Oklahoma judge orders Ten Commandments monument removed
An Oklahoma County judge has ordered that a Ten Commandments monument on the grounds of the state Capitol be removed within 30 days.
District Judge Thomas Prince handed down the order Friday and gave state officials until October 12 to take down the 6-foot-tall granite monument.
Prince issued the ruling after denying a motion filed by Attorney General Scott Pruitt's office alleging that the Oklahoma Supreme Court's June 30 order to remove the monument expressed an unconstitutional hostility toward religion....
s c wrote: Lurker...you know my motives? Heaven help you if you're wrong. For a Christian that's a very bold statement to make without really knowing. I had left this item after Dolores started posting again about her good works/life. I happened to see that Dorcas had left a post and so decided to see how "s c" was still being a troublemaker even after being off the forum. All I can say is that if Lurker can misjudge my motives based on a simple "boo hoo" in response to someone who likes drama and incorrectly accuses people who disagree with her to deem them as bullies...I think that the real bully remains unchallenged. I'm a little surprised,though I shouldn't be,how one ecumenical lover can wield so much influence over others on a Christian news site. ...sign of the times
Did the same person say
Lurker...you know my motives? Heaven help you if you are wrong.
Please examine your motives and maybe your eyes before posting in error
A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways
Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
The new age of God is dead, so speak, as mankind raises its scepter to take over where God went wrong or to announce that God has changed. I've never viewed the enforement of the separation of church and state as anything other than defiance, choosing sides and taking a stand against God. Constitutional law, really, or is the legal system simply a disguise here for society's ever increasing hatred for the God of creation, the God of the bible?
As for the other thing, I'm a little confused. My apology for causing a stir was sincere, of course, but that doesnt mean my mind has changed on a thing or two that I previously disagreed with. (?)
It is not the monument neither whose 'right' it is to keep it nor whose 'right' it is to remove it. What is at stake here is the Authority that is represented by the words upon it. These same words in the original Hebrew were written by the finger of God on tablets of stone, that were given to Moses. Are they with us this day?
It is the Divine writer that would make the words, not the stone precious, because it is God's Law/word come down to man in a summary that is to remind him of what was written on his heart at creation but corrupted by the fall. Now it is written in the Scriptures of God and upon the hearts of his redeemed.
The lewd and wicked men of this generation are seeking to remove God's authority by removing the monument. How ridiculous! Who gives them the authority to remove God's rule of law? Him that sustains their every breath?
Isa 2:22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?
I actually love those that have hurt me and angered me at times. I think. maybe I needed their rebuke and God used thme to teach me something. I have my beliefs that have changed over the years. I learned about the Holy Spirit from my in-laws and the Pentecostal churches I attended. Wonderful times I had there but God moved me on to other places and other churches. I have no idea how I landed on here but I did and learned things here also. Just more brethen to love and learn from. I do not believe all roads lead to God but God is perfectly able to move people into His truths i in His timing. I have heard testimony from Muslims, Jews, and others that have converted to Christ. So I do not judge these people as going to hell. God has worked miracles in lives to reach them. OK, I am done here defending myself and there will be no more reacting to comments that might not be exactly what I want to hear.well, let's just say, God is helping me work on it. Have a blessed Lord's Day, Christropher.
Christropher, apology accepted. And I apology for letting things get to the point smoke is coming out of my ears. No excuse for my bad behavior.I was still feeling guilty over Jessica, I almost didn't respond to the post but the Holy Spirit gently nudged me to do so and I only said what was in my heart. I admitted, I was reacting in the flesh and her scriptures brought peace to me as I read "we are known as Christian by our love for the brethen". I had always felt that you were one of those. Dave is another one, Nat who has only commented a few times, that I have read. Pennned even though we don't always see eye to eye. Unprofitable Servant, Mike from New York, Lurker, Jessica, and those that I can't remember like kitty cat, on and on's post, Michael H. John Uk etc.
Lastly, I'm fully aware that what my mind ia thinking doesn't always jive with the way the words actually come out. This issue tends to arise when my comments get too wordy, taking more time than really necessary to reach points. Please feel free to ask for clarification if it's ever needed or if anyone takes offense to anything I say because it's most likely a misunderstanding. I'm far from perfect and invite constructive correction, even admonishment, etc. Thank you.
Jessia, I'm sorry that you were hurt and felt shunned, but that wasn't the case. This is just one of those threads that went south, as they do at times. Mistakes were made, commemts were misworded, feelings were hurt, and I chose to open my big mouth, inadvertently stoking the flames to add to it all, so I would like to apologize to you as well, hoping you read this and will return to people who care about you. We're all learning, growing, and make mistakes, being fully justified, sanctified, and born from above, but also, fully human. I hope we can all (I know I can) put this all behind us, and having learned from it, move forward and become even closer.
For the record, and to enforce the fact that I've always supported.you, I've always steere clear of these conversations because I don't like how you're spoken to at times, whether it's an issue I disagree with or not. Like I said, you fully misunderstood me, but after breaking it all down, I can see it was my fault for not really thinking how I was wording it all while typing. My going.from hardheaded to the right way...I'm not sure that's how I worded it, but simply meant that once I began really listening, and researching, some of my doctrines changed. I'm really saddened to read about Jessica and I hope she's reading so she knows how much she's cared for and adored, and also realize that we are all works in progress. I've never been against you, Dolores, but do convey my thoughts wrong at times. I'd like to apologize to you for not being clear and for hurting.you and to everyone here for even getting involved which was against my better judgement. I should have listened to myself, but I can be hard headed.
After giving this a lot of thought, I figured I'd stop by again after all to do some damage control. Dolores, I had no idea why you were so furious, coming at me the way you did. After reading the breakdown, now I do. Let me.address those items.so.you (all).know where.my thouggts were at as opposed to how things shounded. First, "dislike" is still the polar opposite of whats true. "Hard headed"...in my mind, this is the same as stubborn, and a word I use in daily life in a.completely innocent, jokingly way, often times including myself. I'm sorry you found it cruel of me, so I apologize for that. As for mentiining that I appreciate SC's honesty...I have no idea what had been said to.Jessica or to.you, for that matter, and was.merely speaking very generally, having nothing whatsoever to.do with this particular thread. I was merely saying, like I told Dave recently, that I admire those who say what's on their mind as opposed to conforming to the likes and dislikes of status quo, etc.
No sorry I don't roll like that, let's all ask our Lord Jesus Christ for the love and wisdom to move on, we may continue to learn from each other and the word, so graciously preserved for us. Ya Neva know we may all come to agreement on the gospel :-)
Lurker...you know my motives? Heaven help you if you're wrong. For a Christian that's a very bold statement to make without really knowing. I had left this item after Dolores started posting again about her good works/life. I happened to see that Dorcas had left a post and so decided to see how "s c" was still being a troublemaker even after being off the forum. All I can say is that if Lurker can misjudge my motives based on a simple "boo hoo" in response to someone who likes drama and incorrectly accuses people who disagree with her to deem them as bullies...I think that the real bully remains unchallenged. I'm a little surprised,though I shouldn't be,how one ecumenical lover can wield so much influence over others on a Christian news site. ...sign of the times
Dolores, In all Christian charity, I must tell you that your posts are nothing but pot-stirring. Please let it alone, before you alienate good brothers and sisters in the Lord. We all need to do a lot more praying before we let our fingers loose on the keyboard. I exhort you and s c to please leave it be. This is not honouring to the Lord or of any benefit to people reading these posts. Please consider and pray about this matter.
ladybug wrote: Lurker, This will be my final response.
Thanks for setting the record straight. I admit I responded in anger and anger has a way of clouding vision and judgment. I apologize for lumping your motives in with sc's motives. In retrospect, that was wrong and very unfair on my part. I do recall over the months that you were diligent to post links to expose error but always refrained from insults and belittling. So..... in anger I publicly lashed out at all who may have had a part in hurting Jessica and in public I offer my apology to you, Ladybug.
I almost didn't respond to her because of someone getting the wrong idea and Ladybug and sc did just what I was afraid of and so I do regret that..I have been through enough pain and drama in my life, and reading Job everyday and Matthew Henry's commentary, lately has put things in perspective especially the fact that I have not been through what Christ has. So I guess we will part ways so you wont get in trouble with Frank's followers. You know the ones. Davy, you better do the same..you see I am on the leper list.
Sorry, Chris, maybe hate the RC is a strong word so I'll change it to "dislike" like you changed "hardheaded" to stubborn. If that wasn't cruel enough then you went on to say they changed you from being the hardhead to being what everybody said is the right way. Read your last line about how you liked the way sc posts. You like the way she was scoffing at Jessica??!! Saying "boo hoo" to her and me. Ice water runs in her veins is all I can say. I am called names by some, scoffed at by others and you want me to get with the program? I am disappointed in you because I cared about you and so I responded. Lurker, loved Jessica, and she is more in need of his protection than anyone on here. I am a Baptist and go to a church of over a thousand people, with lots of activities going on. She is an invalid and this was one place she felt she could be a part of, be an encouragement.