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WEDNESDAY, JUN 4, 2014  |  32 comments  |  1 commentary
Tattooed Megapastor Who Ministers to Celebs Makes a Big Splash

Pastor Carl Lentz, who dons a leather jacket and tattoos, “looks more like a rock star than the head of a Pentecostal church,” according to a recent CNN profile.

But the so-called “uncommon pastor” of Hillsong Church NYC is attracting throngs of Christian worshippers into the fold each week to hear his sermons that are delivered with a modern approach.

Bright lights, vibrant music — the experience is much like a rock concert. And it’s growing in popularity.

Hillsong sees around 6,000 parishioners flock to a giant New York City ballroom each week for a total of five separate services. Among them, Lentz, 35, has attracted some big-name celebrities like singer Justin Bieber and NBA star Kevin Durant. ...


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News Item6/5/14 8:13 PM
shaul  Find all comments by shaul
born not by blood nor by the will of the flesh nor of the will of man....but were born of God. Guess that sorts out the identity of whosoever ya!
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News Item6/5/14 12:19 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Good comments, Michael.
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News Item6/5/14 11:56 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Bro Michael

Sounds good to me. And if everything is done "in the Holy Ghost", including preaching, singing, worshipping, hearing, evangelising, tea-making, conversations, being hospitable, showing mercies and using other gifts given to the body, then God will have his way unobstructed, and good things will happen.

Main problem is that the majority of churches are running on man-power, theological books, logic, creeds, confessions, and we have forgotten the "rivers of living water" which Jesus promised to those who believed on him, and have resorted to a form or liturgy, which so many folks have gotten used to that they think it is normal Christianity.

Revival changes all that and restores the church to its inheritance of a Spirit-led, Spirit-filled, Spirit-anointed Christian life and faith.

I wish I wasn't the only one to lament my poor spiritual state. The standing in Christ is fine, but hey, things ain't what they used to be, and no-one seems to bother. Can't talk about that, it convicts, especially when scripture is involved.

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News Item6/5/14 11:19 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Christopher000 wrote:
I wish there was no such thing as denominations
Christopher000
John UK

A little more thinking on the matter.
Among genuine born again believers (NOT pretenders)

We will love worshipping God in/with solid sound Bilbical songs in our churches, we won't have to be entertained nor manipulated into singing to the Lord and to one another

We will love, solid Scripturally accurate, sermons rich in Biblical Doctrine, passionately preached against evil and sin, convicting us to repent of our own sins and failures, exhorting us to be holy for our God is Holy, to give our best to God (NOT to religous celebrities who exploite us for their own financial gain) to pray for and witness to the lost of Christ

We will love real praying with and for one another in the family of God, and even praying for the unsaved who God has in our lives. We will love all the encouragement God might give to have faith in Him and strengthen us to keep praying until we see His mighty hand bring about His answers, no matter what is going on and how impossible His answers seem

If we are not seeing this it may be we have too many unsaved pretend Christians in our churces, or "baby" believers who are grossly ignorant of who we are and have in Jesus

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News Item6/5/14 9:47 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I wish there was no such thing as denominations, calvinists, Arminians, camps, sides, etc. Born again Christians all believe in the same God, the same bible, Heaven, Hell, angels and demons, salvation, justification, faith, sin, God's plan and promises, where we came from and where we're going, the power of prayer, and the list goes on and on.
Quite so, Christopher.

In God's sight there are no denominations, because there is only ONE church.

Those who are born again belong to that church, having been washed clean by the word and by the Spirit in the blood of Jesus. He has called them and saved them, made them a new creature, put his laws into their hearts, teaches them and leads them.

Those who argue from a denominational bias rather than a biblical one are denying the scriptural injunction "I am of Apollos, I of Paul, I of Christ." etc.

There is one sound doctrine in the NT, the apostolic doctrine, and this is for all time, not requiring modification by men.

As far as I am concerned, believers should never be divided, seeing as God has put them all into ONE body, the body of his Son, and collectively we are the temple of the Spirit.

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News Item6/5/14 9:24 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Christopher000 wrote:
I wish there was no such thing as
Christopher000
I can well identify with the emotion
Now while born again Christians, people who genuinely saved can sin grieveously, and need repentance, forgiveness and restoration

IMHO there are many who are only pretend Christians, who do not know Biblically nor in their own real life experience what it is to be born again of the Holy Spirit, they are only religous, they don't know God nor belong to Him

Please keep this in mind, it helps when opposition and persecution come to realize some (a lot of) religious people are of the devil, who hates Jesus Christ, and we do not have to feel bad that we don't have real genuine Biblical faith in common with them, and we don't have to feel bad they hate us because we are truly loved by God and kept for Jesus Christ, and we can be thankful He will come again for us and rejoice with trembling those who only pretend to be Christians will never barge their way into heaven by attempting to (ab)use genuine blievers as their door mats but will be thrown into hell forever.

So many God HELP us! and grant us the mercy and grace to know the truth, pursue holiness, faithfulness and all that pleases Him
no matter what others do or don't do

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News Item6/5/14 7:38 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I wish there was no such thing as denominations, calvinists, Arminians, camps, sides, etc. Born again Christians all believe in the same God, the same bible, Heaven, Hell, angels and demons, salvation, justification, faith, sin, God's plan and promises, where we came from and where we're going, the power of prayer, and the list goes on and on. When I first came to the forum, I remember very clearly how surprized I was that born again Christians argue. Sounds silly now but I though everyone just naturally got along and all believed the same things. I realize now that people are people, no matter who we are and there will be disagreements, but what never ceases to bother me and surprize me is when born again Christians hurl judgements and condemnations at each other and speak to each other as if they are filled with pure hatred. SteveR is a prime example of the type I'm trying to convey. See things his way, and he is gentle and personable. Disagree with him or state facts about Roman Catholocism and you suddenly become a child of Satan; a poor, lost, deluded fool. Never a discussion, never a kind word, just anger and hatred which is the same thing seen when some others hold to differing viewpoints. Just sad to see sometimes because we are suppose to be a single family, bro
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News Item6/4/14 9:57 PM
Huh  Find all comments by Huh
Hey calvanist and arminianist!
Guess who "the elect are"?

.......... " the whosoever wills". Surprise!!!

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News Item6/4/14 3:27 PM
Looks like per Steadfast | Bible is Arminian  Find all comments by Looks like per Steadfast
Arminianism is Heresy wrote:
It is not about the Bible..
There it is in black and white, Arm said it is not about the Bible.

So, here is the question. First no one but you has said anything about humans assisting God in the work of salvation. John UK specifically said being enlightended and enlivened by the Spirit which is what you are arguing for. You cannot produce a post that proves that wrong.

You are arguing like a person can be saved apart from the presenting of the Word of God. Peter preached, Paul preached, the Lord Jesus preached, but you somehow think that it isn't necessary?????? If you think you are wiser than God, then if you are looking for a heretic find a mirror.

What about you? What is your testimony? Did you simply wake up one day and you were saved or did someone share the gospel with you? (I say you won't answer that question)

God's elect must hear the gospel in order to be saved, if you don't believe that then you are saying you know more about salvation than what God put in His Word. Plain as day faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Your choice either believe the Bible and God or stand upon the sinking sand of man's doctrine.

You alone are making the mountain no molehill existed.

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News Item6/4/14 2:25 PM
Arminianism is Heresy  Find all comments by Arminianism is Heresy
Looks like per Steadfast wrote:
Please note the only thing in the prior post was the Bible so Arminianism is Heresy
It is not about the Bible and the way God has presented His perfect doctrines.

YOU put the Romans 10 post up because you read the Bible in a specific way. Arminian.

What I did in my previous post was to demonstrate Biblical doctrine as a mental precursor to reading any part of Scripture.

Biblical Calvinism is the correct method by which the Bible truths are to be elicited from Scripture.

If you go headlong into Bible verses such as Romans 10 with the Arminian free will DIY salvation works based religion then you may read the Bible, BUT you will come away with the wrong interpretations.

This is why Roman Catholics, Arminians JW's and other cults think they are equally responsible for their salvation with God.

Before you devise a new theology on "human responsibility" - Try thinking of giving all the glory to God for once.

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News Item6/4/14 12:57 PM
Looks like per Steadfast | Bible is Arminian  Find all comments by Looks like per Steadfast
Arminianism is Heresy wrote:
(1) Try to remember that God is in charge - Not man.
(2) Try to remember that faith is the gift of God not the faculty of man.
(3) Try to remember that when Jesus said quote - "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." HE really did mean it. Honest.
# No man can come to me = This means nobody can come to Jesus.
# except the Father = This means that God the Father is essential to the task and sovereign over the saving.
# which hath sent me = This tells you that GOD sent Jesus for HIS purposes.
# draw him: This teaches GOD draws HIS elect to Jesus. Man doesn't have to paddle there by his own steam. Honest.
# and I will raise him up at the last day. - This means that Jesus saves those drawn by GOD at the end.
Remember the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation by works (Arminian human philosophy)- Doesn't actually work. Ok?
Please note the only thing in the prior post was the Bible so Arminianism is Heresy is arguing against the Bible. God chose the giving of the gospel to spread the message of salvation, your argument is with God. God uses means.
Your God is limited, He can't use means.
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News Item6/4/14 12:45 PM
Arminianism is Heresy  Find all comments by Arminianism is Heresy
Looks like per Steadfast wrote:
Romans 10:13
(1) Try to remember that God is in charge - Not man.
(2) Try to remember that faith is the gift of God not the faculty of man.
(3) Try to remember that when Jesus said quote - "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." HE really did mean it. Honest.

# No man can come to me = This means nobody can come to Jesus.
# except the Father = This means that God the Father is essential to the task and sovereign over the saving.
# which hath sent me = This tells you that GOD sent Jesus for HIS purposes.
# draw him: This teaches GOD draws HIS elect to Jesus. Man doesn't have to paddle there by his own steam. Honest.
# and I will raise him up at the last day. - This means that Jesus saves those drawn by GOD at the end.

Remember the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation by works (Arminian human philosophy)- Doesn't actually work. Ok?

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News Item6/4/14 11:35 AM
Looks like per Steadfast | Bible is Arminian  Find all comments by Looks like per Steadfast
Romans 10:13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

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News Item6/4/14 10:04 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I think John likes to go out witnessing and I figure that God will draw the elect to him. My sheep hear my voice, and in this case, they would hear it through John's voice, his handing out of tracts, etc. Hopefully I made sense instead of totally misunderstanding the issue.
Christopher, you have it perfectly!

Our responsibility works hand in hand with the sovereign Lord God.

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News Item6/4/14 9:56 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I think John likes to go out witnessing and I figure that God will draw the elect to him. My sheep hear my voice, and in this case, they would hear it through John's voice, his handing out of tracts, etc. Hopefully I made sense instead of totally misunderstanding the issue.
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News Item6/4/14 9:55 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Steadfast wrote:
"Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
And what is the will of the Father of Jesus?

"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

Now if you are making that a priority in your life and the life of your church, you may call Jesus Lord, Lord.

But if not........

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News Item6/4/14 9:53 AM
Shane | socal  Find all comments by Shane
Steadfast... humans can't identify the elect? didn't the Lord say you shall know them by their fruits? Sounds like the Lord says we can identify them.
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News Item6/4/14 9:31 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Steadfast wrote:
Try trusting in a Sovereign God.
How about ....... serving Him

Seems you malign our imperfect brother in Wales over that very thing. Shame on you.

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News Item6/4/14 9:13 AM
Steadfast  Find all comments by Steadfast
John UK wrote:
1) converted people generally desire to meet with God's people
2) seek out God's elect who are currently "children of wrath, even as others", and ensure that they hear the gospel
3) so you can invite them to the local Baptist church
1) Yeah?? But where do you find "God's people" these days??
2) John's patent Arminian DIY works based religious theory again!! Humans cannot identify the "elect" John. And how do you quote "ensure sinners hear the Gospel" - Is that by accepting the confessions of anybody and everybody again?
3) Why would you do that I thought you wanted them to receive the whole counsel of God and not human traditions?

"Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

John. Here is quite a good theory which was proposed by the Lord. - Apparently this one works.
"John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Try trusting in a Sovereign God.

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News Item6/4/14 8:52 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Randy wrote:
So how do you get people in the door ?
Just a suggestion, but converted people generally desire to meet with God's people, so get them converted outside.

Or, to please the Presby brethren, seek out God's elect who are currently "children of wrath, even as others", and ensure that they hear the gospel, upon which the Spirit of God will convict them of sin and bring them to repentance and faith, after which they will ask you where they can attend church to learn more.

Or, to please God, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved, and he that believeth not shall be damned." Those who come to life, being enlightened and enlivened and convicted by the Spirit, will want to know more, so you can invite them to the local Baptist church, where they will be encouraged in their faith or hear the gospel again until the penny drops and Jesus leads another son to glory.

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