arguments having to do with irreducible complexity, Earth sciences, Astrophysics, delicate balance, etc, etc, would be wasted but I would like to say a few other things.
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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Oops...I hit submit there by mistake. That post will be much longer but I don't have time right now so I'll get it out later. No need to respond to that because my point wasn't made and there's more to say.
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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
PM, you asked me for an example and I could go on for pages but this forum doesn't allow the space. Besides, I know you work very hard to be an athiest and would counter with all of theusual suspects.
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