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MONDAY, JUN 23, 2014  |  26 comments
Scientists 'free will' an illusion

The concept of free will could be little more than the result of background noise in the brain, according to a recent study.

It has previously been suggested that our perceived ability to make autonomous choices is an illusion ‚Äď and now scientists from the Center for Mind and Brain at the University of California, Davis, have found that free will may actually be the result of electrical activity in the brain.

According to the research, published in the Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, decisions could be predicted based on the pattern of brain activity immediately before a choice was made. ...


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News Item6/25/14 8:38 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Forget that...I'm sure people were just busy.
Maybe not many people are interested in prayer, Christopher. They can't seem to engage their will and decide to pray for a half hour.

Anyways, I spoke to a Christian friend yesterday, thinking of your question, and I asked him how often he prayed in tongues, to which he replied, "Normally every time I pray."

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News Item6/25/14 8:13 AM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Christopher... my email is available if you would like to converse privately. but no I will not be offended if you choose not to. Have a blessed day
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News Item6/25/14 7:25 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Forget that...I'm sure people were just busy.
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News Item6/25/14 6:58 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks a lot, Shane, John, and James. I really appreciate the feedback. I really thought I would have a few more responses, to be perfectly honest, and am a little disappointed because I was looking forward to reading some advice and real world examples and personal issues. Maybe I comment too much and some are sick of me? Don't like my style and ignore me? Maybe I said something that rubbed people the wrong way and I need to address it? Hmmm.
: /

Anyway, I will listen.to the sermon later...thanks.

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News Item6/24/14 1:49 PM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
http://www.mljtrust.org/collections/book-of-romans/8/?page=5

The Mystery of Prayer from Romans 8:26-27

By DR Martin Lloyd Jones

Practical lessons; the mystery of prayer; unbelievers and prayer; types of prayer; rules and cautions about prayer; the prayer of faith.

Highly recommend this sermon to those who have questions on prayer.

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News Item6/24/14 1:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Shane wrote:
Christopher. when I first got saved, there was nothing that could keep me from deep prayer. The only thing that hindered it was me. This is troubling to me because when I continue in "me", I end up traveling to a distant land away from my father after receiving my inheritance. But, the loving father peers out his window waiting for his son to come back home. What love!
Some people would call this prayer "mystical". But that is wrong.
As Leonard Ravenhill once said, "if you're going to get mature in Christ, all the spiritual dwarves around you are going to sneer at you and say, "you're trying to be holier than the rest of us, huh?""
But Christ said eternal life is knowing him and He who sent Him.
Sometimes are prayers seem to be a struggle, and repetitious. But He is faithful. We just need to long for truth in the inner most being in a relationship with Him.
Excellent!

Christopher, I think there were occasions in the NT where praying in the Spirit was tongues, but whenever I mention it, I mean the praying which is led internally by the Spirit. The same thing can happen while witnessing, as the Lord gives the "wisdom words" we could never supply.

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News Item6/24/14 9:37 AM
Shane | socal  Contact via emailFind all comments by Shane
Christopher. when I first got saved, there was nothing that could keep me from deep prayer. The only thing that hindered it was me. This is troubling to me because when I continue in "me", I end up traveling to a distant land away from my father after receiving my inheritance. But, the loving father peers out his window waiting for his son to come back home. What love!

Some people would call this prayer "mystical". But that is wrong.

As Leonard Ravenhill once said, "if you're going to get mature in Christ, all the spiritual dwarves around you are going to sneer at you and say, "you're trying to be holier than the rest of us, huh?""

But Christ said eternal life is knowing him and He who sent Him.

Sometimes are prayers seem to be a struggle, and repetitious. But He is faithful. We just need to long for truth in the inner most being in a relationship with Him.

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News Item6/24/14 6:32 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Let me turn this conversation down a notch in the intelligence department...ha-ha. What exactly is praying in the spirit? When I was Charismatic, I though it was speaking in tongues in solitude. I didn't know what I was saying but my spirit was speaking to God. I don't doubt that's wrong.
Also, say you are praying for the lost, or persecuted saints, for example...do you all group them as a whole, a single prayer for every saint, everywhere around the globe, or do you pray on a case by case basis? I'm just wondering if blanket prayers are acceptable or even useful when those few words are meant to cover such a vast number. I guess nobody can say for certain but I've been wondering how exactly to pray effectively because my prayers seem to be very structured, redundant, and repetitive.
Sometimes I even stop mid sentence; mid prayer because I can't seem to form my thoughts and nothing is flowing. Anyone experience this? Funny, sometimes I can go on and on, one thing after the other coming together, buy other times there are long mental pauses as I try to think of what to pray for next, gather and form my thoughts, etc, etc.
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News Item6/24/14 2:18 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Shane wrote:
John UK wrote:
"However, I do believe it is possible and wonderful, that we might begin to pray falteringly, not sure of what we ought to be praying for, and then at some point we get taken up in the Spirit and words flow easily, and we begin to tremble, maybe get a bit warmer as the Holy Ghost fills us, the affections and even the emotions being influenced, and suddenly it is like we have come within the veil by the blood of Jesus, by the terms of the new covenant, and we are truly interceding before the throne. Phew! What a privilege!
Oh, deep joy!"

Oh, brother, it has been a while. What groaning, what trembling in reverential fear, weeping in comfort for a relationship with your Father. Vessels for the masters use. It has been a while.
Thank you.

Brother, we must needs get back to it. Once you have experienced such an intimacy with the Father, and depth of intercessory prayer, nothing else really will suffice. I am not the sort of person who is content to paddle in the shallows, but prefer the fullness of joy in the Spirit, or fullness of Jeremiah-style lamentation, being touched by spiritual realities.
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News Item6/23/14 7:54 PM
Shane | socal  Find all comments by Shane
John UK wrote:

"However, I do believe it is possible and wonderful, that we might begin to pray falteringly, not sure of what we ought to be praying for, and then at some point we get taken up in the Spirit and words flow easily, and we begin to tremble, maybe get a bit warmer as the Holy Ghost fills us, the affections and even the emotions being influenced, and suddenly it is like we have come within the veil by the blood of Jesus, by the terms of the new covenant, and we are truly interceding before the throne. Phew! What a privilege!
Oh, deep joy!"

Oh, brother, it has been a while. What groaning, what trembling in reverential fear, weeping in comfort for a relationship with your Father. Vessels for the masters use. It has been a while.

Thank you.

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News Item6/23/14 7:16 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
It is an illusion that definitive answers to questions like Determinism can be obtained by the Scientific Method.
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News Item6/23/14 7:10 PM
Dylan | Paraguay  Find all comments by Dylan
Why is demonic Darwinian propaganda being posted here? Oh wait, SermonAudio owners think it is proof of calvinism, ie our animalistic electrical jolts are really just septillians of zaps from God every time He wants us to do something or think something. Calvinism is such a lie, along with Darwinianism.
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News Item6/23/14 5:28 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
are you suggesting that John UK or anyone is passive in prayer?? There is a need of dependence upon the Spirit but the Lord definitely said call upon me. He helps not replaces our efforts in prayer.
..that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; (Rom. 15:30)
...always laboring fevertly for you in prayers (Col. 4:12)
..and he prayed earnestly (James 5:17)
Hi US,
Thanks for the extra scriptures, it all helps to get an understanding. I don't think cork wants me to become a zombie or a robot.

However, I do believe it is possible and wonderful, that we might begin to pray falteringly, not sure of what we ought to be praying for, and then at some point we get taken up in the Spirit and words flow easily, and we begin to tremble, maybe get a bit warmer as the Holy Ghost fills us, the affections and even the emotions being influenced, and suddenly it is like we have come within the veil by the blood of Jesus, by the terms of the new covenant, and we are truly interceding before the throne. Phew! What a privilege!

Oh, deep joy!

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News Item6/23/14 4:41 PM
Tom Jacknipper | Isles of Men  Find all comments by Tom Jacknipper
the background noise in my brain caused me to listen to this item on the news on the radio today. i think the article is very weak--if the study was just from a group of people responding to a stimulus on a computer screen. i get the same treatment at the eye doctor's office, little points of light appearing here and there..
But I am wondering about those Armenians that "Jon" mentioned earlier; i thought Armenians were people who lived in Armenia, and were mentioned by Hitler when someone asked him about opposition to his "Ultimate Solution" he said, look what the Turks did to the Armenians-and who remembers the Armenians today?" The Turkish govt. is still disputing today that they killed them.
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News Item6/23/14 4:31 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
cork wrote:
Don't you pray in the Spirit John?
= "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
= "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;"
are you suggesting that John UK or anyone is passive in prayer?? There is a need of dependence upon the Spirit but the Lord definitely said call upon me. He helps not replaces our efforts in prayer.
..that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; (Rom. 15:30)
...always laboring fevertly for you in prayers (Col. 4:12)
..and he prayed earnestly (James 5:17)
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News Item6/23/14 3:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
cork wrote:
Don't you pray in the Spirit John?
= "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
= "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;"
If I was praying in the Spirit every day, I would not be needing to pray for revival. But thank you for the reminder of what prayer is to consist of. I rarely come across people who pray like that, sadly.
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News Item6/23/14 3:18 PM
cork  Find all comments by cork
John UK wrote:
I find that my will is quite free to pray:
Don't you pray in the Spirit John?
= "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
= "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;"
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News Item6/23/14 2:46 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Westminster Facts wrote:
"The concept of free will could be little more than the result of background noise in the brain, according to a recent study."
Oh No!!
This will really upset John UK and the Arminians on the site.
Sin has always prevented free will in man.
That is why the Calvinist Biblical truth teaching of Total Depravity is absolutely correct.
As indeed is all Calvinist doctrine.
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Do you say that out of your free will, or is it just background noise in the brain?
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News Item6/23/14 1:08 PM
Chris Perver | Bangor, N. Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Chris Perver
I've watched my cat trying to lick itself clean out of instinct while wearing a medical collar around its neck. I've yet to see a human perform the same feat by "instinct".
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News Item6/23/14 12:09 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I find that my will is quite free to pray:

"Lord, bless my friends and enemies alike. I would not wish that any should perish in the lake of fire for eternity, hearing Jesus words in their ears 'Depart from me, I never knew you'. I pray in Jesus name, Amen."

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