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SATURDAY, MAY 24, 2014  |  42 comments
Catholic school teachers leaving over morality clause

Parent protests in front of school. Online petitions circulating. And perhaps most concerning to the Oakland Catholic Diocese: Some donors are declining to contribute money to schools.

There is more fallout coming from our story last week about how Catholic school teachers must sign a new contract with the Diocese of Oakland pledging to conform to church teachings outside the workplace.

O’Dowd teacher Kathleen Purcell said that she crossed out what she felt was the objectionable language on her contract, then signed and submitted it. But it was rejected and the history teacher and career counselor won’t return. Purcell, a longtime civil rights and constitutional law attorney, said she couldn’t in good conscience sign the contract.

“It’s a loyalty oath and to sign that would go against everything I believe in,” Purcell said. ...


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News Item5/25/14 8:56 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Yurich USA wrote:
I guess I would have to accept excommunication.
Unprofitable Servant: If I was excommunicated I believe I would go to Heaven because I trust in Jesus alone for salvation.
Thank you for response and I apologize for saying you would not answer the question
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News Item5/25/14 5:04 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
GSTexas wrote:
Say the preist doesnt ask for a meeting but just flat out confronts you with excommunication unless you recant? Are you willing to be excommunicated? Remember this a hypothetical question, not an example of how the preist may actually approach you.
I guess I would have to accept excommunication.

Unprofitable Servant: If I was excommunicated I believe I would go to Heaven because I trust in Jesus alone for salvation.

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News Item5/25/14 4:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant

I was reminded of your question to Troll Yurich when I read this verse.

John 9:22 KJV
(22) These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

Imagine being more concerned for status at the synagogue than confessing that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

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News Item5/24/14 9:19 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
GSTexas wrote:
Say the preist doesnt ask for a meeting but just flat out confronts you with excommunication unless you recant? Are you willing to be excommunicated? Remember this a hypothetical question, not an example of how the preist may actually approach you.
GS he will just say that a priest can't excommunicate, which is why I used a bishop, because a bishop can.

Also, John/George, I said nothing about being requested for a meeting, GS is giving you the scenario I mentioned, you are confronted not given the choice of a meeting. I still say you will not answer the question. I am not trying to win an argument with you. I am trying to show to you and others who doubt it, that your choice of the RRC is not just a love of liturgy or a showing of shyness but a hope of heaven. Excommunication would be meaningless to you if you were born from above.

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News Item5/24/14 8:44 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
*priest*
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News Item5/24/14 8:42 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
Say the preist doesnt ask for a meeting but just flat out confronts you with excommunication unless you recant? Are you willing to be excommunicated? Remember this a hypothetical question, not an example of how the preist may actually approach you.
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News Item5/24/14 7:15 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Yurich USA wrote:
The hypothetical situation is that I would be requested by the Bishop to make a meeting with him. Well hypothetically I would refuse to meet with the Bishop as my beliefs are none of his business in the first place. The RCC doesn't excommunicate RC's that are not politicians for not subscribing to all RCC doctrines. So your hypothetical situation is not even realistic.
See I said you would not answer the question. You probably won't answer this one either, so will call my last try on this thread. Pure and simple, if you were ex-communicated from the RCC do you still believe you would make it to heaven?
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News Item5/24/14 7:06 PM
NRC  Find all comments by NRC
Your hypothetical religion is not realistic...it is ludicrous and ridiculous
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News Item5/24/14 6:55 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
This article lends itself to this, so can't be accused of speaking off topic.
John Yurich, my prediction is you will not answer this question forthrightly, I hope I am wrong, but we shall see.
The bishop confronts you about your posts here on SermonAudio and states that unless you renounce your beliefs you will be ex-communicated. (this is not about the reality of this happening but a what if question) You say that you are trusting only in your profession of faith to get you to heaven. So, if that is true, then nothing done by the RCC can change your standing.
Would you willing take ex-communication from the Catholic church because it doesn't have an effect on what you are trusting for salvation? Would you allow yourself to be ex-communicated from the RCC? Yes or no, simple question, just want simple answer. Thanks.
The hypothetical situation is that I would be requested by the Bishop to make a meeting with him. Well hypothetically I would refuse to meet with the Bishop as my beliefs are none of his business in the first place. The RCC doesn't excommunicate RC's that are not politicians for not subscribing to all RCC doctrines. So your hypothetical situation is not even realistic.
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News Item5/24/14 6:12 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
I would suggest that answer is an obvious example of someone wanting an excuse when caught looking at porn.
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News Item5/24/14 6:02 PM
Missing the obvious  Find all comments by Missing the obvious
scuse me wrote:
Question still stands.
How will he know if the seller has provided porn unless he confirms by sight.
ps; You don't know a car is a car? Wow!!
Perhaps all this time you've been driving a giraffe?
which btw is - a tall, long-necked, spotted ruminant, Giraffa camelopardalis,
Not sure what point you are trying to make unless it is encouraging people to look at porn. Stever point was obvious and you are trying to tear it down on a technicality. The pornography that is on the internet is still just that, pornography, whether someone looks at it or not. It doesn't become pornography when it is viewed. That is why the Bible says, "Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away." (Proverbs 4:15)
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News Item5/24/14 5:28 PM
scuse me  Find all comments by scuse me
Missing the obvious wrote:
Probably was known at the time of purchase, he did say owning the junk, I don't know the car I own is a car unless I am driving it?
Question still stands.
How will he know if the seller has provided porn unless he confirms by sight.
ps; You don't know a car is a car? Wow!!
Perhaps all this time you've been driving a giraffe?
which btw is - a tall, long-necked, spotted ruminant, Giraffa camelopardalis,
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News Item5/24/14 5:13 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ummm...yikes.
: )
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News Item5/24/14 5:07 PM
Missing the obvious  Find all comments by Missing the obvious
scuse me wrote:
How will you know it is porn if you don't look?
Probably was known at the time of purchase, he did say owning the junk, I don't know the car I own is a car unless I am driving it?
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News Item5/24/14 4:57 PM
scuse me  Find all comments by scuse me
Stevenr wrote:
It's not a sin for me to own porn as long as I don't look at it.
How will you know it is porn if you don't look?
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News Item5/24/14 4:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Matthew 5:8 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.---NASB
Clarke wrote:
Verse 8. Pure in heart] In opposition to the Pharisees, who affected outward purity, while their hearts were full of corruption and defilement. A principal part of the Jewish religion consisted in outward washings and cleansings: on this ground they expected to see God, to enjoy eternal glory: but Christ here shows that a purification of the heart, from all vile affections and desires, is essentially requisite in order to enter into the kingdom of God. He whose soul is not delivered from all sin, through the blood of the covenant, can have no Scriptural hope of ever being with God. There is a remarkable illustration of this passage, quoted by Mr. Wakefield from Origen, Contra Cels. lib. vi. "God has no body, and therefore is invisible: but men of contemplation can discern him with the heart and understanding. But A DEFILED HEART CANNOT SEE GOD: but HE MUST BE PURE WHO WISHES TO ENJOY A PROPER VIEW OF A PURE BEING."
See Roman Catholic Authority. RCC authority is based on the Pharisee model.

GSTexas

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News Item5/24/14 4:03 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them..." (Exodus 20:3-4)
Sorry JY... It said make unto thee... I am assuming that buying one at the fish and dove store would apply... It is about possession of things God said no about
Like I jokingly said earlier, that is no different than owning porn and saying you aren't looking at it, so it is ok...
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News Item5/24/14 3:21 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
John,

I was talking about the catholic crucifix with Christ STILL hanging on the cross. Am I to understand you dont find this blasphemous? Christ was buried and rose three days later forever defeating sin and death. He is no longer still hanging on the cross for the RCC to continually sacrifice.

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News Item5/24/14 2:00 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
This article lends itself to this, so can't be accused of speaking off topic.

John Yurich, my prediction is you will not answer this question forthrightly, I hope I am wrong, but we shall see.

The bishop confronts you about your posts here on SermonAudio and states that unless you renounce your beliefs you will be ex-communicated. (this is not about the reality of this happening but a what if question) You say that you are trusting only in your profession of faith to get you to heaven. So, if that is true, then nothing done by the RCC can change your standing.

Would you willing take ex-communication from the Catholic church because it doesn't have an effect on what you are trusting for salvation? Would you allow yourself to be ex-communicated from the RCC? Yes or no, simple question, just want simple answer. Thanks.

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News Item5/24/14 1:29 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
NRC wrote:
John y.....you never answer with what scripture says, only what men say or do.
VERY REVEALING, CONCERNING YOUR SPIRITUAL CONDITION. YOUR TRUST IS IN WHAT MEN SAY OR DO.
The Second Commandment states not to bow down to or pray to any image. It is not a violation of the Second Commandment to own a Crucifix or any other image if one doesn't bow down to or pray to the Crucifix or any other image. You asked for reference from the Bible and you got it.
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