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SUNDAY, NOV 18, 2012  |  27 comments
The Bible Supports Abortion, Liberal Christian Group Claims
Some progressive Christians have recently endorsed a controversial interpretation of a biblically-backed idea that involves abortion and the actual moment that life begins.

The liberal Christian blog The Christian Left recently claimed that the Bible did not forbid abortion and that God even stated when life actually began. Their claims, though, are brewing a growing controversy with the larger Christian community, who believes the progressive religious group is twisting passages of the Bible to support abortion.

The first passage that is used in this manner is taken from Genesis 2:7 – God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being." ...


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CV  Find all comments by CV
Neil wrote:
I understand the woman was diagnosed with blood poisoning. Not refusing an abortion would've solved NOTHING here; in fact, two nurses we know said it would've hastened the mother's death by spreading the infection
If this was a medical decision, OK then. It's driven by an objective decision to save lives, I can accept that subjectively, it's a judgement call. And we can see if procedures can be improved.

But if objectively, the decision was to comply with that law first, I find that detestable. Our Lord spoke against this kind of pharisaical reverance for the law itself over and above the Lawgiver. This is legalism.

God is the giver of all life, of the mother, and of the baby in the womb. The word "abortion" doesn't appear in the bible, "life" does! We move to protect life, not the loaded word itself as if it has some magical powers that we dare not cross. My information on this particular incident is limited. But if true, we don't need to make this an "abortion" issue, it's just plain WRONG!!!
God bless

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News Item11/27/12 3:03 PM
Pilgrims  Find all comments by Pilgrims
Jim Lincoln wrote:
What may have been heard of otherwise, there is a short, interesting abstract about, Elizabethan birth control and Puritan attitudes Puritans would be against all forms of birth control as given in this short writing as compared to their Anglican (You know, liberal) neighbors.
Besides Rick Warren, where's this phantom regiment of living Puritan pastors loudly denouncing the unholy HHS Contraceptive Mandate?
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News Item11/27/12 2:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What may have been heard of otherwise, there is a short, interesting abstract about, Elizabethan birth control and Puritan attitudes Puritans would be against all forms of birth control as given in this short writing as compared to their Anglican (You know, liberal) neighbors.
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News Item11/27/12 11:41 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Since "Progressives" presumably are Darwinists & believe Scripture is a myth, I suppose they are only doing this as a very lame attempt to undermine Fundies on their ground. Are they really this stupid?

Anyhow, since Adam was created from dust (Gen. 2:7), not an embryo or an ape, we cannot infer anything about conception from this since his creation was unique. Plus, if he was created as a baby, he must've been quite a prodigy to be able to feed himself from the Garden, unaided.

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News Item11/27/12 10:59 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"Some progressive Christians have recently endorsed a controversial interpretation of a biblically-backed idea that involves abortion and the actual moment that life begins"

Two things wrong with this:
1) They aren't Christians.
2) There is nothing progressive about the killing of children.

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News Item11/27/12 9:38 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
CV wrote:
Neil
Are we talking about the incident in Ireland where the mother was having a miscarriage and the hospital was more concerned about compliance to some law that stated that as long as the fetus is alive, it cannot be aborted?
I'm not familiar with that angle of it. I understand the woman was diagnosed with E Coli septicemia (bacterial blood poisoning). The legal issue might be a late diagnosis, not refusing an abortion, which would've solved NOTHING here; in fact, two nurses we know said it would've hastened the mother's death by spreading the infection. This too is speculation, I admit, but at least it's from people with medical training.

This is an example of how "life of the mother" abortion arguments require much more anecdotal detail before proper debate about it can proceed.

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News Item11/27/12 5:23 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Neil
Are we talking about the incident in Ireland where the mother was having a miscarriage and the hospital was more concerned about compliance to some law that stated that as long as the fetus is alive, it cannot be aborted?
You said "medical diagnosis is inherently subjective & speculative".
Was it "medical"? Objectively the decision was primarily to comply to some law.

And the "claim that an abortion would've preserved her life is PURE SPECULATION, not a fact"
Did it even get to this point of preserving life if the hospy first had to watch the pulse fade away so they could comply with the law?

Neil, if we are talking about the same incident then I see this as criminal negligence, hiding behind misinterpretaion of a law. Hope the family sues the pants off these people.
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Why wouldn't babies have died in flood? Natural order of creation is default, prove that it ceased.

Deut 20:16 - destroy ALL THAT BREATHS - is all encompassing, prove that creation order ceased again and babies were excluded.

Luke23:28-29 Jesus says weep for yourself and your children. A time so bad is comming that happy will be those that don't have children, cos those do will wish they were childless like them.

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News Item11/26/12 9:10 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Dont kill me for this wrote:
... but there are cases still where a woman is having a miscarriage where medical intervention is necessary, the absence of which can lead to septesemia which can be fatal. A case like this was reported very recently, and sadly the woman aged just 32/33 died!!
If that's the Halappanavar case you're referring to, forget it; there is insufficient evidence to judge the matter. The press reported only the widower's testimony (doctors not having equal liberty to speak at this time), & by legal standards alone, he is not an expert witness. His claim that an abortion would've preserved her life is PURE SPECULATION, not a fact.
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News Item11/26/12 5:12 PM
Dont kill me for this  Find all comments by Dont kill me for this
jpw wrote:
Don't kill me for this -- in a truly difficult medical impasse I would not judge a family who has been through this. however, in most cases, I would think that a baby could be carried and then delivered early, thereby attempting to save both. the idea is to save life where it is possible. there are extremely difficult situations, no doubt, and in that case it would be best for the family to have a prolife doctor that would make wise decisions, and to seek the Lord's face in prayer.......not the kind of doctor that measures the length of a baby's neck through sonar at first trimester so that they can see extremes, call it down's syndrome and schedule an extermination.
Admittedly cases are rare, but there are cases still where a woman is having a miscarriage where medical intervention is necessary, the absence of which can lead to septesemia which can be fatal. A case like this was reported very recently, and sadly the woman aged just 32/33 died!!
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News Item11/26/12 5:03 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Don't kill me for this -- in a truly difficult medical impasse I would not judge a family who has been through this. however, in most cases, I would think that a baby could be carried and then delivered early, thereby attempting to save both. the idea is to save life where it is possible. there are extremely difficult situations, no doubt, and in that case it would be best for the family to have a prolife doctor that would make wise decisions, and to seek the Lord's face in prayer.......not the kind of doctor that measures the length of a baby's neck through sonar at first trimester so that they can see extremes, call it down's syndrome and schedule an extermination.
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News Item11/26/12 4:39 PM
Dont kill me for this  Find all comments by Dont kill me for this
someone wrote:
I will answer one question now and leave other someones to answer if they want to.
Of those women that died in the flood, all the pregnant ones died, assuming for the moment that of those women some were pregnant. I don't know for a fact that of the women that died in the flood any were pregnant. Some of those women were probably pregnant. But probably doesn't equal a fact.
Thanks for your response, BUT read Gen 6 and the opening verses which are the prelude the God's decision to destroy man especially verse 1 "... when men began to multiply...". I dont know what you understand by this, but to me the implication is clear.

There is no indication between this and the final coming of the flood that anything had changed.

So the fair conclusion is that there would certainly have been many pregnant women who died in the flood, along with children of all ages.

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News Item11/26/12 11:56 AM
someone  Find all comments by someone
Dont kill me for this wrote:
...

The world that existed before the flood - how many pregnant women died in the flood?
If one has to make a choice beween a mom and a child because of medical complications, would an abortion still be wrong?
Someone please answer these questions.

I will answer one question now and leave other someones to answer if they want to.

Of those women that died in the flood, all the pregnant ones died, assuming for the moment that of those women some were pregnant. I don't know for a fact that of the women that died in the flood any were pregnant. Some of those women were probably pregnant. But probably doesn't equal a fact.

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News Item11/26/12 11:51 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Dont kill me for this wrote:
[1] Can someone please explain something to me. In the OT a witch was to be put to death.
[2] The world that existed before the flood - how many pregnant women died in the flood?
[3] If one has to make a choice beween a mom and a child because of medical complications, would an abortion still be wrong?
Nothing wrong with a serious question.

1) Delay execution until the child of the pregnant witch is born;
2) Just as with the Canaanites, *all* people under such judgment had to die, including babies, regardless of head-count. If God condemns someone, they are by definition guilty & deserve to die, whether they are born or not;
3) It is impossible to ever tell whether a complication actually requires such a choice, since medical diagnosis is inherently subjective & speculative. And unlike laboratory experiments, you can't back up & try the other alternative.

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News Item11/26/12 11:11 AM
Dont kill me for this  Find all comments by Dont kill me for this
Can someone please explain something to me. In the OT a witch was to be put to death. But, there is no specific exception to this in the case of someone who is pregnant.

The world that existed before the flood - how many pregnant women died in the flood?

If one has to make a choice beween a mom and a child because of medical complications, would an abortion still be wrong?

Someone please answer these questions.

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News Item11/26/12 9:56 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Jssica Dawson wrote:
...Leviticus 17:11 KJV

...Leviticus 17:14 KJV

... for the blood is the life;... Deuteronomy 12:23 KJV

...Furthermore, The Scripture states that the blood of a human or animal, is, 'the life.' Infants in the womb have blood and therefore have life.

Thou shalt not kill. Deuteronomy 5:17 KJV

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Matthew 5:21 KJV

Jssica,
thank you for your comment for it gave me an important insight to abortion I never saw before.

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News Item11/25/12 7:33 PM
Jssica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jssica Dawson
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11 KJV

For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. Leviticus 17:14 KJV

Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh. Deuteronomy 12:23 KJV

According to The Scriptures it is Adam who was not a living being until God breathed the Breath of Life into him. Furthermore, The Scripture states that the blood of a human or animal, is, 'the life.' Infants in the womb have blood and therefore have life.

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News Item11/19/12 4:24 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
who's a person wrote:
Be it RESOLVED, That we call upon Southern Baptists to ... allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother."
Most on this list deals with the quality of life of the child or the mother. The intent here may have been to not be legalistic in the application of Gods laws. But it fails by being too broad.

Out of Ireland this week comes a truly sad tragic story about a mother who died because the hospital administrators were too concerned about prosecution and not the saving of life. Ireland says that you cannot abort a living fetus even if the fetus is misscarying and the mothers life is in danger. Surely the medical staff would have been in a position to recognize the danger the mother was in, especially while she was in pain? Yet the hospital was concerned of legalities. The hospital should have treated this as a life and death issue - of the mother and child, and moved protect life.

"Abortion" should be seen as a life and death issue, as God sees it, and always to protect life to live.

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News Item11/18/12 5:03 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Elise wrote:
Being a woman I can't nor ever will understand how a mother can kill her unborn child, but what I always hear is " it's my body I can do what I like, it's my right" NO it's not the womans body it's the
child's body, another soul from the moment of conception.
Well said! Your comment was a blessing.
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News Item11/18/12 3:49 PM
Elise | Scotland  Find all comments by Elise
Being a woman I can't nor ever will understand how a mother can kill her unborn child, but what I always hear is " it's my body I can do what I like, it's my right" NO it's not the womans body it's the
child's body, another soul from the moment of conception.
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News Item11/18/12 12:59 PM
Kol  Find all comments by Kol
Only Christians can read the Bible, by the grace of God and the work of the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

Which of course means that Liberals and other reprobates who are not Christians cannot read the Bible. Especially with Satan working to blind them of the truth and the Word of God.

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