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FRIDAY, AUG 15, 2014  |  20 comments
Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police
There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.

This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”

Bernick continued, “federal age ...


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News Item12/8/14 9:02 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Penny, if you knew of any police departments who didn't like the military gear , you should have given us the URLs that stated as such.

Interesting article about Chicago, which was recently brought up, though surprisingly, this dates back to 2013. Chicago Killings Cost $2.5 Billion as Murders Top N.Y.’s

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News Item8/18/14 9:13 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Jim, I'm sure you would feel comfortable speaking on their behalf... and those who don't agree? how would they be heard? there are many interviews going around from people of those types, including many sheriffs in the country who are extremely concerned and of course there is the purging of the military of many officers... if you can't see the obvious trends here...
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News Item8/18/14 3:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I thought I corrected that post! As far as I know, our police departments in the state that got the surplus gear were quite happy with it.

Some our cities are worse war zones than places we had troops in. So, they probably need military gear. But, yes, I realize that police forces and the military have some different training techniques and goals. Many of the military police who of course also had combat training were planning to go into police forces to continue their careers and I had not problem with that.

I do have some problems with this, http://www.salon.com/2014/08/16/he_is_a_hero_why_the_kkk_is_raising_money_for_ferguson_police_officer_who_shot_michael_brown/ (“He is a hero”: Why the KKK is raising money for Ferguson police officer who shot Michael Brown) May be an interesting article the format of the site that it appears in, isn't.

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News Item8/17/14 5:37 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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I know our local police departments are not happy about the surplus military gear that they got. I think Chris Frost has basically gotten it right. So, see his comment.
He may well be right. At the same time, if you are familiar with training, it isn't done with hollow points. What benefit to cause targets excess damage?
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News Item8/17/14 5:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The unfortunate thing, what started this whole problem was a cop on the beat sort of thing. I don't think he was wearing body armor, too bad he didn't have a video camera on him, that started this mess. It is still a mess. they do have outside agitators who came in, and they do not want to obey the law anyway. I heard the questions to Gov. Nixon was more about improving their public schools then anything else. it's a pity that the White governing structure wasn't a little more sensitive to the people they were supposed to represent. The situation would be more hand if they had been. I know our local police departments are happy about the surplus military gear that they got. I think Chris Frost has basically gotten it right. So, see his comment.
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News Item8/17/14 5:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
I have no use for dems or repubs who want to be dems but can't get elected that way. genuine conservative constitutionalists are few, and you can tell who they are by the name-calling they take from the anticons who claim to be moderates. HS was a horrid idea, still is. The pat act is anti pat. Funny how it all gets backwards.
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News Item8/17/14 3:57 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Mike, I remember that comment. If anyone knew their history it would send chills down the spine. Also good to remember that without the bogus wore on ter..or and the patriot act, it could not have happened. we left the old republic before that election. also remember the media event where previous admin and McCain and the next leader sat in a room and agreed on their plans to begin the bailouts to the international bankers. trillions of dollars right before our eyes gone.... under a threat of martial law if it wasn't given. why not tell the whole story? it took both parties to create this Frankenstein.

why does this matter? because the wore mongering wing is done through us, the evangelicals. if they can't get us stirred up, they don't get their wores (liberals generally don't care about those kinds of things)

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News Item8/17/14 2:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
pennnned wrote:
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so much of the dumbing down process is people don't even know what is being lost, its like, "oh cool, look at those big toys." -- meanwhile you've got powerful people saying the true ter..ts are Christians, prolifers, etc. all you happy people out there, what are you going to do when they show up at your door because you are considered a "h@ter" because you won't go along with the perversions pushed on society? won't you all want free trial, right to a lawyer? I just don't get this apathy.
Haven't you heard? It can't happen here. Of course the fact that it is happening, gets ignored. If we think back to 2008, the pres. put forth an idea that we should have a fully funded civilian national security force. He isn't talking civilians as such, but state and local police funded and armed by, thus controlled by the feds. Here is his great idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

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News Item8/17/14 10:58 AM
pennnned  Find all comments by pennnned
what he's talking about is restoring the balance of powers, Jim, I'm wondering if you've ever even read the constitution or know that your whole life you lived under the blessings of a restrained system in which the sheriff was elected and accountable to the moms and pops in the area? you'd rather leave for your legacy a police state modeled after the Israel-Palestinians?

so much of the dumbing down process is people don't even know what is being lost, its like, "oh cool, look at those big toys." -- meanwhile you've got powerful people saying the true ter..ts are Christians, prolifers, etc. all you happy people out there, what are you going to do when they show up at your door because you are considered a "h@ter" because you won't go along with the perversions pushed on society? won't you all want free trial, right to a lawyer? I just don't get this apathy.

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News Item8/16/14 10:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item8/16/14 1:05 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item8/16/14 12:37 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item8/15/14 6:28 PM
Chris Frost | Indiana  Find all comments by Chris Frost
I think this story is a bit overblown.....the feds giving millions of pieces of armament to local authorities? Maybe, if you count each individual bullet, most of which are used on training ranges. Sure they give them kevlar vests and M16s too, and why not? Those are available to the general public. Our law enforcement deserves to be at least a step ahead of the bad guys. Otherwise, what chance do they have? I live on a fairly small town, and we even have a surplus MRAP. It's only been deployed once, in a hostage situation, and without the loss of any "innocent" lives. I don't like the idea of bad guys running around with bulletproof vests and AK47s being chased by cops with 6 shooters and tshirts.
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News Item8/15/14 3:34 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
pennned wrote:
yes Jim, "democracy" in action. This should make you happy!
and a taste of our own medicine too. if it was so sweet for the others, surely it will be for us as well.
Take a look at Jims latest post, he doesnt get it. Personally, I think he never will, but I admire your efforts
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News Item8/15/14 3:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Oh, SteveR both you and Penny should know better! Do Arabs have it perfect in Israel, no. But considering the alternative they prefer it by a wide margin, http://www.danielpipes.org/2534/the-hell-of-israel-is-better-than-the-paradise-of-arafat ("The Hell of Israel Is Better than the Paradise of Arafat"). You'll find later articles about this topic on this site as well. You folks really need a change in theology! Look under the sub-title of "Chrisendom's Anti-Semitism" in http://www.raptureme.com/tt13.html (What do you do with a future National Israel in the Bible?)

Oh, want to get back to article this thread was somewhat about? http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mcculloch-blasts-nixon-for-replacing-st-louis-county-police-control/article_0806541b-ed48-5d06-9267-323531ad6cf1.html(McCulloch blasts Nixon for replacing St. Louis County Police control). Mr. Nixon may have done the right thing, de-emphasizing the military look.

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News Item8/15/14 2:32 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
yes Jim, "democracy" in action. This should make you happy!

and a taste of our own medicine too. if it was so sweet for the others, surely it will be for us as well.

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News Item8/15/14 2:10 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Jim Lincoln wrote:
oh come on penny training in Israel? considering how Israel tries to keep the death count low with rioting Palestinians, it might not be a bad idea however.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/ (Ferguson police identify officer in Michael Brown shooting).
Penny said ISRAEL, not the Palestinian Territories. It is noteworthy how Israel manages East Jerusalem. There are no walls, no gates, no checkpoints between E and W Jerusalem, and yet the Arab Israelis are clearly too intimidated to cross over. It could be 100 degrees and the water park by the jaffa gate cooling all the Israeli kids off, yet the arab kids are too afraid to make the 5 minute bike ride over and share in the refreshing fun. Much of that intimidation is the militarization of Israeli police around the Damascus gate. Its formidable, and it works. When things get out of hand, it normally just takes a few vans of Israeli soldiers to show before things cool down
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News Item8/15/14 1:45 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
oh come on penny training in Israel? considering how Israel tries to keep the death count low with rioting Palestinians, it might not be a bad idea however.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/ (Ferguson police identify officer in Michael Brown shooting).

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News Item8/15/14 11:47 AM
pennelopea | 1984  Find all comments by pennelopea
the only reason someone would suspend the constitution and create a new militarized force that rivals the military is if they plan on creating a militarized atmosphere within the country.

Rand Paul is pointing out the obvious. the police dep's have been given advanced systems and training, some have even said they received training in Israel... so if this is true, America will be the new Palestinian. We coincidentally have the borders open as well. And the instigations, playing both sides, can't say the Lord hasn't warned us.

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News Item8/15/14 1:00 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
these gentlemen let there politics dictate what they think what has happened. I think another view needs to be given.I'm notor condemning what the police there. anyway a different view, http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/08/12/why-the-police-shooting-riots-in-ferguson-mo-had-little-to-do-with-ferguson/ (Why the police-shooting riots in Ferguson, Mo., had little to do with Ferguson).
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