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SUNDAY, JAN 8, 2017  |  215 comments  |  1 commentary
Bible students are warned...you may find the crucifixion too upsetting!
Theology students at the University of Glasgow in Scotland have been given "trigger warnings" and told they can leave class if depictions of Jesus Christ's crucifixion are too upsetting for them.

The Daily Mail reported on Wednesday that the university's decision is part of a trigger warning trend for teachers to tell students in advance about potentially upsetting material in class.

The trigger warning was reportedly issued for the course titled "Creation to Apocalypse: Introduction to the Bible (Level 1)," with university documents warning that the lectures sometimes contain "graphic scenes of the crucifixion, and this is flagged up to students beforehand." ...


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Erik Casey. | South Carolina  Contact via emailFind all comments by Erik Casey.
KEV you said "Erik your child is no more called out to the Lord than a child in an unbelievers house."
It is sad you've been taught to think this way about your children and God. I don't say that in any way to be condescending.

Rom 10:14-17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I don't believe you are Hyper-Calvinist so I think this passage will have meaning for you. The reprobate watches tv, plays sports, goes to movies, goes to government schools. Their time is filled with demonic teaching and therefore their chances of salvation is greatly reduced. I'm not limiting God's sovereignty or ability to save those outside the Church, but it's not the ordained and normal way.

In my house, we do family worship in the morning and at night, we abstain from all the worldly amusements that blasphemy God, and would drive our children into following after the lust of the flesh. We teach our children English from the bible, history from bible, creation from bible, Greek from bible. If believing comes from hearing, then my children, who are part of Christ's Kingdom have a much greater 'chance' of being saved. Let us not forget God's promises to our children.
Acts 2.39; Gen. 15.18; Gen. 17.7

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News Item1/16/17 8:23 AM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Thanks dear lurker will consider and pay and refer to scripture.
God bless mate
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News Item1/15/17 11:20 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Dave wrote:
I'm sorry dear lurker, I've never heard that interpretation
How could the new covenant not begin with the risen Christ? Proof of accepted sacrifice was risen from death, ascension.
God bless
Hey Dave,

I've gone way over my limit in posting already and don't want to branch out into covenants. If you disagree that's fine. But here's something to think about.

If the NC began at Pentecost, why did Phillip baptize the eunuch on the order of John's baptism? John and Phillip ministered the office of the Levitical priesthood and in the NC we have a new priesthood on the order of Melchisedec.

Be blessed.

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News Item1/15/17 10:04 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
I'm sorry dear lurker, I've never heard that interpretation
How could the new covenant not begin with the risen Christ? Proof of accepted sacrifice was risen from death, ascension.
God bless
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News Item1/15/17 8:14 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Brother Lurker, I agree and disagree with your premise, if that makes sense.
Hey brother. Thanks for your reply.

I did mention that Pentecost would be a problem because many believe that is when the New Covenant began. I disagree believing it began when the promised new name (Is 62:2, 65:15, Rev 2:17) was given at Antioch.

That said, I can simplify my belief by saying that I believe OT circumcision and NT baptism are one and the same, just different figures depicting the same spiritual reality. This is reasonably established by comparing 1 Cor 10:2 to Joshua 5:2-7.

So; two covenants, Sinai (works) and Zion (faith, Rom 3:27), 2 circumcisions (flesh and heart) which are the same as the 2 baptisms (cleanse flesh and cleanse heart). Circumcision/baptism simply brings the recipient into covenant... either Sinai or Zion.

Paul commanded that all remain in the state of their calling (1 Cor 7:18). He also taught that if one becomes circumcised, Christ is of no profit (Gal 5:2) but is bound by the law.

My belief is based on circumcision and baptism being one and the same. If you can present a compelling argument that they are not the same, I'm certainly willing to listen.

God rich blessings to you and yours.

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News Item1/15/17 5:46 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Brother Lurker, I agree and disagree with your premise, if that makes sense. I believe you are correct, there is a spiritual baptism at regeneration. But the baptisms mentioned by other poster took place after the day of Pentecost. Cornelius and the Ethiopian Eunuch were both Gentiles. Even Paul was told to arise and be baptized 3 days after his salvation, if it is only a spiritual work, then he had no need to arise for it to happen.

If baptism is only the spiritual work then Paul's words to the Corinthians make no sense, the preaching and acceptance of the gospel would be the baptism of which you speak, why make a point that Christ sent him not to baptize if it is only the spiritual work that takes place at salvation? Why say that they were not baptized in his or Apollos' name, or name distinct individuals that he baptized, seeing that he told them they have one father who had begotten them through the gospel, in essence all their baptisms would be due to his preaching?

Also, the practice of the early church and quotes from church fathers argues for water baptism of the converted.

May have to agree to disagree here, but I don't agree that water baptism is not a step of obedience for those who are Spirit baptized.

God bless you dear brother.

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News Item1/15/17 2:32 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
the apostles do not hold your (view) wrote:
1) Act 8:36-38 

2) Acts 10:47

3) II Peter 3

I was hoping someone would bring these verses up. Thanks.

1) Phillip's baptism was the same as John's. There is no mention of baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Eunuch was effectively circumcised in the flesh (same as John's water baptism) which brought him under the bond and yoke of the Sinai covenant. The eunuch's baptism was no different that Abraham's... he believed while in uncircumcision. This poses a problem to all who hold to the tradition that the new covenant began at Pentecost. The first covenant still stood when the letter to the Hebrews was written.

2) The house of Cornelius had already been baptized with the Holy Spirit before they were baptized with water which is the opposite order from Pentecost. This instance is an exception to the norm not only for that reason but also because its contrary to the "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" rule. I don't have a better answer. If you do I'd be happy to listen.

3) Peter is speaking of Living Water baptism that saves souls and differentiates between John's baptism for the filth of the flesh and Holy Spirit baptism (regeneration) which is of the heart (conscience).

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News Item1/15/17 1:38 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Kev wrote:
I feel the same way that's why I have told Erik many times that I don't mind Presbyterians and have gone to Presbyterian Churches. But what I've seen from many Presbyterians is not this same acceptance and I see some scorn in some I have talked to. Not sure where Erik spoke out against 'pietism' though. God bless Sister Penned.
Hey James thanks for the verses. Hope all has been well with you brother. God bless. Always good to look at the Bible through the lens of the NT and let scripture interpret scripture and give emphasis on apostolic commentary on OT scripture/types and pictures. Word searches are great as you pointed out!
And blessings to you as well Kev!
Good points you have there. Here is a word search I did today. Here are two verses from a great many. Another interesting aspect is that H1697 is a masculine noun.

Pro 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: H1697 but the honour of kings is to search out a matter. H1697

Ecc 8:1
Who is as the wise man? and who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? H1697 a man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed.

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News Item1/15/17 10:55 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
penned wrote:
the reformers spent generations working through these things, is it really that easy? I have no animosity towards our presbytarian friend here, in fact, I'm thankful he's brought out some legitimate concerns as to the pietism so prevalent today. (separating the disciplines from the public life witness)
Glad to see the comments as well that reflect many are studying the Word themselves.
I feel the same way that's why I have told Erik many times that I don't mind Presbyterians and have gone to Presbyterian Churches. But what I've seen from many Presbyterians is not this same acceptance and I see some scorn in some I have talked to. Not sure where Erik spoke out against 'pietism' though. God bless Sister Penned.

Hey James thanks for the verses. Hope all has been well with you brother. God bless. Always good to look at the Bible through the lens of the NT and let scripture interpret scripture and give emphasis on apostolic commentary on OT scripture/types and pictures. Word searches are great as you pointed out!

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News Item1/15/17 10:41 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Kev wrote:
If we all just stuck to the clear meaning of what the scripture says there wouldn't be all this division. It's strange how a group can claim 'Sola Scriptura' yet can't back what they do by scripture alone as we have seen many times.
Your comments are spot on Bro.

Many do claim 'Sola Scriptura' but they also carry 'their own' dictionary that defines the terms God spoke which can lead one creating their own cistern(Jer. 2:13 speaks of this very same thing in a metaphoric poetic way.) which demand works for things God never asked for. This happens today.

The 'Old Preacher' sums it up well.

Ecc 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Gal 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one Word...

LOVE.

The Gospel is the Word...Love.

(Romans 10) Faith by hearing and hearing by 'The WORD'.
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Edit:Great comment Penned...

"Glad to see the comments as well that reflect many are studying the Word themselves."

Reminds me of Isaiah 54:13 and John 6:45

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News Item1/15/17 10:21 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
the reformers spent generations working through these things, is it really that easy? I have no animosity towards our presbytarian friend here, in fact, I'm thankful he's brought out some legitimate concerns as to the pietism so prevalent today. (separating the disciplines from the public life witness)

Glad to see the comments as well that reflect many are studying the Word themselves.

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News Item1/15/17 10:15 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Hey James great comments.

Lurker you helped me on Romans 6 when it used the word 'likeness' I think I had been misunderstanding what that word meant in the context. I think I understand the meaning better now.

Ladybug great conclusion. If we all just stuck to the clear meaning of what the scripture says there wouldn't be all this division. It's strange how a group can claim 'Sola Scriptura' yet can't back what they do by scripture alone as we have seen many times.

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News Item1/15/17 10:13 AM
the apostles do not hold your | view  Find all comments by the apostles do not hold your
Lurker wrote:
For the benefit of those who may be puzzled by my comment.
Act 8:36-38  And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?  And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.  And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Acts 10:47

When Peter referenced baptism in II Peter 3, he referenced water.

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News Item1/15/17 10:06 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
There are infants by age, then there are infants in Christ by being born again who can be 70 years of age. Set aside a literal perspective for just a minute and follow His Word.

Eph. 5:26
That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by 'The Word'...

How is one washed with The Word?

'He' is sanctifying and cleansing.(See Acts 15:9)

John 15:3
Now ye are clean through The Word which I have spoken unto you.

Here is the 'living' water.

Jhn 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Same living water here.

Rev 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Jhn 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

What is this living water?

Jer. 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

cisterns = traditions of men

Living water is Love.
God is Love.
Love is 'The Word'.

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News Item1/15/17 2:04 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Erik Casey wrote:
Now please consider how Baptist theology divides the Church.

4. Divides the Family
Erik, I hardly think Baptists can be blamed for division of families. Observe and learn:

Hearken to the words of my Saviour:

Luke 12:51-53 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: (52) For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. (53) The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

As for division between church and state, I saw a film recently called "Oliver" which is all about how Oliver Cromwell came to be Lord Protector of England, ruling in accordance with the justice of God and fighting for the common man (literally). Have you seen it? Or read about it?

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News Item1/15/17 1:17 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Lurker wrote:
I believe there is one NC baptism for Gentiles which began with Paul's calling; to be baptized into the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus by Living Waters aka the Holy Spirit. Find a man who can confer the Holy Spirit and he is qualified to baptize.
For the benefit of those who may be puzzled by my comment.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lower water is wrongly assumed here base on John's baptism.

Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

This baptism clearly speaks of His death, burial and resurrection.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Again, no mention of water. Its wrongly assumed.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism....

Promised:

Deut 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Ezek 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean...

Regeneration, baptism of Living Water aka Holy Spirit.

Infants?

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News Item1/15/17 12:16 AM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
ladybug wrote:
It isn't just 'Baptist theology' that causes division, so does Presby theology, Methodist, Lutheran, RCC, etc. Whenever man upholds creeds and church doctrine as equal to Holy Writ, you can bet division will ensue. A simple request was put forth, show from scripture the verse that mandates infant baptism. None was provided; rather, rabbit trails were given and reprimands to any who disagreed.
Nowhere does the bible command we put ourselves in any 'camp' or adhere to any denomination. Labeling in such a way only causes division and is from the enemy of God's people. Look at all the various denominations/non-denominational churches in America and all their 'statement of faith' - the variations are overwhelming. Yet, the bible says 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism'. It only takes the meddling of man to ruin what was plain and simple.
When one has no desire for learning and only seeks to push forth an agenda, it's pointless to engage them.
The Bible alone is the standard for God's elect, and the Holy Ghost is the teacher. All who hunger and thirst for truth will seek it through God the Spirit and His truth. What we believe must line up exactly as the bible states, or it must be rejected.
yep.
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News Item1/14/17 11:52 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
It isn't just 'Baptist theology' that causes division, so does Presby theology, Methodist, Lutheran, RCC, etc. Whenever man upholds creeds and church doctrine as equal to Holy Writ, you can bet division will ensue. A simple request was put forth, show from scripture the verse that mandates infant baptism. None was provided; rather, rabbit trails were given and reprimands to any who disagreed.
Nowhere does the bible command we put ourselves in any 'camp' or adhere to any denomination. Labeling in such a way only causes division and is from the enemy of God's people. Look at all the various denominations/non-denominational churches in America and all their 'statement of faith' - the variations are overwhelming. Yet, the bible says 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism'. It only takes the meddling of man to ruin what was plain and simple.

When one has no desire for learning and only seeks to push forth an agenda, it's pointless to engage them.

The Bible alone is the standard for God's elect, and the Holy Ghost is the teacher. All who hunger and thirst for truth will seek it through God the Spirit and His truth. What we believe must line up exactly as the bible states, or it must be rejected.

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News Item1/14/17 11:41 PM
Erik Casey | Greenville SC  Find all comments by Erik Casey
Yes it's time to call it quits.

I'll leave you with the words of my Savior.

Mar 3:24 KJV - 24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

Now please consider how Baptist theology divides the Church.

1. Divides man from his history
2. Divides the Church today from the sound teaching of the Past
3. Divides the NT from the OT
4. Divides the Family
5. Divides the Church
6. Divides the State from the Church

They say that as the Church goes so goes the culture. Our culture murders children, marries sodomites, and has transgender bathrooms. We do live in a Baptist country- go FoR.

Zec 8:14 KJV - 14 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the LORD of hosts, and I repented not:

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News Item1/14/17 11:33 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Erik Casey wrote:
Kev, use what word you will, God has only one Church:
II. One Church: The Church of the OT and NT is one Church; God has one people with two administrations.
In the above you are absolutely right and the Church is the body of Christ and an unbelieving child is not part of this 'Church'.

It's really very simple.

Going to sleep you have a goodnight Erik.

Maybe reread these comments as it all seems fairly clear.

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