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The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted Thursday to allow pastors to marry same-sex couples in states where it is legal.
The church also voted, by an overwhelming majority, to change the language about marriage in the church constitution to "two persons" from a "man and a woman," according to More Light Presbyterians, a group that supports gay rights.
To take effect, that change would need to be approved by a majority of 172 local presbyteries, which have a year to vote, the church said in a statement....
Derrow Kindly get real. God Almighty doesn't need the systematic theology of Johnny of Geneva and friends to teach people what finally is real Christianity some 1400 to 1500 years after the resusrrection and the close of the Canon of Scripture with Revelation anymore than the religious fantasy the RCC has given men that 'baby jesus needs his moma to save sinners'
If you want to have problems it ought to be with the religous genuis calling his/her self "Remain Biblical" and quote: "Calvinism is the Bible the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible."
Hint: the Bible was written long before Dhort and the WCF, or is Scripture just somehow not good enough for you?
Michael Hranek wrote: Boy! oh Boy! What amazing theology Does it go something like that if you confess with your mouth Johnny of Geneva, all 5 petals, let's not forget Dhort and the WCF
Michael; If you cannot see the doctrines of grace and Scripture in the confessions then I'm worried about your cognition of Scripture. These confessions were written by the grace of God by HIS servants, men who were true Christians and fought against the heresy of Rome and Arminius. Puritans recognised their Biblical accuracy. Great preachers such as Spurgeon and Whitefield perceived their Biblical accuracy. You must rid yourself of this salvation by works human philosophy and receive the Scripture alone. Don't be deceived.
"10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
Remain Biblical wrote: Calvinism is the Bible the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible
Boy! oh Boy! What amazing theology Does it go something like that if you confess with your mouth Johnny of Geneva, all 5 petals, let's not forget Dhort and the WCF (btw that' not the Wrestling Calvinist Federation) and believe, really, really believe you are EEEEElect! (Zowie) than you will be a true prostylete and when the Institutes of Calvin are opened in the AAAAAmillennium (spelling?) kingdom judgment you'lll get a prize
If this church had remained within the Biblical Doctrines of Grace, ie Calvinism, they wouldn't be here today.
Calvinism is the Bible the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible.
The alternative Arminianism chooses instead to establish man's input into religion and doctrine. This toxin of course comes originally from the Roman Catholics hypothesis. What they do is establish man's philosophies in their religion, such as man's faith is his own faculty/ability. Or Limited Atonement is not limited but available to all sinners as long as THEY (human control again) make the right decision.
These Arminian and Wesleyan philosophies establish the principle of cutting out parts of Scripture to allow human ideology to replace them. The Arminian/Wesleyan believe God requires their help to establish salvation of sinners. Thus they have a weaker "God image" (idolatry)
Ultimately this leads to Liberalism and a god made in man's image. Then they can chop up Scripture keeping only the nice bits and raising man to a higher level of spiritual power over himself.
Liberal theology thus grew over time from Roman Catholic, Arminian and other cult theories which man formed in his imagination and Fantasies.
JohnYurich USA wrote: It appears that the Presbyterian Church(USA) is disregarding the Bible's admoniton against fruitcakeness. Well the Catholic Church is still standing firm about being against fruitcakeness officially.
That's the "official" position, however, on the ground in local circles you can find everything from pro-poo-sex catholic Churches to tongue talking spiritually exciting Catholic churches? And FYI, there are good men of the Catholic faith, as well as many who attempted to be part of it, (who left in disgust) and many who were - and abandoned it, and now tell us, the whole thing (internally) is nothing more than a homosexual profession? And I believe it! Why is it, where we work, we see "priests" all the time, coming to pick up their erectile dysfunction medications? With the former pope, I stood up for the church, this new one: No Way! I see where he IS going to take the church, and in fact, spiritually, already has weakened it to the point, U.S. Catholics may as well publicly toss in the towel, they're no longer willing to stand up for anything. I'm predicting, it will publicly split as did the Lutherans, and this pope will be with the abomination.
abcdefghijklm wrote: @ John UK. Kapow!!! "Not every one that saith unto me Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he which doeth the will of my Father". Denominations??? Hogwash!!! It comes down to who is obeying and doing the words and will of the Living God. Glory unto Him alone, amen.
Correct, and we can only obey and do the words and will of the Living God when we are connected in the True Vine by faith in his shed blood, being justified through faith, and transferred from "in Adam" to "in Christ", being indwelt by his Spirit and motivated with a new heart.
John 15:4-5 KJV (4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. (5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
@ John UK. Kapow!!! "Not every one that saith unto me Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he which doeth the will of my Father". Denominations??? Hogwash!!! It comes down to who is obeying and doing the words and will of the Living God. Glory unto Him alone, amen.
John UK wrote: Yes, Satan attacks all who teach the word...
You shouldn't talk like that about your spiritual boss he doesn't like his work to be published in his world. The point is WHO really teaches "The Word"? Satan doesn't have to attack all churches since many preach part word and part human traditions and philosophies.
Did you know that Jesus said: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Thus this particular church/denomination could broadcast all they want to the people and achieve the sum total of zilch. This is what happens when nominals pretend to preach the word and include human ideologies as part of the Word.
God uses the elect only in the pulpit to reach the elect only in the pew.
sound doctrine wrote: Yes they are Calvinist - And as you know Calvinism is the Gospel. Satan is going to attack the true Christian Church which is why he will attack the Reformed and Calvinist churches. The Presbyterian Church historically is a part of the Reformed Church which is why they are attacked by Satan. Tell me does Satan ever bother to attack the Baptist church or does he not need to? Remember Jesus is a Calvinist too in His theology. TULIP being the Doctrines of Grace.
Huh wrote: Presbys? Isn't the Presbyterian church basically calvinist?
Yes they are Calvinist - And as you know Calvinism is the Gospel.
Satan is going to attack the true Christian Church which is why he will attack the Reformed and Calvinist churches. The Presbyterian Church historically is a part of the Reformed Church which is why they are attacked by Satan.
Tell me does Satan ever bother to attack the Baptist church or does he not need to?
Remember Jesus is a Calvinist too in His theology. TULIP being the Doctrines of Grace.
Presbyterians are calvinist and come out of the protestant reformation.. but this pack of reprobates have more in common with unitarians.. they have long ago departed from the inerrant infallable and inspired word of God..