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FRONT PAGE  |  10/17/2017
THURSDAY, SEP 21, 2017  |  30 comments
Christians who tolerate other religions ‘serve Satan,’ says Air Force chaplain

An Air Force chaplain has posted a blog saying Christian service members who support religious liberty serve the Constitution “and not Christ.“

Capt. Sonny Hernandez, an Air Force Reserve chaplain for the 445th Airlift Wing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, ministers to thousands of men and women serving in the Air Force. He contends that Christians serving in the military “serve Satan” if they support other service member’s rights to practice their own faiths.

In a blog published on BarbWire.com, Hernandez wrote: “Counterfeit Christians in the armed forces will appeal to the Constitution, and not Christ, and they have no local church home — which means they have no accountability for their souls. ...


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News Item9/22/17 6:02 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Stevenr wrote:
Appreciate the prayer, but a correction Stevenr NOT SteveR... not sure who he was, but don't want to be confused with him.
oops!!!

Stevenr
Got it.

God Bless.

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News Item9/22/17 4:45 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Appreciate the prayer, but a correction Stevenr NOT SteveR... not sure who he was, but don't want to be confused with him.
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News Item9/22/17 3:46 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Stevenr wrote:
I have been serving in the prison ministriy for over 20 years… I prayed very hard about whether it would be God's will for me to become a state Chaplain at one point ... but the answer I got from God was that, for that ministry, I was there serving Him, and not the state.
Ok SteveR. I will let you off the hair shirt this time.

My point below was from the observation that I have noticed many Christians who factor out the presence of God in their lives and calling. When the Lord calls us to a specific task which seems an impossible one then faith and courage should kick in by prayer and humble supplication, knowing that whatever happens ahead is divine and never human.
Thus may we move mountains.

Will pray for your ministry.

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News Item9/22/17 3:40 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
penned wrote:
Its a conversation that must come and one that will continue as we see the downward spiral of the west into the darkness of cultural marxism.
evolution is the new religion and is taught in the schools and makes the Constitution null and void because the Constitution is based on the concept that a man is created by God, not the state.
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Evolutionists are tickled to hear the null and void thing, though as long as the Constitution is the law of the land, the rest is illegal behavior. No reason the rest of us have to accommodate the faulty thinking. Congressional spinelessness doesn't help, as they have authority to make needed changes. The bully pulpit of the presidency could be used for more than tit-for-tat. But I suppose, like most of the time throughout history, nothing is learned, and nothing changes until it is forced to by the chaos that comes from learning nothing, and changing nothing while it was still easier to do so.
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News Item9/22/17 3:29 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Evolution is much deeper than the origin of man... it is the basis for the humanistic worldview that we have all been slowly socialized into. It's not just our children and grandchildren, it started with us, and some of our parents...
We are viewing the world from a evolutionary viewpoint, even if we don't realize it. Why? Because it is in every facet of entertainment and marketing. They feed you the humanistic evolution constantly, and most Christians are to dull of hearing, and don't have enough knowledge of scripture to counter it.
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News Item9/22/17 2:52 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Its a conversation that must come and one that will continue as we see the downward spiral of the west into the darkness of cultural marxism.

evolution is the new religion and is taught in the schools and makes the Constitution null and void because the Constitution is based on the concept that a man is created by God, not the state.

This concept doesn't exist in buddhism and islam and the presbytarian black regiment pastors before the Rev War were intent on proclaiming Christ and it being a Christian land.

islm is its own political sovereign. its mosques are a political soverign.

so this conversation needs to be had.

we've gone to the absolute other extreme from the reformation into an era of spiritual gurus disconnected from the reality around them.

watching children taken away to the slaughter in one's community in Israel was a sign of morally debased occultic men ripe for destruction.

God hasn't changed with the coming of His Son!

1689 Federalism might be a place to begin discussion between the Old and New Testaments.

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News Item9/21/17 9:41 PM
CAS | FL  Find all comments by CAS
Interesting read from Al Mohler...SBC /North American Mission Board is the largest military chaplain endorser.

http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/09/17/can-evangelical-chaplains-serve-god-and-country-the-crisis-arrives/

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News Item9/21/17 8:40 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Mike
The job of a government Chaplain is that of facilitator of religious services. Especially in a prison setting, where there is heavy reliance upon volunteers to meet the "pseudospiritual needs" of the clientele. Check a random job description in any state for that; but more importantly, think of the (ignorantly interpreted and held) separation of Church and state, which disallows state dollars to be used for any functions that have preference for any single religion. (Beyond humanism.)
A state employee must not... (fill in the blank,) in order to protect all liberal agendas including LGBSTQRSTUV.
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News Item9/21/17 8:05 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Stevenr wrote:
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If I were a state Chaplain, I would have to ensure that every religion received equal access… I would have to make certain that any request for religious material, including Wiccan, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Satanist, Native American whatever you call it, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, the list goes on and on and on… was available, and seek volunteers to come in for each of those.
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What do you think would be the legal basis for this?
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News Item9/21/17 5:42 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Cut off.
It's not about whether or not God knows what he's doing… of course he does. If God called this man to that position, that's between him and God.
However, as I look at the Bible, I see that God usually calls a person to reach people, but not necessarily to get a paycheck in order to do it— because the person who is paying you a check, is your boss and get to tell you how to do your job. Now, If God wanted that man to reach those in the military, I'm sure there are more options than him taking a high dollar position as a military officer to get that accomplished.
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News Item9/21/17 5:41 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Adriel
I have been serving in the prison ministriy for over 20 years… I prayed very hard about whether it would be God's will for me to become a state Chaplain at one point ... but the answer I got from God was that, for that ministry, I was there serving Him, and not the state.
Granted, any institution that you go to, even as a volunteer, will have a certain amount of rules… The problem is how invasive those rules are for you carrying out your job. As a volunteer, I have liberty to preach the gospel, and have never had any problems whatsoever doing it… They hinted at me one time that they would prefer that I didn't preach against homosexuality, (didn't work) but that was the closest they got to making that attempt… So far...
If I were a state Chaplain, I would have to ensure that every religion received equal access… I would have to make certain that any request for religious material, including Wiccan, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Satanist, Native American whatever you call it, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, the list goes on and on and on… was available, and seek volunteers to come in for each of those. There was no way that I, in good conscience, could even consider bringing cult literature to someone. Much less ensuring that a cult had access to them.
It's not about whet
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News Item9/21/17 4:47 PM
Another Michael | Among the Outcasts  Find all comments by Another Michael
Frank wrote:
Yes,he could also simply stand against the system as you noted. My only thought was the system is evil and he knew or should have known that when he enlisted. If his purpose was to reform the system, then good for him.
Did you really think that I could possibly mean he shouldn't seek the Lord's guidance in prayer first?
I listened from the 3 minute mark until the 15 minute mark, but my volume was terrible and I couldn't understand most of it.
To the best of my knowledge, I have never used the word reformed on this forum, so your comment is confusing?
Frank, Ouch! Sorry!
I apologize for not being clear

Maybe this will help
When I post to someone by name, in this case you, other people also read the post so please don't take my posts as any kind of attack or accusation but more along the line of speaking to you 'generically'

The issue with this chaplain is an involved one. You'd be right to say if he went into chaplaincy with eyes open ... that is one thing. If the military changed the rules on him that is another

BUT I will say this I appreciate the courage of Darrell Waltrip to say knowing what he was going to say and then saying what he did in front of the then President Obama and his wife.

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News Item9/21/17 4:37 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Stevenr wrote:
I would not take a paid Chaplaincy... neither in the Prison ministry or the Military, because I would be answering to someone that is not God. By my agreement and contract with them, I would be beholding to their input… And as a Christian I could not suffer that.
Honestly, if he has a problem… (Of which I see his point…) He needs to resign his chaplaincy and Pastor a church.
Just saying.
If God 'calls' you to a mission in the chaplaincy or to head hunters in the Amazon for that matter; - Would you trust God to have done 'sufficient' research to ensure His task was carried out?

Is this about trust/faith? Are there no-go areas for God?

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News Item9/21/17 4:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"An Air Force chaplain has posted a blog saying Christian service members who support religious liberty serve the Constitution 'and not Christ.'"

"He contends that Christians serving in the military “serve Satan” if they support other service member’s rights to practice their own faiths"

The chaplain is right, sort of. They *think* they are serving the Constitution and not Christ. But they are serving neither. It's what happens after years of false teaching about the first amendment.

This would be much less of an issue if the anti-Christian courts who misread and mis-apply the first amendment, had the same understanding of what the founders meant by "free exercise of religion" as they did. Even what they meant by religion is muddied. It certainly did not open the gates to all religions. No right was intended by it to worship trees, fat statues, cows, or any false gods. A little research would help, but the anti-Christians rely on ignorance as much as deception.

Now the chaplains have to follow the rules, but the rules are based on faulty understanding, deliberately promoted, imo.

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News Item9/21/17 2:30 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Another Michael wrote:
Maybe
Or maybe he should seek the Lord, make a list of all the "don't' do/say this" lay it before God in prayer and seek the mind and the will of God in it. And if God so wills deliberately walk into the lion's den and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH3KfGpqlZE
skip ahead to 3:00 if you are short on time
and for the whole story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHfJpmcX7Y
Or if this isn't Reformed Enough for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSzbtuL85U
Yes,he could also simply stand against the system as you noted. My only thought was the system is evil and he knew or should have known that when he enlisted. If his purpose was to reform the system, then good for him.

Did you really think that I could possibly mean he shouldn't seek the Lord's guidance in prayer first?

I listened from the 3 minute mark until the 15 minute mark, but my volume was terrible and I couldn't understand most of it.

To the best of my knowledge, I have never used the word reformed on this forum, so your comment is confusing?

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News Item9/21/17 1:51 PM
Another Michael | Among People on Edge of Wrath  Find all comments by Another Michael
Frank wrote:
This fellow should resign his position and take a discharge.
Maybe

Or maybe he should seek the Lord, make a list of all the "don't' do/say this" lay it before God in prayer and seek the mind and the will of God in it. And if God so wills deliberately walk into the lion's den and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH3KfGpqlZE
skip ahead to 3:00 if you are short on time
and for the whole story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHfJpmcX7Y

Or if this isn't Reformed Enough for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSzbtuL85U

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News Item9/21/17 1:21 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
In a sense that chaplain is correct in that all other religions other than Christianity serve and worship Satan. But that chaplain is incorrect in stating that the First Amendment Freedom of Religion is wrong.
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News Item9/21/17 12:35 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
My Message was cut off; In what I didn't get to finish, I was saying, in how to this day, I reflect back to my conversations, with others who were killed in combat, that I pray that the Lord used my conversations with them, to see their great dying need of Christ, as our only hope comes from Christ Alone, being able to pay our sin debt. As salvation is of the Lord alone, & praises to Him, the Blood of Christ, washes away our own wicked stains of sin away, what a friend & savior we have in no King but Christ Alone amen!

http://christianfighterpilot.com/2016/04/06/the-top-3-military-chaplain-fallacies/

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News Item9/21/17 12:29 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
Army Chaplain Assistants, have to help out in all religious matters, I personally dealt with ones who were Mormons, Chaplains who were Roman Catholic Presits. Specifically Chaplains are endorsed by what denomination & specific group is endorsing them, that allows them to preach & teach in the matters of the faith to men & women of the Armed Services.

I know the Lord used me in ways to promote the gospel in being fisher of men, & woman, who are already condemned. & spiritually pershing away, apart from Christ reaching down into their own pit.I always held to very High Physical Fitness Standards, that gave me a platform in God blessing me, in that way. As I was able to share about health & fitness, etc, natural things of life, then, I would swing things into a spiritual conversation. I can't tell you the several hundred conversations, I had over the years of times. In how I was able to share, our dier need of Christ, in how our sin offends Him, that we need Him to forgive us & accept us. As we aren't good, apart from His sinless Holy Character, as all have & always will, fall short of Him daily, regardless of max effort put out. I personally witness to some who died, a little bit down the road in time, in combat, even to this day, I reflect back & hope & pray, that the Lord remo

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News Item9/21/17 12:00 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Some very good comments below.

Yes, a military chaplain must serve all the various faiths; not just his own. And they cannot say that Christianity is an exclusive faith. Like Stevenr alluded to, they all become hirelings and in order to keep their jobs and advance, they must not only tolerate other faiths, but accept them as well. This mindset can also happen in all areas of society where pastors operate; churches, seminaries, etc.

I have read articles concerning Chaplains that if they attempt to bring the gospel to anyone, then can be removed from the military; if they denounce homosexuality, they can be removed and the list goes on and on. They basically have no freedom to preach Christ alone and His word.

This fellow should resign his position and take a discharge.

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