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Smithsonian adds LGBT history to museum collection

Hundreds of photographs, papers and historical objects documenting the history of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people are being added to the Smithsonian Institution's collection Tuesday, including items from the popular TV show "Will and Grace."

Show creators David Kohan and Max Mutchnick along with NBC are donating objects to the National Museum of American History. The collection includes original scripts, casting ideas, political memorabilia surrounding the show and the series finale. The network agreed to donate props, including a pill bottle and flask, a sign from "Grace Adler Interior Design" and Will Truman's framed college diploma.

Kohan told The Associated Press that the Smithsonian's interest in the show featuring gay principal characters was a validation they never dreamed about when the sitcom began airing in 1998. "Will and Grace" ran through May 2006 depicting four ...


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News Item8/27/14 7:50 PM
Observer | USA  Find all comments by Observer
Hey Christopher

How are you doing bro?

I'm back home now. Though very tired I managed to scan through that very helpful article posted up by Helps UK at 8/26/14 12:56 PM. Well worth a read.

I still don't want to overwhelm you with matters to consider. If you're beginning to feel like that just say bro and I'll stop the emails either temporarily or period, depending on your wishes.

Be assured that I'm still praying for you and yours.

I'm gonna spend some time with my loved ones now. Will look in from time to time over next few days, but won't be posting a great deal for the time being.

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News Item8/27/14 3:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
We are about to enter uncharted waters, bro.
Paul likens Christ and His bride to a man and his wife so gender recognition becomes all important as we read Paul's writings. In other places he refers to Christians as Christ's brothers and sons of the Father. How is it possible we can be Christ's bride (feminine gender) and brother (masculine gender) at the same time? Because God sees us as soul (mind, heart, wife, feminine gender) and body (flesh, man, husband, masculine gender) with our soul subject to the Zion covenant, our body subject to the Sinai covenant aka the law Paul said we were dead to and His Spirit fulfilling the righteousness of both.... love God, (Zion) and neighbor (Sinai).
Applying this to Paul's conversion, he died soul and body on Damascus Road. The body (husband subject to Sinai covenant) was dead so the soul (wife subject to Zion covenant), though also dead, was free to marry another which happened when Paul received the HS (feminine gender, Ezek 11:19) fulfilling the Zion covenant, love God. Later, Paul's body was quickened by the masculine side of the Spirit (Rom 8:11) fulfilling the Sinai covenant, love neighbor.
Thanks bro, will ponder.
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News Item8/27/14 12:11 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Here is my dilemma: Romans 7:1-6 KJV It is v4 where it says "ye also.." that I am interested in.
We are about to enter uncharted waters, bro.

Paul likens Christ and His bride to a man and his wife so gender recognition becomes all important as we read Paul's writings. In other places he refers to Christians as Christ's brothers and sons of the Father. How is it possible we can be Christ's bride (feminine gender) and brother (masculine gender) at the same time? Because God sees us as soul (mind, heart, wife, feminine gender) and body (flesh, man, husband, masculine gender) with our soul subject to the Zion covenant, our body subject to the Sinai covenant aka the law Paul said we were dead to and His Spirit fulfilling the righteousness of both.... love God, (Zion) and neighbor (Sinai).

Applying this to Paul's conversion, he died soul and body on Damascus Road. The body (husband subject to Sinai covenant) was dead so the soul (wife subject to Zion covenant), though also dead, was free to marry another which happened when Paul received the HS (feminine gender, Ezek 11:19) fulfilling the Zion covenant, love God. Later, Paul's body was quickened by the masculine side of the Spirit (Rom 8:11) fulfilling the Sinai covenant, love neighbor.

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News Item8/27/14 10:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rodney K. wrote:
John & Lurker: Isn't Paul using the word "law" in this passage to refer to the Old Covenant which had passed away and been superseded by a far better Covenant? I would think that the "ye also" refers to gentile converts - those who had never been a part of the Old Covenant.
Thanks for your contribution Rodney. As I read the passage, the "ye also" seems to be referring to the previous scenario about the spouse and her relationship to the law concerning adultery.
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News Item8/27/14 6:52 AM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Find all comments by Rodney K.
John & Lurker: Isn't Paul using the word "law" in this passage to refer to the Old Covenant which had passed away and been superseded by a far better Covenant? I would think that the "ye also" refers to gentile converts - those who had never been a part of the Old Covenant.
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News Item8/27/14 5:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thanks Lurker.

However, it does not answer Paul's usage of the actual death of a spouse which frees from law. Here is my dilemma:

Romans 7:1-6 KJV
(1) Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
(2) For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
(3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
(4) Wherefore, my brethren, **ye also are become dead to the law** by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
(6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

It is v4 where it says "ye also.." that I am interested in.

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News Item8/27/14 12:12 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
A few times in the NT it is said that a believer is "dead to the law", so that "through the law, we are dead to the law". Well, if I was dead to the law, it would be impossible for me to sin, because as far as the law is concerned, I am not living.
I believe Romans 6 explains what you may be perceiving as a paradox.

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Indeed, we are dead to the law of sin and death (Rom 8:2) which is in our members (Rom 7:23) by the crucified body of Christ (Rom 7:4) being baptized into His death (Rom 6:3). However, we all know that we will not have complete victory over sin in this mortal life. Our old man will rear his ugly head in moments of weakness and we will yield.

Because our estate in this life (dead to the law) is reckoned and not actual, we have an advocate:

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Hope that helps, bro. If not, let me know.

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News Item8/26/14 6:11 PM
Stan Rivers | USA  Find all comments by Stan Rivers
SteveR wrote:
Psalms 125:1 They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
Psalms 87:2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
Psalms 129:5 Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
A simple yes would have sufficed.
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News Item8/26/14 6:09 PM
AZ saint  Find all comments by AZ saint
SteveR wrote:
Psalms 125:1 They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
Psalms 87:2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
Psalms 129:5 Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.
There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and is not washed from their filthiness.
There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Proverbs 30:12-13.
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News Item8/26/14 5:53 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Stan Rivers wrote:
Is Mount Zion the name of an institution for the mentally disturbed?
Psalms 125:1 They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
Psalms 87:2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

Psalms 129:5 Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.

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News Item8/26/14 5:44 PM
AZ saint  Find all comments by AZ saint
Stan Rivers wrote:
Is Mount Zion the name of an institution for the mentally disturbed?
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News Item8/26/14 5:29 PM
Stan Rivers | USA  Find all comments by Stan Rivers
SteveR wrote:
Lurker
I wasnt going to respond to this interaction, but I think I backed myself into it with a post so I will offer this. John has asked you about marriage and Christians being dead to the law. When you give your answer, please consider that marriage came BEFORE the LAW. Marriage is part of creation
Is Mount Zion the name of an institution for the mentally disturbed?
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News Item8/26/14 4:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Lurker
I wasnt going to respond to this interaction, but I think I backed myself into it with a post so I will offer this. John has asked you about marriage and Christians being dead to the law. When you give your answer, please consider that marriage came BEFORE the LAW. Marriage is part of creation
I haven't asked Lurker about marriage.
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News Item8/26/14 4:00 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Lurker wrote:
OK, John. I'll think on it today and share some thoughts tonight. While I'm doing that I'll pray for your headache. I woke up this morning with one too.... although I doubt as bad as what you get. Bummer.
Lurker
I wasnt going to respond to this interaction, but I think I backed myself into it with a post so I will offer this. John has asked you about marriage and Christians being dead to the law. When you give your answer, please consider that marriage came BEFORE the LAW. Marriage is part of creation
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News Item8/26/14 12:56 PM
Helps | UK  Find all comments by Helps
Further help for Christopher and any others who may be having marital problems:

When your marriage goes sour

Hope this helps a little too.

Praying for you.

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News Item8/26/14 11:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
OK, John. I'll think on it today and share some thoughts tonight. While I'm doing that I'll pray for your headache. I woke up this morning with one too.... although I doubt as bad as what you get. Bummer.
Thanks a lot bro, and Observer, and Christopher, and anyone else who was kind enough to pray for me. It's been a difficult day, but I'm feeling better already. Now I must pray for your bad head, Lurker bro.
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News Item8/26/14 10:08 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Mornin' Lurker.
Well, you know that death frees from law, as in the case of, for instance, marriage? If a spouse dies, the other is free to marry again? But if both are alive, they are bound by the law?
A few times in the NT it is said that a believer is "dead to the law", so that "through the law, we are dead to the law". Well, if I was dead to the law, it would be impossible for me to sin, because as far as the law is concerned, I am not living.
OK, John. I'll think on it today and share some thoughts tonight. While I'm doing that I'll pray for your headache. I woke up this morning with one too.... although I doubt as bad as what you get. Bummer.
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News Item8/26/14 10:07 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I will as well, and also Johns cluster headaches.
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News Item8/26/14 2:30 AM
Observer | UK  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
I just hope this headache clears up. Say, if anyone would like to pray for me, I sure would appreciate it.
Praying bro that the headache will clear up and that you'll have a great day, knowing God's presence with ya.

Hope you sell some paintings too.

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News Item8/26/14 2:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Sounds interesting, Bro. Ask away.
Btw....
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Mornin' Lurker.
Well, you know that death frees from law, as in the case of, for instance, marriage? If a spouse dies, the other is free to marry again? But if both are alive, they are bound by the law?

A few times in the NT it is said that a believer is "dead to the law", so that "through the law, we are dead to the law". Well, if I was dead to the law, it would be impossible for me to sin, because as far as the law is concerned, I am not living.

Observer wrote:
Ahhh a fella burn the candle at both ends!
Re: churches, I'd heard but now I see with mine own eyes and am doubly shocked!
Re: the pink Cadi - tell me it belonged to the preacher.
Ha! It looked like the one I've seen on display at Powderham Castle near Exeter in Devon. They reckoned it was one of Elvis Presley's motors.

Can't stop, I got to load the old jalopy up with paintings and get off to market. I just hope this headache clears up. Say, if anyone would like to pray for me, I sure would appreciate it.

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