Penny, did you read the very last paragraph of my last comment? Oh, I always welcome prayers, like everyone else I'm certainly not above needing them
Now that I have this URL fixed (I'd better have! or I'm going to be ) I'm going to pass it along to you, Proper Biblical Interpretation. We are suppose to copy Jesus, and if there was one thing that he was -- he was the supreme example of being rational. So, when you have some time read that John MacArthur's sermon, actually it became part of a book, so it's well done.
Penny, now, I often leave out modifiers especially negative ones, See the thread on "Pastors You Don't Want for Your Church," Tullian would --not-- agree with MacArthur. So, that was something of a shamble, and I'm glad it got buried fairly early with other comments.
But from the statement you quoted from me, "They should know that the fallacy is not that so-called psychological sciences explains the nonsense of demon possession." I got that one right In fact, we had some "Christian" psychologists speak at IHCC, what'shisname, in fact, Now, I kept my mouth shut, something with age I ignore to my sorrow, well now only somewhat, but I knew Psychotherapy was/is something I reject as even a soft science --it's a religion-- and my church came to same conclusion without my help later. But, if you remember I have a Masters in Psych. from a clinically based school, and so I know of what I speak. I hope I pointed out, demon possession, can only happen to non-Christians! Also what I didn't point out It really was oppressively present when Christ and the apostles were with us, physically.
Manifestations of what passes forit can be explained superficially by Psychology nowadays, but it's still a spiriual problem people who are possessed by Sin
This is an interesting article on the growing phenomena of exorcism. unfortunately there are some Protestants who are they going about the subject as Catholics. They should know that the fallacy is not that so-called psychological sciences explains the nonsense of demon possession, but the Bible itself points out a Christian can not be demon possessed. Purging daily demons: whatâ€™s behind the popularity of exorcisms?
Ephesians 6:13Â Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.Â 14Â Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness,Â 15Â and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace.Â 16Â In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one;Â 17Â and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,--ESV
Pat McGonigle, KSDK wrote: Bishop Robert Hermann with the Catholic Archdiocese of St. Louis is deeply concerned. Bishop Hermann believes any attempt to conjure up the devil-- even for a TV show-- is a gravely serious and potentially dangerous stunt! "It can only be done with the authority of the Archbishop by someone appointed by the Archbishop who is the exorcist for the diocese."
Notice the number of Jesuits associated with the original exorcism!
8:9Â But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 8:10Â To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 8:11Â And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
Actually, Christ, laity and just importantly priests could need an exorcism, which as far as I know could only be done by Christ and those in the Apostolic Church, Christians have absolutely no need for an exorcist because they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Do you think a demon would come along and say to Him, "Hey, move over (or more likely, get out! I'm taking over this guy! It's not going to happen.
So, when it comes to a Catholic priest trying to exorcise a demon from one his delusional flock, it is most certainly a case of the blind leading the blind.
Acts 19 13 But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, "I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches." 14 And seven sons of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?" 16 And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.---NASB
Unfortunately, with priests demons recognize they serve the same master, and so won't beat them up
Good posts, Jim. I was just wondering this morning about Roman Catholic exorcisms. I wonder if, unbeknownst to the church, it's all a clever ruse. What I'm getting at is that I wonder if the demons only appear to be fearful, obey, and come out when exorcised as part of the deception. The illusion continues if the demons appear to be under the authority and control of the church, confirming that it must be the one true church if even hell is under their command. I hope I made sense. Just seems like it might be a dog and pony show that Satan puts on to give the church the appearance of power and mislead the faithful deceived; keeping them deceived.
American Tract Dictionary 1859 wrote: EXORCISTS From a Greek word signifying to conjure, to use the name of God or certain magical ceremonies with design to expel devils from places or bodies which they possess. The apostles were enabled to cast out evil spirits in Christâ€™s name, Mt 10:1 Mr 16:17 Lu 10:17; and designing men, both before and after the Saviorâ€™s death, pretended to exercise the same power, Mt 12:27 Mr 9:38 Lu 9:49,50 Ac 19:13-17. Exorcists were thought to have gained this power by secret studies respecting the nature of demons, and the powers of certain herbs, drugs, and stones, and were accustomed to use various forms of adjuration and incantation in their unlawful art; but the whole was delusion and imposture, and strictly forbidden. See DIVINATION.