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THURSDAY, JUL 24, 2014  |  23 comments  |  1 commentary
This Guy Recently Revealed Big Plans to Change the Bible

Adam Lewis Greene is on a mission to provide a “fresh alternative to reading … biblical literature” with the launch of his Bibliotheca project — an effort to simplify the Bible and make it easier to consume.

“Today, our contemporary bibles are ubiquitously dense, numerical and encyclopedic in format; very different from how we experience other classic & foundational literature, and completely foreign to how the original authors conceived of their work,” reads a Kickstarter page about the effort. ...


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News Item7/26/14 4:45 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
1 Corinthians 14:9
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1 Corintians 14:11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. ---NASB

Thankfully, the RSV was replacing the AV the late 50's and early 60's Not all of the AV is misunderstood, unfortunately a lot of it is, and what's more because of the change in the meaning of words and phrasing when people think they understand it, they actually aren't and too much of it is just gibberish to the modern ear. However, if one reads through modern versions of the Bible before the KJV, such as the NKJV, NASB, ESV, and even the NIV (1984 and earlier versions), suddenly if enough of those stick you'll understand the AV, but even the Anglican Church knew because of errors and changes in the meanings of words and of the English language itself, they came out with the http://www.bible-researcher.com/erv.html (English Revised Version (1881-1895)). This site also has the NT of this version, should make it easy to compare with the AV.

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News Item7/25/14 4:48 PM
snoopywashere  Find all comments by snoopywashere
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Sounds silly,
You often say the AV's language etc. can't be understood, but the AV was the Bible back in the '60's even for Children's TV.

E.g. one of the most popular US cartoons was 'Charlie Brown'; a particular episode won an 'Emmy'-'Charlie Brown's Christmas' first screened in 1965.

Interestingly 'Peanuts' was very popular here in the UK and especially in the 1970's.

'In desperation, Charlie Brown begins to wonder if he really knows what Christmas is all about. Linus states he can tell him, and recites from the Gospel of Luke, chapter 2:8 through 14 from Authorized King James Version:

"'And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 1And the angel said unto them, Fear not; for, behold, I bring you tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 1For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord...'

"That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown."

American culture and children's cartoons have dramatically declined since those days, but the AV was then seen and heard as 'the Bible'!

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News Item7/25/14 4:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dorcas wrote:
Jim would do well to acquaint himself with the litte booklet put out by TBS 'What today's Christian needs to know about Dr. Kurt Aland"....Textual Critic?
Quite so, Dorcas. It's a shame that we have to do all this research because all the modern pastors are coming out of Bible college having had their faith in God's word shattered by unregenerate or gullible theology professors. The effect on the Christian church is so clear to them that open their eyes now and again.
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News Item7/25/14 4:01 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
John UK wrote:
Not good enough, Jim. You claim it has errors still, and you can't tell me where those errors are, otherwise I could publish a perfect Bible which is inerrant.
Oh but hang on, it's already been published, and it's called THE KING JAMES BIBLE. Inerrant and inspired, just like the heroes of faith claimed so many years ago. That is, until Westcott and Hort turned up out the blue, Anglicans who infiltrated the Revised Version Committee with a completely new greek text never been seen before til 1881, which greek text was a rough compilation of two Roman Catholic-held texts called Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, basically from which all modern versions have been translated, despite there being a consensus of around 5,000 greek mss which tally with the KJV and so received by the church that they are collectively called The Received Text.
But you'll see this all in due course, after you jettison your beloved unregenerate higher critics who despise the gospel and do not believe God is capable of preserving his word intact through copyists.
Jim would do well to acquaint himself with the litte booklet put out by TBS 'What today's Christian needs to know about Dr. Kurt Aland"....Textual Critic?
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News Item7/25/14 3:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
...is the most accurate translation of the Bible in the English language.
Not good enough, Jim. You claim it has errors still, and you can't tell me where those errors are, otherwise I could publish a perfect Bible which is inerrant.

Oh but hang on, it's already been published, and it's called THE KING JAMES BIBLE. Inerrant and inspired, just like the heroes of faith claimed so many years ago. That is, until Westcott and Hort turned up out the blue, Anglicans who infiltrated the Revised Version Committee with a completely new greek text never been seen before til 1881, which greek text was a rough compilation of two Roman Catholic-held texts called Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, basically from which all modern versions have been translated, despite there being a consensus of around 5,000 greek mss which tally with the KJV and so received by the church that they are collectively called The Received Text.

But you'll see this all in due course, after you jettison your beloved unregenerate higher critics who despise the gospel and do not believe God is capable of preserving his word intact through copyists.

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News Item7/25/14 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK wrote:
Okay, so what do you think to this guy doing the same all over again?
William S Sutherland, Precisely!
Sounds silly, John U.K., you folks in Britain should do that with the RV, the official replacement for the AV, the new AV, that came out in 1888, if memory serves, e-Sword has that as an electronic Bible also, beside the 1611 AV, with the missing parts that some later versions of the AV didn't include. While I may use the WEB bible when putting up Scripture from a tablet --utter nonsense to put something bloated bombastic Elizabethan--the ESV is a much better free eBible to read, second only to the NASB, which you can get for free on a rather clunky android app, or as as a fairly good program for the PC, from Lockman directly for free, http://www.lockman.org/download/index.php (The Lockman Foundation -- Free Downloads) is the most accurate translation of the Bible in the English language.

But the WEB version was done with enough care that if a person wants a good version of the Bible in the English language to put quotes from without worrying about copyrights, it's probably in all eBible programs.

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News Item7/25/14 4:00 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
GSTexas wrote:
Helps writes:
Local church publishing produces very high end Bibles all sown, no glue.
Btw.....KJV only
I got my bible from local church publishing, and have been very pleased with the quality thus far (I have had it for a year and a half with no problems whatsoever). It is my most prized possession. You often hear gun enthusiast say "you can pry my gun from my cold dead hands" Well, I think Christians should have this attitude towards their bible.
Well said, both!
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News Item7/25/14 2:59 AM
Helps  Find all comments by Helps
Thanks GS. I feel the same way about my Bible also.
All of Gods best to you and yours.
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News Item7/25/14 2:33 AM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
Helps writes:
Local church publishing produces very high end Bibles all sown, no glue.
Btw.....KJV only

I got my bible from local church publishing, and have been very pleased with the quality thus far (I have had it for a year and a half with no problems whatsoever). It is my most prized possession. You often hear gun enthusiast say "you can pry my gun from my cold dead hands" Well, I think Christians should have this attitude towards their bible.

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News Item7/24/14 4:58 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
"Adam Lewis Greene is on a mission to provide a “fresh alternative to reading … biblical literature...:
If he really wanted a fresh approach, he might consider picking up one of those ubiquitously dense Bibles (KJV), receive what it offers and then make another attempt at reading it with the Holy Spirit...would make for all of the difference possible and would be in the freshest approach as well.
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News Item7/24/14 4:37 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John U.K., there's already an ASV that has been put into modern English...
Okay, so what do you think to this guy doing the same all over again?

William S Sutherland, Precisely!

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News Item7/24/14 2:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, well, where I go we would agree that the KJV is an imperfect Word of God, but of course it could be greatly improved if one used http://www.bible-researcher.com/nkjv.html (New King James Version). Even a less accurate version than the NASB would be better than the KJV for the following reason,

Dear KJV Only Advocate:

'Do not give them a loaf of bread, covered with an inedible, impenetrable crust, fossilized by three and a half centuries. Give them the Word of God as fresh and warm and clear as the Holy Spirit gave it to the authors of the Bible. . . . For any preacher or theologian who loves God's Word to allow that Word to go on being misunderstood because of the veneration of an archaic, not-understood version of four centuries ago is inexcusable, and almost unconscionable'---Edward H. Palmer

If you want the --real-- KJV you have to get with the Preface, marginal notes, and the apocrypha in it It's not an AV without it. e-Sword should have the 1611 edition, you don't have to worry about bindings and all that sort of thing either.

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News Item7/24/14 2:41 PM
Helps  Find all comments by Helps
Local church publishing produces very high end Bibles all sown, no glue.
Btw.....KJV only
Very reasonable too, it is part of their church ministry.
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News Item7/24/14 2:34 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
Sam gipp covers this stuff pretty well- there's a good sermon called Antioch.
As for me and my house we will agree that the kjv is the perfect word of god and cannot be improved upon and needs no criticism ! It's a spiritual thing I guess.
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News Item7/24/14 2:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John U.K., there's already an ASV that has been put into modern English, you can see a sample of it on the "Missle" thread that was one of the offerings today, or better I can give you some examples here,

1 Corinthians 14
? 9 So also you, unless you uttered by the tongue words easy to understand, how would it be known what is spoken? For you would be speaking into the air. 10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of sounds in the world, and none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I don’t know the meaning of the sound, I would be to him who speaks a foreigner, and he who speaks would be a foreigner to me. ---WEB

I use the WEB version here when I'm on a tablet which I'm not at the moment, and since it's not copyrighted I don't have to put up the notice as I do with the The New American Standard Bible which is the most accurate translation in English.

John Y., you should use a Christian Bible such as the NASB, rather than The Roman Catholic Bible, for a variety of reasons. Oh, those verses were those used by the KJV translators to show why they needed to do a translation now hoary which came out in 1611.

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News Item7/24/14 1:30 PM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameFind all comments by Scott McMahan
I agree with the use of "flat-opening sewn binding" since perfect bound (glue on the spine) Bibles generally fall apart as soon as you start using them. I had one that had already fallen apart in the box when I ordered it. Bible quality is all or nothing these days. Bibles are either super high end and expensive, or low quality. The middle has almost disappeared. I wish more publishers would publish sewn-spine Bibles without expensive high-end leather bindings. (Cambridge is one of the last holdouts that has moderately-priced, sewn-binding Bibles in their product line. The Emerald Text edition is one of them.)

Don't buy a leather (or leather substitute) perfect-bound Bible. It will just fall apart. Usually in a few months. Get a hardback, which at least has a thicker spine to support the pages. They last much longer.

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News Item7/24/14 12:28 PM
PursuitofTruth  Find all comments by PursuitofTruth
Couldn't agree more James!
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News Item7/24/14 12:07 PM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
"an effort to simplify the Bible and make it easier to consume."

A man's attempt to clarify what he himself does not understand.

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:14

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News Item7/24/14 5:07 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Everything that Greene owns is the color Greene.
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News Item7/24/14 4:50 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
"Greene, who has a background in book design, plans to modify certain terms in the ASV [1901] version to swap in modern alternatives. For example, “doth” would be changed to “does” and “sitteth” will be amended to “sits,” "

Wow, this is sooooo revolutionary!

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