US megapastor Mark Driscoll has once again found himself at the heart of controversy as allegations that Mars Hill deleted some of his "questionable" sermon material from its website surfaced this week.
On May 4 the love-him-or-hate-him Seattle-based preacher spoke from Acts chapter 6, but the video subsequently posted online by his church omits a six-minute segment from the original talk in which he differentiates between sin and making mistakes, and suggests that Jesus himself made errors while on earth.
Though Mars Hill have since responded to the accusations in an email to the Christian Post, in which the executive pastor of media and communications Anthony Ianniciello states it is "standard operating procedure" to edit talks, Driscoll's words have none the less been causing waves across the internet....
Pastor Mark Driscoll says: "When [Jesus] was learning as a little kid how to write his letters, was it like, 'I can do this, mom, I made the Heavens and the Earth. Watch, I can do cursive too'. Or, or, did he have to, 'Ok, this is how you make, oh, ah, ok, I got it right the second time.'"
Yet the Scripture says: "Now about the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught. And the Jews marveled, saying, 'How does this Man know letters, having never studied?' Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.'" ~ John 7:14-16 NKJV
More gospel coalitions finest......! Ohh. Did I forget to say... Piper loves Mark Driscoll theology.. When is someone from the new Calvinist movement going to rebuke this false teacher? Must be a young restless and reformed thing.?
Mark Driscoll says if Jesus played baseball or learned to ride a bike he might not have did it right the first time. These are poor examples to use to make a point. People like Driscoll wants to make Jesus like us. To try and bring Jesus down to our level. Jesus was perfect and without sin. Yes Jesus was all God and all Human. But he did not have a fallen human nature like us. Driscoll's teaching only serves to place the seeds of doubt in the minds of his listeners. Sounds a lot like the teaching of the cults that either downplay or deny the divinity of our Lord.
No doubt that John MacArthur would think that Mark Driscoll makes mistakes, as was pointed out in this SA thread, John MacArthur vs. Mark Driscoll: Megachurch pastors clash over charismatic theology. By the way, SA, doesn't like links in threads to other threads, because for one thing if you have typed up a lengthy reply, I assume it may well disappear, if you jump to that other thread. You may also have to go back to whatever you were when you hooked up this thread, perhaps the main page, to re-enter all that find prose, if you didn't copy it first. You have been warned, and hopefully SA won't remove this comment, because I did give this warning.
Christ Jesus did not make mistakes nor did HE need to.
However we can confirm that Mark Driscoll does make mistakes one of which is underestimating Christ. Perhaps this identifies Driscoll's true position in Christian knowledge which is to plant the seeds of doubt. This being so who does he really serve?
Christopher000 - I think you hit the proverbial nail... The problem today seems to be that people always want to hear something new... much like the Athenians of Paul's day... And as a result the Pastors of many Churches are spending too much time searching for the cutting edge, instead of focusing on the simple milk that most of their congregation needs, much less the meat of doctrine.
Aj wrote: Mark Driscoll's mission, (and all other preachers of the Word,) should be preaching and teaching the inerrant Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Aj UK I like your post, spot on!
This morning my wife and I were discussing church governments Bishop ruled Presbytery rule Congregational rule Pastoral dictatorships
There are a lot of issues involved unity purity of doctrine denomination corruption
And a loss of the sense of being a wanted, and welcomed particpant in the family of God, for the child of God in far too many of todays modern church whatever type of government they have
I know I can be very long winded
It hit me that in the letters to the seven churches in revelation Jesus was not so much speaking to the rulers of the churches, nor the people in the pew, He was of course speaking to those with ears, let them hear
He spoke directly to the angels (the messengers) of the churches. IMHO pastors need to humble themselves and so seek God, and be in His word and prayer, taking the logs out of their own eye first, preaching first to themselves what God is showing them and learning to live it out, that they might be genuine MESSENGERS of Christ where people can tell that God is speaking through them, listen and obey Him
"Mark Driscoll's mission, (and all other preachers of the Word,) should be preaching and teaching the inerrant Gospel of Jesus Christ. Labelling Jesus with mistakes is unnecessary and foolish..."
So simple, but so true, AJ. I hadn't really even wondered why he , or anyone, would feel the need to even discuss this, especially being a topic that can't possibly end well. The way I look at these types of things is that these pastors are always looking for a new edge, searching under rocks for new secrets to unveil, and let's not forget the press and visibility it all brings in. I think, for the most part, it takes an awful lot to lose megachurch members these days, but takes very little to gain new ones when you dangle a little carrot in front of them; a carrot that looks familiar, but something that they just can't quite put their finger on looks different and peaks their curiosity, drawing them to the carrot.
Mark Driscoll's mission, (and all other preachers of the Word,) should be preaching and teaching the inerrant Gospel of Jesus Christ. Labelling Jesus with mistakes is unnecessary and foolish. Mark Driscoll is trying to lower Jesus down to our level, the mistake of every heresy preaching cult. The bible NEVER records that Jesus made even one mistake. Mark Driscoll has made many, this one being monumental, but by Gods grace, forgivable.