A group of female clergy from Iowa wrote a letter this week to publicly state their support of the abortion chain Planned Parenthood.
The letter, published in the Des Moines Register on Wednesday, included signatures from seven women pastors from the United Church of Christ, United Methodist Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Episcopal Church, Unitarian Universalist Association, Christian Church (Disciple of Christ) and Unity Church. A note included with the letter said the pastors were not speaking on behalf of their denominations or congregations.
The pastors praised Planned Parenthoodâs work and blasted a state bill that would defund the abortion group and redirect tax dollars to community health centers that donât provide abortions....
John y, sorry for speaking about you in your behalf but,
Who hear was rendered completely sinless upon conversion? Does John yurich not deserve time for conviction and sanctification? Were any of us less righteous than John? I believe God is working in this situation, in spite of one's involvement with Roman Catholicism. Or does anyone believe you must be made righteous and holy enough before you dare call on the name of the Lord? God help anyone for trying to allow the Holy Spirit to change them if that be the case!
Males have made them ripe for the spoil. They vote for men put unproductive, fruitless, immoral policies in place for them after the same men have put them in the predicament they finds themselves in.
Women need to become educated about God's design for them. And, for sure it is not for them to strive at all costs to become a perfect 10 toy. It is not for them to become discards after they have borne a few children who have made them grey haired. It is not for them to give their best years to a male/husband only to have him become sexual partners with his neighbor's daughter (today it may be the neighbor's son.) It certainly is not to have them buy creams, lubricants, powders, sprays, jewelry, have liposuction, breast implants, hair pieces (the list goes on and on for women) in order to keep him wearing that wedding ring, while he does little after a day's work or look for his balls (golf, basket, foot, tennis,etc.) an entire day. What ever happened to honest fishing?
Now women want to corrupt the pulpit (men have also) with another gospel.
The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to all men. It destroys all the work of the evil one. It frees one from tyranny of all sorts. There is refuge in the One Christians speak o
Some excellent and sound comments, JW, and Chris. I won't bother with the details, but I see John's crossover as progress, though there is still much to do and learn. Unfortunately, I get the impression that he does feel good things to sooth the conscience as, just in case, measures, which falls in line with a works theology, but also, a conscience that's questioning. Straddling between to opposing forces, and jumping between light and dark is troubling because, not only does the ability to comprehend seem nonexistent, but the ways in which evil has been justified in order to continue on within such a system ventures beyond rational logic. We can only pray that one day his back will be turned, and the dust shaken from the doctrines, and those who teach such evil things. What does light have in common with the darkness? Why straddle between Christ and Belial?
The other difficulty with Catholic baptism, is that as the initial sacrament, it is said to cleanse the baptismal candidate of all sin, i.e. baptismal regeneration.
However, according to Catholic theology, salvation is subsequently lost by sin, and must be primarily regained through confession to a priest, and his (the priest's) absolution, as well as good works, the sacraments, etc.
I believe the Eastern Orthodox also have similar views.
The Reformed and paedobaptist Protestant denominations reject baptismal regeneration as such, but replace it with a covenant theology that says that children of believers should be baptised, as being in the covenant with their parents, though coming to faith later on in life. Generally they will not baptise infants and children of non-believers.
The problem with all this, is that Biblically, baptism is primarily a sign for believers only of the faith that they already have.
As to the mode, we note that the Ethiopian eunuch went into the water, and even John the Baptist, with his OT style "mikvah" baptism baptised in the River Jordan.
Yet the paedobaptist Protestants and Reformed insist on sprinkling, pouring, or in rare cases with babies, a quick dip.
The Catholics do the same in the majority of their churches, though some
What confusion!! I am not only referring to the lady "pastors" who support abortion.
I also refer to those who are baptised as believers, without telling the pastor that they are also active practicing members of a church that is so opposed to everything their Baptist church believes in, and that they will have their baby children "baptised" or christened at a month old.
When those children grow up, and hopefully come out of the false and wrong doctrines of the church they have been baptised into, they will presumably submit to the Lord's command, and be baptised sanely every by immersion.
John Yurich USA wrote: I did not make the pastor of that Baptist Church that will be Baptizing me cognizant that I still attend the Catholic Church Mass on late Saturday afternoons as that is none of his business.
Are you saying the way you live your life is of no business to the Christian church you are joining? That does away with church discipline, preaching against sin, discipleship, exhortation by the brethren, even corporate pray for each other.
Think about the fact that you cannot be forthright and tell the truth to the pastor of that church in the area of how you practice your faith. You have to be a stealth member of false church. If church membership doesn't matter, as you have said ad nauseam, then why live a lie to that pastor and pretend you have no connections with a false religion and its sacraments when the truth is you faithfully participate in them every week? Does the pastor know the other members of his church regularly attend and participate in the false Catholic religion? If it isn't a problem for him, then why won't you be forthright?
Wayfarer Pilgrim wrote: Not surprising. Long time ago, the Catholic nunnery in Santa Fe, NM, did some excavation work on the premises. They found bones of infants buried beneath the floor of the nunnery. The babies necks had been broken. In the 1800's the nuns took in working girls who wanted refuge , don't know the explanation on the dead babies found.
Controversy in Ireland that is going on now, on what happened in Tuam.
just wondering wrote: did you tell the pastor who is baptizing you that you still faithfully attend the Catholic church and partake in Mass? Did you indicate that you were planning on only being Catholic once you moved away from the area? Was he cognizant of your plans to sprinkle your children from your marriage to a girl who could be your granddaughter as Catholics and raise them in the Catholic church? Is the pastor there a fan of country music as acceptable for Christians to listen to? just wondering
I did not make the pastor of that Baptist Church that will be Baptizing me cognizant that I still attend the Catholic Church Mass on late Saturday afternoons as that is none of his business. There is a married couple at that Baptist Church who are on the membership roll of that Baptist Church and they are also Catholics who also attend both the Catholic Church and that Baptist Church. And when I get married and have children they will be Baptized via immersion and not by sprinkling when they are less than a month old. There are members of that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings who like Country Music. The kind of Country Music I like is Bluegrass and wholesome Country Music songs about the cowboys and farm life.
John Yurich USA wrote: I go to Adult Sunday School before worship at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings. The attendance is very low at that Adult Sunday School class. This coming Sunday 26 March I will be Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings. The Baptism will take place in the indoor pool of a nearby hotel.
Lets hope the men will learn from your example, and certainly their kindness towards you will be remembered on the Last Day
Carl in Greensboro wrote: .. breaking the order of prophesying 2 or 3 at a time by having only one man speaking the entire time? My point is that we are so far removed from understanding the dynamic spirituality of the early Church that it is more likely that every congregation today is fostering error. For instance, ... speaking in tongues Phebe ... stood in front and read Romans to us? If we were Apollos would we tell Priscilla to shut up and let her husband straighten us out?
Carl, it can be dangerous to take things 'by the edge', say to draw doctrinal conclusions from instances with dubious proof of real practice, or that are simply incidentals not well assimilated. e.g. yes, there is hardly any biblical grounds for 'one-man-ministry', or 'one-man-prophesy' as you point out. Yet, tongues, known languages, were a sign to unbelievers for a time, and it is said that they should cease, 1Co 13:8 &14:22 But as for Phebe, Rm16:2, to abound in much work for the Lord does not mean leading publicly, neither Priscilla. Or do we understand that any 'service' one offers has only to do with the platform?
The key issue of the matter is that men are to be leaders in the church assimilating all the contributing gifts under such role
the sanctuary, to teach, preach, serve or preside at the holy communion, or even do Bible readings.
This business of female priests, pastors, ministers, and elders started in a small way in the late 19th century in some mainstream and independent Protrstant churches affected by the liberal theology coming out of the Germsn universities, and heretical Unitarian style groups, and then avalanched in the 1960's, into the larger churches like Episcopal, mainstream Lutheran, Presbyterian, etc, etc.
Dear Carl from Greensboro, women do indeed have one teaching ministry that is open to them, that is of teaching the other women. This could be done informally, which is the usual way in solid evangelical churches, or more formally through women only meetings and conferences st which no men are present. Such activities should still be under the covering of the male pastorate and eldership if the church.
They can also teach young children in a Sunday School setting, again under the cover of the male pastors and elders, personally however the overall leader and Sunday School superintendent should be male, and preferably an elder of the church.
Older children over the age of puberty should be segregated, boys taught by men, and girls by women, or a man if an adult lady is present, to ensure decency.
Of course the greatest teaching privilege for a woman is to teach her own children at home.
Otherwise she can gently and carefully counsel her husband, but he has the final decision.
Otherwise, all other teaching, leading and preaching offices are for men only, as that is what God has ordained, and we must submit to His order in the church. Even the very wrong churches such as the Catholics (until Vatican 2), and the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and women at not allowed in t
Their sons and daughters did prophesy, the maidservants and yes prophetess is even given mention. Firstly, these were signs, to attest to the authenticity of the gospel and the adherents professing it, they were themselves prophecy fulfilled. Secondly, when all this happened we were dealing with a yet closed Canon of scripture. Now these things have been preserved for us in the living word of god as promised, by God. How much more blessed are we, having not seen or touched, but only heard,yet believe? What is the Apostolic criteria given by Paul? 2cor.12/15.