What does it take to produce the first-ever papal high-five? A meeting with American televangelists, apparently.
The gesture came during a three-hour meeting of Pope Francis and Texas televangelists Kenneth Copeland and James Robison, just weeks after the pontiff met with televangelist Joel Osteen and other religious leaders. At the June 24 meeting, Robison said he was so moved by Pope Francisâ€™ message of the gospel that he asked the translator to ask Francis for a high-five. The pope obliged, raised his arm and the two men smacked hands.
The televangelists are among some wealthier U.S. evangelicals who have recently met with Francis, who has called for a focus on the poor and a simple lifestyle for clergy. In March, the pope met with members of the Green family, the Oklahoma billionaires whose company, Hobby Lobby, won their challenge to President Obamaâ€™s contraception coverage mandate at the...
Thanks SC, and Jayjay/PofT...just to be clear, my comment wasn't in support of boycotting anyone. My concern was, and still remains the message it sends. PofT, I explained why just a meeting of that sort sends a very wrong message to any on-lookers and thought I gave a fairly good example of why. We can all agree to disagree, of course, and I'm always open to other opinions and thoughts on any topic, but I can't wrap my head around why this wouldn't be considered a bad idea. Again, I have no issues with Hobby Lobby because of it...I just think, again, that the meeting sends a very wrong message...a message of unity; some common bond.
No discernment is found today among those who profess to be Christian. "For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd." Zechariah 10:2.
Yes, Christopher. You are correct. It's interesting how many on here can so easily judge all of these people who claim that they're Christians within the media and automatically align themselves with them just because they profess Christianity or speak of Jesus... too quick to judge and too little fruit to inspect. One shouldn't make such quick presumptions especially when given that there will be many on that day who will be surprised that Christ never knew them. I would be very suspicious of high-profile "Christians" who are marked as martyrs because they stand on issues like saying "merry christmass" or "have a blessed day"..or those who sell "easter eggs" at their stores.
JayJay wrote: Sorry for ranting earlier. I was just fed up with people attacking the Greens without any cohesive arguments. The only thing they can accuse them of is daring to meet with the Pope. Not a good reason to boycott them if you ask me. I enjoy their crafting supplies, and I've actually been shoping there more often to support them after the big legal battle they just went through. The last thing they need is people boycotting them cause they met with the Pope! That's what I was trying to say, only now in a much cooler fasion.
Agree The spiritual immaturity around here becomes embarrassing when they boycott Hobby Lobby over such trivia
Sorry for ranting earlier. I was just fed up with people attacking the Greens without any cohesive arguments. The only thing they can accuse them of is daring to meet with the Pope. Not a good reason to boycott them if you ask me. I enjoy their crafting supplies, and I've actually been shoping there more often to support them after the big legal battle they just went through. The last thing they need is people boycotting them cause they met with the Pope! That's what I was trying to say, only now in a much cooler fasion.
Hi Jayjay..While I agree that meeting with someone doesn't mean you have to agree with them, but I think the meeting itself speaks volumes and gives the impression of commonality, general agreement, etc. to the onlookers. In this case, my first thought would be ecumenism. Say a high ranking, grand poobah, free mason was in town and I was a local pastor he invited to hang out for the day. What would it look like to other born again Christians, and even non-Christians when they saw me hanging out with him and waving on the nightly news, shaking his hand in photos, etc, etc? I just think things like this send a very wrong message.
For you who this thread makes you want to break out in song, you might try? Fal$e Teacher$
Oh, and Kenny and the gang, "... Iâ€™ve been in Kenneth Copelandâ€™s bookstore and heâ€™s got Essek Kenyonâ€™s books for sale in the bookstore. But what these modern false preachers have done is they have taken Kenyonâ€™s mistakes and made them much worse. So compared to the modern Word Faith preachers, Essek W. Kenyon was actually fairly orthodox by comparisonâ€¦by comparison...."excerpt from, http://m.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/TM13-10 (The Devilish Puppet Master of the Word-Faith Movement (Justin Peters). There's more about that wild and crazy guy Kenny and others too.
Catholicism is dangerous in that it has the facade of Christianity but preaches a different Jesus altogether. On the one hand, it will say that even atheists are saved. On the other, it states that one is an anathema if one believes in faith in Christ alone by Grace alone. It is akin to all of the other religions in that it is works-oriented. There is very little in it that is biblically sound.