Joel Osteen's wife accused of 'blasphemous' remarks
Victoria Osteen, wife of megachurch minister Joel Osteen and co-pastor of the Houston, Texas, Lakewood Church is under fire for comments being called blasphemous during a recent Sunday morning service.
They were captured on video and posted to YouTube.
Osteen, addressing the churchâ€™s large congregation as her husband stood by nodding his head in agreement, said, â€śI just want to encourage everyone of us to realize when we obey God, weâ€™re not doing it for God â€“ I mean, thatâ€™s one way to look at it â€“ weâ€™re doing it for ourselves, because God takes pleasure when weâ€™re happy.
â€śSo I want you to know this morning: Just do good for your own self. Do good because God wants you to be happy. When you come to church, when you worship Him, youâ€™re not doing it for God really. Youâ€™re doing it for yourself, because thatâ€™s what makes God happy. Amen?â€ť...
And God got through that time. The business did good and the older truck he left( he took the newer one) kept running, money was saved and God brought good out of the whole mess. God never promished us good times as a matter of fact Jesus warned us that we would have troubles in this world because the world hated Him so would they hate his followers but to not fear,he overcame the world so would we. He promished never to leave us nor forsake us and that brings me great joy and peace.
Tara, you are right happiness depends on outward circumstances, whether you get aparking place close to the mall or whatever. What happens when you don't get the A or someone cuts in front of you and gets your parking space. Do you get angry, blame God or do you say I need the exercise and maybe I better study harder and get that A. No, the younger generations can't begin to relate to what real hardship was in my grandmother's time and that was my point. You have joy even when times are hard and the Olsteens happiness is actually fluff compared to the percutions of chritians that are being beheaded because they refuse to deny their faith in God. What are those that are being raised to believe that God wants us to be happy all the time, what about when you are given the news that you have cancer or you are losing your home because your husband got hurt in an accident and can no longer work or a baby dies with diptheria like what happened to my mother. Much later 14 yrs. she had me and much later at age 14 my father left us for another woman. At least the fighting stopped and God got us through that bad time, the business flourished and she saved money. Did she give her faith up, no. Did she think God didn't love her, maybe at times but she never gave up on God and he brought us t
All this talk about what did she 'really' mean by her words reminds me of the words "Arbeit Macht Frei" (work makes you free) that the Nazis used in their concentration camps. Someone wrote that in order to change a culture, you change the language first (and then educate the youth accordingly). Who can forget President Bill Clinton saying 'well, it depends on what 'is' means'?
Older people hang onto old concepts like having babies born in farmhouses; younger people cannot relate to this!
For Osteen's audience, happiness means finding a parking spot close to the front door of the mall. For the older people, they think he means the Joy of the Lord mentioned in the Bible.
Many secular people are working on what makes us happy--a recent article I saw said that it is unexpected victories, like getting an A in algebra when you only thought you would get a C. Or the cooler summer temps that many Up North have experienced.
Dolores Wrote: ...sometimes I tend to focus too much on this life and get upset when things aren't what I want them to be, rather than keeping my eyes on Jesus and that blessed hope of things to come after this life.
Same here, Dolores, and I think most would feel the same. Being finite beings and only being able to see what our eyes limit us to, it's easy to concentrate on the world itself along with all the problems and challenges we face each day. I think it takes a lot of effort to see past these temporary things because life seems to tick by so slowly, but what a relief when we get those glimpses of the great beyond and remember that this life is short, temporary, and the real you and me...our spirits, will soon seperate from these tired bodys and go home to begin living.
Thank you, John, for your comments also. They are encouraging and a blessing to me and sometimes make me search the scriptures to learn more. Jessica, enjoy your kind husband's gift and I'm happy for you. May God send more blessings your way and to you also, john UK.
My grandmother had all her children at home. She used to sing songs like Angel band, come and around me stand, oh bear me away on your snowy wings to my immortal home as she did her chores without the convience of modern appliances. Could it be that she looked forward to another life that there are no words to describe it as Paul said. I'm like Jessica, sometimes I tend to focus too much on this life and get upset when things aren't what I want them to be, rather than keeping my eyes on Jesus and that blessed hope of things to come after this life.
The sinners happiness is not what God is seeking to achieve in HIS disciple. What God does achieve in the converted sinner is salvation and the knowledge of salvation. The sinner can obey only because of grace and the indwelling Holy Spirit. Hence the saved sinner knows joy by the grace of God and knows his/her sin by the same. One brings joy the other brings fear and doubt. Both are in Christian experience.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Let me clear up what I said since some have misunderstood my comment. I don't know what happiness means to the Olsteens but I do not agree with the health, wealth type happiness. Actually, happiness has to do with outward circumstances, if things are going good, we are maybe happy, bad not happy. Living a christian life brings peace and joy no matter what is going on around us. Sort of like being in the eye of the storm, peace in the midst of the storms of life and joy knowing we have heaven to look forward to. Even though we have sad times and depression and even when being disciplined by God for some sin in our lives, it's still a wonderful life. We are content to be full or have less as Paul said. I know christians that are very rich and they use that money for God's glory and christians that are very poor and still loved and served God because God gave them His blessings.My grandparents owned a farm which served their needs. He had lots of land and no vehicle other than a wagon and mule to do the work. They had no running water, just a well. No electricity, just a battery run radio. They raised 10 kids on this farm including my mom. They went miles to a church in a wagon drawn by a mule. So I know what Paul meant when he said, godliness with contentment is great gain. My gra
I think all of this is a matter of mistaken identity. The Olsteen's happiness vs the fullness of joy that is found only in Jesus (John 3:29, 15:11, 17:13). Many in my church are like the Olsteens in that they equate the joy of the Lord with stuff. 95% plus of their testimonies are always about stuff (jobs, money, new house, new car, new spouse etc); rarely do I hear of testimonies of defeat of sin in their lives, understanding of Scripture, obedience etc. John the Baptist's joy was made full when his stature decreased in order for Jesus' stature to increase. Today many in church are only looking for increase (happiness, success, fame). Jesus told His disciples that life is more than stuff because that is what the (lost) world seek after. "But go and sell all that you have and give..." I think the Olsteen's would have a problem with that. The Kingdom of Heaven is more than eating & drinking it is peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. The abundant life has nothing to do with amassing wealth here on earth. The early believers readily gave and even sold property to share with the poor brethren. I don't see a single believer in the New Testament living extravagantly as the Olsteen's. Todays its the "Me Church." But give me the joy of the Lord, the Olsteen's can keep their happiness.
Proverbs 16:20 KJV (20) He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the LORD, happy is he.
Perfect trust would produce perfect happiness and contentment. But being so imperfect, I never attain to such a pitch. However, one day I shall be made like unto Jesus, and on that day I shall be enraptured and euphoric and overwhelmed with joy, being resurrected unto life eternal, and totally separated from the very presence of sin. Faith will become sight.
I believe it's also true to say that a personal or area-wide revival would have an effect such as a foretaste of heaven, producing joy unspeakable and full of glory. I'm talking about a God-sent revival, not a sort of "Baptist Revival" meeting on Sunday evening at half past six.
What a difference it would make in Bible believing churches, if God Almighty would come down in power, opening the windows of heaven, pouring out of his Spirit into this dark world, especially upon his blood bought, redeemed people. Such rejoicing, such laughter, such an intoxicated worship of the Great God who made heaven and earth.
Ive read or heard enough quotes from these two reprobates to know she meant exactly what she said. Their ministry is nothing more than self serving drivel. Also, I think SteveR made a good point as well. There are plenty of people even in biblical churches that believe the same thing in their hearts. They may have others fooled, but not God.
Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.
John 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
Matthew 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
God never promised us happiness here on earth. Only to be content. [AUTHOR]Dolores[/AUTHOR]Jessica, your post and comment about Mrs. Olsteen was right. She was saying basically that serving God brings you happiness and you should not just obey to bring God happiness but to also bring yourself happiness which in turn will bring God happiness because He wants us to be happy. I understand what she was trying to say because the joy of the Lord is our strenght. Did not Jesus say that we will have peace that passeth all understanding, peace that the world can't give and the world can't take away? My life has been much happier since I have Christ in my heart. Even when things are painful, I still have that deep joy and peace that He is in control of my life and working all things out for my good according to his purposes what more could anyone ask for than that?!![/QUOTE]
Jessica, your post and comment about Mrs. Olsteen was right. She was saying basically that serving God brings you happiness and you should not just obey to bring God happiness but to also bring yourself happiness which in turn will bring God happiness because He wants us to be happy. I understand what she was trying to say because the joy of the Lord is our strenght. Did not Jesus say that we will have peace that passeth all understanding, peace that the world can't give and the world can't take away? My life has been much happier since I have Christ in my heart. Even when things are painful, I still have that deep joy and peace that He is in control of my life and working all things out for my good according to his purposes what more could anyone ask for than that?!!
Jessica Dawson wrote: I believe Mrs. Olsteen is more righteous than myself, because she equates obeying God with being happy! O how often, have I obeyed God's commandments, and like Jonah, have been miserable and angry about it!
I understand how you feel about obeying God grudgingly. I'm sure we are all guilty of the same thing at times. Our human nature does not like to be bent to the will of God. However, one of the marks of a true Christian is that they STRUGGLE AGAINST sin. Yes, Christians will sin, but they will be broken oven their sin. That is what I hear in your comments: brokenness over sin. Should you obey Christ joyfully? Yes. Are you satisfied with obedience that is not done in the right attitude? No.
I don't hear that same thing with Mrs. Osteen. It seems she is teaching that God is most happy when WE are gratified. This is wrong on two points. First, God's "emotional well-being" is not dependent on us. Second, a true Christian's greatest fulfillment comes when CHRIST takes precedent in their life, not when their OWN desires are being fulfilled.
So be encouraged and joy in your Redeemer! Though we may not always have the right attitude, He that has called you is faithful to finish the work He has begun.
Jessica Dawson wrote: I believe Mrs. Olsteen is more righteous than myself, because she equates obeying God with being happy! O how often, have I obeyed God's commandments, and like Jonah, have been miserable and angry about it! "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" ~ 1 Peter 4:17 KJV God's plans for His servants are His business, and before Him, not we, shall they stand or fall (Romans 14:4). I believe, John 21: 20-23, is evidence that we should not be looking for the faults we think may be in other believers. And that our foremost duty is to follow Christ Who died for the remission of our sins. Whatever our Saviour says unto you, these are Words of Life for you, follow Him!