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MONDAY, JUN 23, 2014  |  39 comments
A Revived America: Is It Possible

For the first time in my life I can see the possibility of a national chaotic situation in which our president declares a national emergency and refuses to step down when his time in office is up. He then uses his "emergency" powers to call a new Constitutional convention to create a modern and more relative Constitution to replace the old, "outdated" one.

If you think such could never happen, consider a recent article in the New York Times that noted, "The Constitution has seen better days ... its influence is waning." The liberal Supreme Court Justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, reflected this contemptuous attitude toward the American Constitution when she told an Egyptian television audience, "I would not look to the U.S. Constitution if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012."

Noting this growing disdain for the Constitution, Professor Steven Hayward asked, "Is there any doubt that if ...


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1517  Find all comments by 1517
I believe a lot of American professing Christians believe "revival" means a return to a 1950 Mayberry culture. A culture constructed by conservative (professing Christian and non) radio and tv talking heads. Truly God is separating the sheep from the goats. These are dark days for America, but ever so bright for the elect...our mettle is being tested.
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News Item6/25/14 3:57 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
William S. Sutherland wrote:
John UK,
I think it would be helpful to think of revival in terms of what happened during the Great Awakening of Jonathan Edwards' day rather than the staged, pre-arranged revivals and tent-meetings of Charles Finney and many others since. One is a spontaneous move of God in response to the prayers of His people such as what occurred on the Isle of Lewis while the other can be worked-up by the flesh, being emotional rather than spiritual. In fact, many were suspicious of what had occurred under Edwards was that very thing which at the time was called "enthusiasm." This is dealt with in Iain Murray's excellent biography on Jonathan Edwards published by The Banner of Truth Trust.
William,
Thanks for your post, with which I agree mostly.

It would seem - as Matthew Henry observes - that when God in his sovereign will intends revival he firstly sets his people a-praying. Such revivals are not two a penny, and really quite rare.

But as I see it, a personal revival does not need to be rare. Indeed, seeing as we have "every spiritual blessing in Christ", the only reason for needing revival is our backsliding. And there is little or nothing being taught about this in the churches.

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News Item6/24/14 10:34 PM
William S. Sutherland | Houston, Texas  Find all comments by William S. Sutherland
John UK,
I think it would be helpful to think of revival in terms of what happened during the Great Awakening of Jonathan Edwards' day rather than the staged, pre-arranged revivals and tent-meetings of Charles Finney and many others since. One is a spontaneous move of God in response to the prayers of His people such as what occurred on the Isle of Lewis while the other can be worked-up by the flesh, being emotional rather than spiritual. In fact, many were suspicious of what had occurred under Edwards was that very thing which at the time was called "enthusiasm." This is dealt with in Iain Murray's excellent biography on Jonathan Edwards published by The Banner of Truth Trust.
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News Item6/24/14 3:09 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Lisa from Wales,
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News Item6/24/14 9:08 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
SDG wrote:
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."
Gal 6:7
Perhaps a word of admonishment is needed here.

SDG, my post is not directed at you, Gal 6:7 is an excellent reference

Two Things
One I believe it is safe to say we ought to be seeking God for a real REVIVAL in the best sense of the word Revival/Awakening/Transformation all and everthing a mighty sovereign move of the Holy Sprit would be in our time

Two I believe we need to guard against seeking Peace with unbelieves like it has a plague, because a false unity with the Roman Catholic Church and others false Christians, or cults like the Mormons may bring a mighty move of the Spirit to severely correct us similar to what happen at Baal-Peor

I am not a 7th Day Adventist, I am not seeking unity with them, I think they have their own issues that they need to straighten out between them and God
still I appreciate Doug Batchelor Analyzes Pope's Recent Threat of 'UNITY OR ELSE' that someone pointed to on YouTube

editting here -
It is like we have two choices:
Seek God for Genuine REVIVAL

or Compromise and Seek Somekind of Ecumenical Ease and Comfort "Unity" with the world

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News Item6/24/14 8:36 AM
SDG | Rhode Island  Find all comments by SDG
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."
Gal 6:7
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News Item6/23/14 4:58 PM
peeled  Find all comments by peeled
What America needs is religious pluralism.

ADL: Evangelicals threat to religious pluralism

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News Item6/23/14 3:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Thank you Michael, I feel well rebuked and well instructed.
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News Item6/23/14 3:16 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Yes indeed, we would not want that at all. However, if we are going to be biblical in our thinking on revival

If I am to pray for revival, I must needs know what I am praying for.

John UK Wales
I would think at some time you have heard of the REVIVAL ON THE ISLE OF LEWIS when God brought Duncan Campbell to preach to a bunch of praying Presbyterians?

Did they have special meetings?
Did anyone praying have a real comprehension of what they were praying for?

I have to think only in a limited way.

But they PRAYED, AND PRAYED FERVENTLY SEEKING GOD and when God answered they where there waiting for His answer, with many throwing themselves on the mercy of God to save them from their sins, both from those who had attended church and those outside of the organized Church.

So who cares exactly how God did it (except maybe we might throw ourselves into such praying and desperate seeking of God ourselves) the move of the Holy Spirit there had to be way beyond any nice tidy theological description of what happened there. Something to be lived through like being in the upper room on Pentecost I have to think.

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News Item6/23/14 3:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why John U.K., it almost sounds like you looked at part of A Closer Look at Revival and Revival Meetings
No Jim, but I have studied the Bible on the subject, and found the only use of the word revive was when someone improved, like when lamenting Israel discovered his son Joseph was still alive, and his spirit revived within him.

But I have read some of Gil's work, and it is normally very good and sound.

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News Item6/23/14 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why John U.K., it almost sounds like you looked at part of A Closer Look at Revival and Revival Meetings
Gil Rugh wrote:
We hear a lot about revival in the church today. We are told that our churches, cities, nation, and world need it. Yet, what is revival? Is revival the evangelization of the lost; or is it spiritual renewal for people who are already saved? Could it be both? As familiar as the idea of revival has become, we may be surprised to know that the Bible never refers to revival. The Bible does mention the terms, "revive," "revived," and "reviving," but it never talks about revival or revival meetings. Technically, then, we are dealing with an idea that does not find definition or explanation in the Bible. Let us look, then, at how revival is defined by some who have written on the subject...
Now, Gil, spend four paragraphs basically complimenting the results of Revival, before the above one.
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News Item6/23/14 2:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
If we aren't careful we will let it degenerate into a discussion of terms and forget/neglect to come into the presence of God in our praying asking Him to do the impossible only He can do.
Yes indeed, we would not want that at all. However, if we are going to be biblical in our thinking on revival, we must understand that the American "revival meeting" is highly unbiblical, so far as I see it. A revival meeting should consist of the saints gathering to pray and to seek God's face together, calling upon him and weeping over sin, renewing their commitment.

If I am to pray for revival, I must needs know what I am praying for. If I am praying for the lost, I would pray that God quicken his word to their hearts, that they may be enlightened as to the truth, without which, being a natural man, they will never comprehend the things of the Spirit. If I am praying for the saints, I would pray that God revive their hearts and fan into flame the burning embers, the smoking flax, or heal the bruised reed. For myself I pray, "Lord, fill me again with thy Spirit."

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News Item6/23/14 2:23 PM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Uplifting thread gentleman.
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News Item6/23/14 1:58 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Michael, we may have a different definition of "revival".
If we aren't careful we will let it degenerate into a discussion of terms and forget/neglect to come into the presence of God in our praying asking Him to do the impossible only He can do.

BTW IMHO God has, I will call it sufficient witness (His word ) among both priests and rabbis(sp?) that the Holy Spirit can use to bring them to conversion/salvation
Remember Saul of Tarsus?

My point if you will whether one sees need for Awakening, Revival or Both is PRAY, PRAY SOME MORE, PRAY IN FAITH EXPECTING GOD TO ANSWER
However He works the detail out will be wonderful, even though I expect with some uptight ones they will find fault anyway. Let' NOT be one of those
OK?

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News Item6/23/14 1:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
There's only one sensible thing for anyone in the world to do, and that is to lay down their arms of rebellion against God, and be sorry for their sins, and receive Jesus Christ as both their Saviour and Lord, submitting themselves to him and his words, no more living for self, but denying self, taking up their cross, and following him with a whole heart, to live for Christ and the glory of God.

I say "one thing", because this is a whole package. You cannot have one without the other, they all go together.

Those who disagree are called antinomian by the theologicals.

Many need to renew their commitment to Christ, having been distracted or led up the garden path. Today is the day, if you hear his voice, harden not your hearts. But know that the Father's love is not diminished, and he longs for you to get your act together, and "walk as Jesus walked".

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News Item6/23/14 12:46 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
1 Tim 4
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
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News Item6/23/14 12:44 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
Matt 24 kjv

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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News Item6/23/14 12:41 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
2 thess 2
KJV
2 Thessalonians 2

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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News Item6/23/14 12:37 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
He could if He chooses start with a Revival among ...Roman Catholics or in Jewish Synagogues bringing their priests and rabbis to genuine new birth and the filling of the Holy Spirit.
It would be incredible, idols would be smashed and burned and thrown out as dung by people weeping how they had sinned against God, New Testaments would be brought in an read with unquencable thirst for anything but the Truth (btw discovering the NT was written by Jews of all people) and the saved would pour out into the street like the 120 did from the upper room on Pentecost, and many of us would ashamed of our unbelief
Michael, we may have a different definition of "revival". What you say that God "can" do is a given, he can do anything. But the lost need "awakening" from a deep, dead sleep. It is only the saints who can be "revived", because they already have life, albeit a putrid lukewarm one.

Thus revival is for saints, awakening for the lost.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves......"

Don't you think?

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Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Problem is, Shane, that many "cities" are so badly backslidden that they seek to hide themselves from the world because their salt has lost its savour. They are not blessed themselves, so cannot bless anyone else.
John UK
I have errands to run and things to attend to so let me gently as I may disagree with the premise "the problem is"

with the reality

Nothing is impossible with God

AND hopefully to put us all in a better frame of mind, please this is likely to be missunderstood and taken the wrong way
BUT
If our Lord wants to display His power and glory, the extent He will go to to save sinners

He could if He chooses start with a Revival among ...Roman Catholics or in Jewish Synagogues bringing their priests and rabbis to genuine new birth and the filling of the Holy Spirit.
It would be incredible, idols would be smashed and burned and thrown out as dung by people weeping how they had sinned against God, New Testaments would be brought in an read with unquencable thirst for anything but the Truth (btw discovering the NT was written by Jews of all people) and the saved would pour out into the street like the 120 did from the upper room on Pentecost, and many of us would ashamed of our unbelief

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