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Choice News WEDNESDAY, APR 12, 2017  |  103 comments  |  4 commentaries
‘Bible Answer Man’ Hank Hanegraaff Chrismated Into Eastern Orthodoxy
Hank Hanegraaff, also known as the “Bible Answer Man,” was chrismated into the Orthodox Church on Sunday, the well-known radio host and author has confirmed.

A photo had been circulating since Sunday of the 67-year-old Hanegraaff being received into Eastern Orthodoxy at Saint Nektarios Greek Orthodox Church in Charlotte, along with his wife and two of his children, prompting questions and online chatter.

On Monday, a listener to Hanegraaff’s radio broadcast called in to inquire if he had indeed converted to Orthodoxy. He advised that he has been attending Saint Nektarios for more than two years, but is just now becoming a member.

“I am now a member of an Orthodox church, but nothing has changed in my faith,” Hanegraaff said. “I have been attending an Orthodox church for a long time—for over two years, really, as a result of what happened when I went to China many years ago.” ...


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News Item4/23/17 4:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike Vlach wrote:
Christians must be committed to knowing and obeying God's Word. It is essential, then, that we know how to interpret the Bible correctly and avoid those errors that would lead us to incorrect conclusions. The following are some principles that will help you interpret the Bible for what it really says and some examples of what has happened when these principles have been violated....
--Errors to Avoid When Interpreting the Bible
Written before Mike became Dr. Michael Vlach, an assistant professor at TMS It's very good.

By the way, John Y., if you get on thread again, see, http://tinyurl.com/kl97ufp (“Catholic Christian” an Oxymoron?). You click on the "Download Now," button and get an RTF file ready to turn it into a tract type printout! Unfortunately, most of what Mike Gendron says about the Romish church applies to the Orthodox one as well.

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News Item4/21/17 10:33 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
penned wrote:
dear Brother US, indeed, as you say.

does literalism work here?... seven lampstands, the harlot on the beast, the lamb, the door, the bride, the mother, the bowls, cosmic conflict, the dragon, green horse, seven seals?

remember I asked,

We believe there are literally many allegorical passages in the Word of God like Revelation 17.(are you paying attention)

apparently you were not. You FALSELY say that literalism means that EVERYTHING in the Bible is literal.

I could ask you, does allegorical work for the miracles of Christ? It is the same type of question.

My point is you are misrepresenting the view you disdain and acting FALSELY like you are portraying it accurately.

As I have said countless times, when you start with the wrong premise you reach the wrong conclusion.

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News Item4/21/17 9:53 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
dear Brother US, indeed, as you say.

Revelations is not a historical account in the same way as 1 Kings.

Leviticus is a set of laws.

Jesus taught in parables.

Revelations is apocalyptic writing and in its beginning declares itself to be a writing of symbols to minister to us

There was an actual tower of Babel. It was a physical kingdom and it was in great rebellion to God.

There was an actual ark and an actual man named Noah, and Genesis teaches us about him historically.

and there was an ark of the covenant, and each piece of the tabernacle process was physically there but meant to relay a spiritual reality greater than the gold or wood or cloth or jewel.

Hebrews theme: is that these physical objects were just shadows of the greater spiritual reality that would be the salvation of our souls and eternal life with Christ.... (and a new physical,literal earth)

literalism presupposes that the "physical" interpretation as given by Oxford Press is superior to the "spiritual".

should not the scripture teach itself as it is?

does literalism work here?... seven lampstands, the harlot on the beast, the lamb, the door, the bride, the mother, the bowls, cosmic conflict, the dragon, green horse, seven seals?

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News Item4/21/17 8:21 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
penned wrote:
literalism is a farce,
let us continue

we believe there was a literal tower of Babel

we believe that there was a literal world wide flood and that a literal man named Noah who built an ark and that God brought all the animals to him to perserve them during the flood

We believe that God literally wrote on tables of stone and gave it to Moses

We believe that God literally made the ground wet and fleece dry for Gideon

We believe that Elijah literally called down fire from heaven

We believe that Elisha by God's power made the axhead to literally float

We believe that Namaan was literally cured of his leprosy by dipping in the Jordan 7 times

We believe that Jesus literally walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, cast out demons, read people's mind, walked untouched and unrecognized through a crowd of people trying to throw him off a cliff, gave the blind sight, multiplied the food to feed the thousands, and commanded the sea and the wind.

We believe there are literally many allegorical passages in the Word of God like Revelation 17.(are you paying attention)

We believe John literally described what he saw in Revelation 1:16

We hope one day you will see that the Word of God is trustworthy

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News Item4/20/17 8:52 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
penned continues to put out positions not held by the people she disdains, and imploring her to stick to the truth doesn't seem to be something she is willing to do. So, with apologies to all the good people here who believe in Covenant theology and Amillennialism I am going to throw the ball back in her court.

to penned

we believe that God literally spoke the world into existence and that Genesis 1 is not an allegory.

we believe the children of Israel literally crossed the Red Sea on dry ground, not that it just some symbolic passage that spoke of moving on in difficult times.

we believe the walls of Jericho literally fell to the ground and the sun literally stood still in the days of Joshua not that it was an allegory of overcoming sin and looking on the bright side.

we believe that David literally killed Goliath with his own sword after using a stone and a slingshot to take him down not that it was just an allegory about how to overcome giants in our lives.

We believe God literally left heaven and took on flesh, lived a perfect sinless life, was crucified, buried, rose again and ascended to His current position of our great high priest Who ever lives to make intercession on our behalf, not that the story was just symbols and dark sayings.

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News Item4/20/17 3:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ahem
Thomas Ice wrote:
Dispensationalists have always said that we are simply applying the agreed upon hermeneutic of Protestantism- the historical, grammatical method- also known as literal interpretation to the entire canon of Scripture, without resorting to spiritual or allegorical methods simply because the text dealt with the subject of prophecy. This means that included within the literal hermeneutic is the ability to recognize and understand figures of speech and symbols without having to abandon literal interpretation. Dr. Ryrie drives this point home when he says,

Symbols, figures of speech and types are all interpreted plainly in this method and they are in no way contrary to literal interpretation. After all, the very existence of any meaning for a figure of speech depends on the reality of the literal meaning of the terms involved. Figures often make the meaning plainer, but it is the literal, normal, or plain meaning that they convey to the reader.

--http://tinyurl.com/mvg4rrw (Literal vs. Allegorical Interpretation)

I suppose the Orthodox Church has no problem with his Preterist views? A Review of Hank Hanegraaff’s The Apocalypse Code

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News Item4/20/17 10:06 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
literalism is a farce, its an ever changing construct of presumptions.

they say, aren't the churches literal churches? indeed they are! they lost their lampstands! where did they go?

is Jesus with the sword sticking out of His mouth playing a game of hide and seek?

and what of the harlot riding the beast, and how does that translate as the pope? its a woman riding a huge beast all around the earth...does she use a saddle? have you seen her gallop through town?

the reading of bible should not start with obscure verses. and should not start with presumptions on the text, except Christ crucified, risen.

the presumption of physical Israel is placed on the text that does not teach it, thereby causing pastors to become popes.

here's the sermon.... they go to thessalonians and read about Jesus coming in the clouds and say that's the secret rapture, then ignore the text of matt 24, pick out a few verses and go, see, they are going to be left behind.

and the Christians follow blindly. and then they pull out Ezekiel out of context and lamblast on Rosh, they call out other rapturists who gave false dates and say how they are different.

at home they listen to all their timelines and mapping and listen to futurists sermons in gnostic fashion.

an obsession.

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News Item4/19/17 9:55 PM
should not cherry pick  Find all comments by should not cherry pick
Kev wrote:
Us circled around Christ on a throne is I'm not so so sure a real throne
Have you consider the following verses that support an actual throne?

Matt. 19:28 ... when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory..

Matt. 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: ...

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

plus the verses in Revelation 4:6&10; 5:1, 6,7,11,13; 7:9,10,11,15 ;20:11; 21:5 ;22:1&3

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News Item4/19/17 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Should not cherry pick wrote:
Just curious, not attempting to argue one way or the other, why don't you think the books are literal?
We certainly are not accusing you of charismatic errors
though it would be good to read, http://tinyurl.com/h5pcq5p (Charismatic Chaos: Sermon 4 - "Proper Biblical Interpretation")

Look at this first article particularly,
http://tinyurl.com/z9hvoby (The First Foundation: Consistent Literal Interpretation)
http://tinyurl.com/j6kntlp (Premillennialism – The Second Foundation)

http://tinyurl.com/zzqnf47 (Futurism – The Third Foundation)

http://tinyurl.com/hhzgf4o (Israel / Church Distinction – The 4th Foundation)

These are foundations for Dispensationalism. Look at the 1st paragraphs of, The Calvinistic Heritage of Disp

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News Item4/19/17 1:11 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Should not cherry pick wrote:
Sorry Kev not trying to get your ire up. Was just responding to your assertion that prophecy hermeneutics was dark and not intended to be literal. Seems like we have agreement Not all prophecy is literal and it's not all allegorical., context and comparing Scripture with Scripture matter. Thanks for your input
Yes that is just about it and to say that whenever you can interpret literally you should do so is not what the Bible instructs especially when it is a vision or a dream and I hear alway about "a constant literal interpretation" by some. I probably was not clear in my writing as some of the things you thought I was implying I did not mean to try and imply. Thanks and thanks for your thoughts as well.

Ask about a specific verse and I'll tell you what I think. The marriage Supper of the Lamb I believe is the union of believers to Christ not so much a literal interpretation of an actual meal. Us circled around Christ on a throne is I'm not so so sure a real throne but may very well symbolize all under the control and bowing to the will of Christ who has all power thus on his throne etc.. these are visions and some places are literal but a constant literal interpretation is never suggested when dealing with such

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News Item4/19/17 12:36 PM
Should not cherry pick  Find all comments by Should not cherry pick
Just curious, not attempting to argue one way or the other, why don't you think the books are literal?
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News Item4/19/17 12:33 PM
Should not cherry pick  Find all comments by Should not cherry pick
Sorry Kev not trying to get your ire up. Was just responding to your assertion that prophecy hermeneutics was dark and not intended to be literal. Seems like we have agreement Not all prophecy is literal and it's not all allegorical., context and comparing Scripture with Scripture matter. Thanks for your input
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News Item4/19/17 11:32 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Mike wrote:
Not interpreting all instances ..
Admittedly, I see it as proper that we let John speak for himself, for two reasons.
1. He apparently has no issue differentiating between the figurative and the literal, for he makes distinction in his speech. Perhaps it would be a good thing to follow his example
Sorry, Mike, it is not as simple as you make it to be. We are dealing with the whole of God's revelation, not specifically with a single book of the Bible.
Even in the book of Revelation itself the narratives go in and out of figurative speech without observing your specific rule. Just read through the book and you will see. Say in chapter 12, the woman represents Israel yet it is not specified that she is typifying a nation, this is deducted from intrinsic clues in the narrative and from general theological understanding or knowledge of other facts in Scripture .
Take care
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News Item4/19/17 10:50 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
should not cherry pick wrote:
not sure how Rev.5:11 could be referred to as a limited (specific) number. Turn the question back, are you saying the unsaved dead will not give account for their deeds and be cast into the lake of fire?
Your issue is that you have to account for parts of Revelation that you consider literal and parts you consider allegorical. Who is to say you are right and others are wrong?
I said specified not specific about that Rev passage. Did I say they won't be judged? It says the books will be opened and judged out of the books if I remember right that is what I commented on. That part seems "allegorized" to me. Show me where I said that it can never be literal or is always allegorized. I was talking about the "consistent literal approach" as not being correct. Yeah who knows I may very well be wrong! When did I say I was right and others were wrong? I even said you and me can only speculate that isn't a dogmatic stance saying I can only speculate.
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News Item4/19/17 10:31 AM
should not cherry pick  Find all comments by should not cherry pick
Kev wrote:
When he talks to the churches in chapter 2 and 3 was he talking about a vision or something he saw? In the great white throne judgement will they literally open up books? When they say worthy is the Lamb will there only be the specified amount of people in those verses who say that? Your missing the point that a literal approach is not the approach in everything that is given in visions and in dreams. You can't say the 144000 virgins has to be interpreted literal because you are suppose to have a literal interpretation of visions and dreams. The other things you asked about you have no idea if they will be literally fulfilled you and my answer to that would only be speculation.
not sure how Rev.5:11 could be referred to as a limited (specific) number. Turn the question back, are you saying the unsaved dead will not give account for their deeds and be cast into the lake of fire?
Your issue is that you have to account for parts of Revelation that you consider literal and parts you consider allegorical. Who is to say you are right and others are wrong?
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News Item4/19/17 10:10 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
should not cherry pick wrote:
Now you run into other issues.
Were the churches in chapters 2 and 3 allegorical? Are those gathered around the throne singing the praises of the Lamb not literal? Are the saints not going to utter Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth? Is there no marriage supper of the Lamb for His bride? Is the great white throne judgment a dark allegory? Was Peter also wrong because he also wrote about a new heaven and earth like that mentioned in Revelation?
When he talks to the churches in chapter 2 and 3 was he talking about a vision or something he saw? In the great white throne judgement will they literally open up books? When they say worthy is the Lamb will there only be the specified amount of people in those verses who say that? Your missing the point that a literal approach is not the approach in everything that is given in visions and in dreams. You can't say the 144000 virgins has to be interpreted literal because you are suppose to have a literal interpretation of visions and dreams. The other things you asked about you have no idea if they will be literally fulfilled you and my answer to that would only be speculation.
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News Item4/19/17 9:34 AM
should not cherry pick  Find all comments by should not cherry pick
Kev wrote:
You missed the content about my message being about VISIONS AND DARK SAYING when I started out with this line "So how can a "dark saying" be interpreted literally?"
Maybe I should of been clearer on that thanks though. That Kings passage is a warning though and is fulfilled as a sign that is different then prophetic visions which was my topic and more specifically it was about Rev. I didn't say that prophecy doesn't have a literal fulfillment I was talking about the interpreting of such passages as Rev.
Now you run into other issues.

Were the churches in chapters 2 and 3 allegorical? Are those gathered around the throne singing the praises of the Lamb not literal? Are the saints not going to utter Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth? Is there no marriage supper of the Lamb for His bride? Is the great white throne judgment a dark allegory? Was Peter also wrong because he also wrote about a new heaven and earth like that mentioned in Revelation?

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News Item4/19/17 9:01 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
our rock is not: the Pope, Mary, or physical Israel.

our rock is Jesus Christ.

died
risen
will come again

first for mercy, then for judgment

that is the rock

any other rock is a cult

and the idols of cults will let us down because they are fallible, and when given undue power will cause harm, as this power was never rightfully given in the first place and not under Christ's Provision.

see again:

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/dispen/jmacdis.htm

what he said was not just a "statement", he says its his presumption for reading scripture. and see how his "leaky dispensationalism" (he becomes more orthodox over time?) is a concern to these dispensationalists.. and see what they separate in their list!

and so the Jew and the Gentile were made one people in Christ, the stones of a building which the cornerstone is Christ, and this is the gospel, and this is what many dispensationalists call "evil".

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News Item4/19/17 8:32 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Should not cherry pick wrote:
Also, look at all the prophecies about Christ that were literally fulfilled. You're not saying they were literal are you? Best rethink your hermeneutics
You missed the content about my message being about VISIONS AND DARK SAYING when I started out with this line "So how can a "dark saying" be interpreted literally?"
Maybe I should of been clearer on that thanks though. That Kings passage is a warning though and is fulfilled as a sign that is different then prophetic visions which was my topic and more specifically it was about Rev. I didn't say that prophecy doesn't have a literal fulfillment I was talking about the interpreting of such passages as Rev.

Thank you for the correction.

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News Item4/19/17 6:25 AM
Do not cherry pick  Find all comments by Do not cherry pick
Oops. Meant to say were NOT literal
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