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Choice News TUESDAY, APR 18, 2017  |  13 comments
Gorsuch gets major religious liberty case

New Justice Neil Gorsuch is set to make a major impact on the Supreme Court in his first week of oral arguments, which includes a major religious liberty case that conservatives hope swings their direction now that the appeals court judge has been added to the bench.

For the first time in more than a year, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments this week with the full complement of nine justices. Oral arguments in Trinity Lutheran Church of Columbia v. Comer will be held Wednesday, when the high court will seek to decide whether Missouri violated the Constitution in its decision to bar a church from a state program that gives nonprofits funding to resurface their playgrounds. Missouri's Constitution includes a provision that prevents public funds from directly or indirectly assisting any church, sect or religion. ...


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News Item4/23/17 3:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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It seems to be Federal issue, Mike, because SCOTUS determines if it's Constitutional or not. Unfortunately, they have allowed the foot in the door over 10 years ago. http://tinyurl.com/kfjvlf6 (Justices Weigh Vouchers for Parochial School Use). The servile GOP bending to the desires of the Romish Church. Mike the above article says something about the Romish Church.

Penny, I would point out, again---

Ben Franklin wrote:

"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not care to support it, so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, ‚Äėtis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."

http://tinyurl.com/muyae63 (10 Reasons Why Private School Vouchers Should Be Rejected)

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News Item4/23/17 2:59 PM
Lee | Florida  Find all comments by Lee
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"Where Ceasers money goes, Ceaser goes"....don't forget that fact
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News Item4/20/17 9:47 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
that would be great for ministries to have some grant support, as things are expensive to keep going.

would be really great if churches adopted some form of "grants" to fund families to school local children.

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News Item4/20/17 8:33 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike, this article should help explain the church-state problem more clearly.
---http://tinyurl.com/ldnsgec (In Church-State Playground Brawl, Justices Lean Toward The Church)
Barring "state funds" (wink wink) from going to religious schools is not an issue for me because it is not a federal issue to begin with. The first amendment speaks of what Congress can or can't do, not states. Having said that, there are a couple points to consider.

1. State funding sent to a religious school for paving a playground does not establish a state-favored religion. In fact, it has nothing to do with religion at all.

2. If the state does not want to send funding to a religious school on the basis of separation, then exempt the taxpayers who send their kids there from paying school taxes for public schools. "separation of church and state" should not be a one-way street, even if the term were a constitutional one, which it isn't.

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News Item4/20/17 1:32 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, this article should help explain the church-state problem more clearly.
Nina Totenberg wrote:
A clear majority of justices at the U.S. Supreme Court seemed troubled Wednesday by a Missouri grant program that bars state money from going to religious schools for playground improvement.

Thirty-nine states have state constitutional provisions that bar taxpayer funds from going to religious schools ‚ÄĒ provisions that have been a major obstacle for the school choice movement. The Missouri case is an attempt to lower that wall separating church and state....

James Layton, representing the state of Missouri, countered that the Supreme Court has never required states to provide direct government grants to churches.

"Almost 200 years ago, the people of the state of Missouri, adopting language" used by the Founding Fathers, "decided that we were not going to tax people in order to give money to churches," he said.

---http://tinyurl.com/ldnsgec (In Church-State Playground Brawl, Justices Lean Toward The Church)
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News Item4/19/17 3:09 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike, especially see, (Timeline: The Religious Right and the Republican Platform). Ah, but what I wanted you to especially see what does school vouchers have to do with abortion?
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Ok, that's nice, but I still haven't figured out what any of it has to do with Gorsuch and the Lutheran church parking lot paving case. Nothing you say? Oh.
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News Item4/19/17 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, especially see, http://tinyurl.com/md34s8y(Timeline: The Religious Right and the Republican Platform). Ah, but what I wanted you to especially see what does school vouchers have to do with abortion?

Also Catholic judges have been more subtle about the death penalty, but they certainly having be trying to kill it off.

Ah, once again,

Phil Johnson wrote:
....Worst of all, during that same period of time, the evangelical movement has completely lost its spiritual influence, because the evangelical segment of the church has grown increasingly worldly. Evangelicals have become accustomed to compromise. They have abandoned (or else are in the process of abandoning) virtually all the doctrinal distinctives that made them distinct from Roman Catholics and nominal Christians whose faith amounts to a kind of civil religion. Evangelicals have pretty much forfeited whatever real moral and spiritual authority their movement ever had.
excerpt from http://tinyurl.com/hbtgqek (Politically Incorrect?)
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News Item4/19/17 1:47 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
BDM wrote:
"Christian activism" involves today the well-meaning but foolish attempt to force "Christian principles" upon a godless society through more effective lobbying, larger demonstrations, and greater "social upheaval" than the homosexuals, abortionists, or pornographers can produce. But rather than pressure the ungodly to live like saints, we must win them to Christ that they might live wholly for God. As Christians, our personal lives must also be lived in obedience to God even if that brings us into conflict with civil laws. In addition to avoiding idolatry and immorality, Christians must preach the gospel to everyone everywhere, regardless of government edicts to the contrary.

There is a danger of being so caught up in the social aspect of good causes that one forgets that the soul must be placed before the body. The Great Commission does not involve exerting a Christian influence upon society. We are not to "change society," but to "convert individuals."

---http://tinyurl.com/ypago4 ("Christian" Activism?)
Mike, especially see, http://tinyurl.com/md34s8y(Timeline: The Religious Right and the Republican Platform)
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News Item4/18/17 3:56 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:

Because, Romish Republicans think they have a divine right to public money to further the cause of the Romish church. Unfortunately Republican judges see that and use that to buy votes for the Republican Party. Unfortunately I think our new scotus judge with his Catholic / Episcopalian background might support this idea.
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Imagination working overtime, Jim. Nothing in the article says anyone on either side of the case is Romish or Republican. You still finding Republican RCs under every rock?
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News Item4/18/17 1:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike wrote:
No it doesn't. If they can't resurface their own playgrounds, why should someone else pay for it? Government pays nothing for anything. It takes it from others, keeps some, and buys votes with the rest. "Public funds" is money first taken from people. Why would you support such corruption?

Because, Romish Republicans think they have a divine right to public money to further the cause of the Romish church. Unfortunately Republican judges see that and use that to buy votes for the Republican Party. Unfortunately I think our new scotus judge with his Catholic / Episcopalian background might support this idea.

Ben Franklin wrote:
When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not care to support it, so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, ‚Äėtis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
---http://tinyurl.com/muyae63 (10 Reasons Why Private School Vouchers Should Be Rejected)
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News Item4/18/17 12:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
Of course the Missouri Constitution violates Freedom of Religion when it prohibits public funds from assisting religious organizations with resurfacing their playgrounds.
No it doesn't. If they can't resurface their own playgrounds, why should someone else pay for it? Government pays nothing for anything. It takes it from others, keeps some, and buys votes with the rest. "Public funds" is money first taken from people. Why would you support such corruption?
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News Item4/18/17 11:50 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Of course the Missouri Constitution violates Freedom of Religion when it prohibits public funds from assisting religious organizations with resurfacing their playgrounds.
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News Item4/18/17 12:56 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News wrote:
...The other big cases to watch are the various challenges to the president’s second travel ban executive order.

If the fight over the travel ban reaches the Supreme Court, it’s possible that Gorsuch could give the conservative wing the votes needed to rule in favor of the Trump administration.

---http://tinyurl.com/lvsdmfd (How Gorsuch’s confirmation could impact the Supreme Court)
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