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FRONT PAGE  |  6/3/2015
WEDNESDAY, SEP 3, 2014  |  28 comments  |  1 commentary
Christian singer: Jesus may have lied about Adam, Noah

Gungor, who previously believed in biblical creation before accepting the concept of theistic evolution, now thinks the creation account in Genesis is merely a poem.

“So to take the poem of Genesis 1, for instance, and try to make it into a science textbook is to just, is to kill the thing,” said Gungor. Now, I say poem because that’s actually what it is. The way it’s lined up and divided, with repetition and the days, how they’re ordered, it is a poem. So, I think it absolutely has amazing value, and I think it has for billions of people for thousands of years.”

“And for thousands of years or at least hundreds of years, people in Christian history have been saying things like hey, you can’t try to read the Bible as a science book when science conflicts with the Bible and your reading of the Bible,” he said.

“Re-read the Bible. Change that, because you’re probably the one that’s wrong; and if ...


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News Item9/4/14 8:00 PM
runethegoon | texas  Find all comments by runethegoon
Article should read " Gungor may have lied about his Christian profession.
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News Item9/4/14 10:56 AM
Carl E | Australia  Find all comments by Carl E
Another "wise" fool....
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News Item9/4/14 10:50 AM
Dolores | Tx  Find all comments by Dolores
I totally agree, John UK, and if we don't read for ourselves what the Bible says and allow the Holy Spirit, who inspired the Bible in the first place,teach us the truths of God then we will believe any wind of doctrine, heresy or not. Really, the safest version to read is King James that has stayed the same all these years without any changes. I have no problem reading that version which I have read since I was teenager newly saved.
that we no should no longer be children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head-Christ...Ephesians 4:14-15.NKJV
All Scriptue is given by inspiration of God,and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof,for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.2Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV All, not some, not what you think is right or what you approve of but ALL Scriptures!!

Mediate on what you read and ask Him to reveal His truths to you. The NKjV has been a favorite also. I can look and study nature and see that it had to be created by God.Like David said, we are wonderfully made.

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News Item9/4/14 6:32 AM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
Quite so, and I think it's also true that very few worldlings even know that the Bible tells us that Jesus created all things. Maybe even many Christians did not know that. All the more reason to continually read the word of God and let it soak in until, like John Bunyan, we have "bibline blood" flowing through our veins.
The Nicene Creed is a foundational Creed accepted by Christians, including the Blessed Reformed Tradition. Our affirmation of one baptism doesnt mean the water takes away sin.

But it was a good attempt for you to slither in here and slander ELECT Christinas of the last 17 centuries though

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News Item9/4/14 4:15 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
GSTexas wrote:
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Considering Christ created Adam and Noah like this verse demonstrates, Id think he would know what he is talking about when he made mention of them.
Quite so, and I think it's also true that very few worldlings even know that the Bible tells us that Jesus created all things. Maybe even many Christians did not know that. All the more reason to continually read the word of God and let it soak in until, like John Bunyan, we have "bibline blood" flowing through our veins.
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News Item9/4/14 3:54 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
That is blasphemy stating that the Lord Jesus lied.
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News Item9/4/14 1:12 AM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Considering Christ created Adam and Noah like this verse demonstrates, Id think he would know what he is talking about when he made mention of them.

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News Item9/3/14 10:04 PM
wiggooch | Nd  Find all comments by wiggooch
John UK wrote:
When you consider the unbelief of Drs Westcott and Hort in evangelical doctrine and especially the first three chapters of Genesis, and then consider that these men alone produced a new Greek text which was subtly introduced to the translation of the Revised Version New Testament in 1881, and then consider that around that time Darwin's theory of evolution was wreaking havoc within Christendom, as also was liberal thinking and interpreting the Bible miracles as "natural occurrences", you begin to build up a picture of a continual onslaught against the Bible, that faith might be caused to doubt, and Christian distinctives blurred. Why else would Satan introduce all these strategies if he only had to leave people alone in their heart unbelief.
Besides, "faith" is a "persuasion", as the Greek shows.
I thank God that the King James Bible is still being printed and believed.
Amen! Well said, brother.
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News Item9/3/14 5:35 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
from the news:
“And for thousands of years or at least hundreds of years, people in Christian history have been saying things like hey, you can’t try to read the Bible as a science book when science conflicts with the Bible and your reading of the Bible,” he said."

True. You have to read it as though it were the word of God, which doesn't limit what it says to the narrow field of naturalism, which is what the detractors mean when they say "science." If "science" disagrees with what the written word says, "science" believes in fairytales. This shouldn't be hard to see, and no Christian need ever go on defense against the ignorance of the detractors.

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News Item9/3/14 4:33 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
Rodney K. wrote:
What blasphemy to accuse "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" of lying. Jesus spoke only those words that were given to Him by the Father. It is impossible for God to lie. This dude's postmodern thinking not only denigrates the Almighty and undermines the authority of His word, it also makes Jesus a sinner and therefore an unworthy, insufficient propitiation. Shame on him and shame on the so-called "churches" that have neglected to teach even basic theology to their people.
[...] those people caught up in postmodern neo-orthodoxy would prefer to make up a "Jesus" in their own minds than to study God's word to find out what He says about Himself.
I agree, yes, and amen!

The Words of Jesus in John 8:43-45 (NIV):

"Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!"

John 8:43-45 KJV

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News Item9/3/14 4:15 PM
Jamie | Iowa  Find all comments by Jamie
Jeremiah 6:16 - Thus saith The Lord, stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths. Where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said we will not walk therein.
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News Item9/3/14 3:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
ThomasM wrote:
"I think this has a lot to do with what Bible translation we use. I'm sure he's never read an authorized version."
No! I'm pretty sure that unbelief comes from the heart whether someone reads one of the better translations or not. Otherwise, how can you explain unbelief among those who were around Jesus; including Judas?
When you consider the unbelief of Drs Westcott and Hort in evangelical doctrine and especially the first three chapters of Genesis, and then consider that these men alone produced a new Greek text which was subtly introduced to the translation of the Revised Version New Testament in 1881, and then consider that around that time Darwin's theory of evolution was wreaking havoc within Christendom, as also was liberal thinking and interpreting the Bible miracles as "natural occurrences", you begin to build up a picture of a continual onslaught against the Bible, that faith might be caused to doubt, and Christian distinctives blurred. Why else would Satan introduce all these strategies if he only had to leave people alone in their heart unbelief.

Besides, "faith" is a "persuasion", as the Greek shows.

I thank God that the King James Bible is still being printed and believed.

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News Item9/3/14 1:06 PM
ThomasM | South Dakota  Find all comments by ThomasM
"I think this has a lot to do with what Bible translation we use. I'm sure he's never read an authorized version."

No! I'm pretty sure that unbelief comes from the heart whether someone reads one of the better translations or not. Otherwise, how can you explain unbelief among those who were around Jesus; including Judas?

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News Item9/3/14 11:26 AM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
I wonder if Mr. Gungor realizes he is propagating satans oldest, and most effective attack against God:

Hath God said?

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News Item9/3/14 10:42 AM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
Theistic evolution, like the term agnostic, is a cloak for cowardice. This is worse than the Richard Dawkins of the world. This musician would eat the food of demons AND true food. Like someone posted earlier. ..you can't be a Christian and call Christ, the LORD GOD, a liar.
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News Item9/3/14 10:37 AM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,

(1 Timothy 4:1-2 ESV)

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News Item9/3/14 9:46 AM
D. Philpott  Find all comments by D. Philpott
Satan is using all kinds of trickery to remove Scripture from the human race. The suggestion that Genesis does not proclaim the truth is just another blinker to the already opaque darkness of the sinner. Without the Holy Spirit's revelation the Bible to these reprobates will be just a mythological historic story, a fiction. To perceive the truth and receive the truth you must be born again. Gungor and his many Liberal colleagues cannot see the truth because they do not have faith.
Hebrews 11: 3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear"
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News Item9/3/14 8:55 AM
pennnned  Find all comments by pennnned
seems that the money changers are creating the music by which our youth "worship" God. miss the choirs and voices lifted up to the Lord!
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News Item9/3/14 8:21 AM
General  Find all comments by General
I think this has a lot to do with what Bible translation we use. I'm sure he's never read an authorized version.
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News Item9/3/14 7:23 AM
runethegoon | texas  Find all comments by runethegoon
Mr Gungor, if you really believe Jesus may have lied about Adam and Noah, then I would say it's time to put down the christian card. STOP being dishonest to your self and go make secular music and have to compete with the big acts...
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