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Choice News THURSDAY, MAY 22, 2014  |  53 comments
Dem Congressman: ‘We’ve Proved That Communism Works’

Democratic Florida Rep. Joe Garcia — fresh off being caught eating his own earwax on camera — was caught red-handed (or is it yellow-fingered?) in another gaffe this week, claiming that low crime rates in border cities with lots of federal immigration workers is proof that “Communism works.”

Garcia made the comment during a Google hangout he convened last week to talk about comprehensive immigration reform with supporters. The Democrat attempted to point out how, for all their talk about limited government, many Republicans are fine spending loads of government money on border security. ...


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News Item5/29/14 5:16 PM
William S. Sutherland | Houston, Texas  Find all comments by William S. Sutherland
Jim,
I fail to see why you keep bringing up Roman Catholicism in regards to my denunciation of the satanic scheme of socialism favored by the Impostor from Kenya and his followers. NOWHERE have I ever promoted or supported the Church of Rome and her Babylonish system of superstition. How bad romanism is does not in any way excuse the equally evil socialism promoted by collectivists. And as Strat & Unprofitable Servant have already pointed out, the having of all things in common practiced by the early church (Acts 2:44; 4:32) was in no way the same as the forced socialism of totalitarians and wannabe's such as the current Occupier of the White House and his gang of thieves & liars.
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News Item5/28/14 9:40 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
John UK wrote:
1. Ah, so you want to be president, so that you can use the taxes in the way you want to use them. A bit like a Bob Dylan character, protest marcher, ban the bomb type, CND and all that. Okay. But that is rebellion against the God-ordained guv. Or maybe you could go into politics, eh?
2. Sure, you said in another thread just now, that you don't like your taxes going to a non-working person. Sure, if they are a scrounger, we have them in this country as well. But there are plenty of genuine needy people who through no fault of their own are unable to work any more. I was medically retired from work through serious illness in middle age, and the very same could happen to you. Nothing wrong with health insurance by law, so that the needy don't go into poverty.
No wonder England is finished.
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News Item5/28/14 10:48 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
I'm astonished that an Englishman has so much trouble with English comprehension,where did I say to get rid of the military ??? did I not instead address the issue of the way the military is used ?

Where did I say anything about not paying taxes ? quote me if you can.
I said legitimate government services then listed them,secure the borders,provide law and order and allow the people to prosper through their own work....how much more plain can that be ???

1. Ah, so you want to be president, so that you can use the taxes in the way you want to use them. A bit like a Bob Dylan character, protest marcher, ban the bomb type, CND and all that. Okay. But that is rebellion against the God-ordained guv. Or maybe you could go into politics, eh?

2. Sure, you said in another thread just now, that you don't like your taxes going to a non-working person. Sure, if they are a scrounger, we have them in this country as well. But there are plenty of genuine needy people who through no fault of their own are unable to work any more. I was medically retired from work through serious illness in middle age, and the very same could happen to you. Nothing wrong with health insurance by law, so that the needy don't go into poverty.

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News Item5/28/14 9:44 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
John UK wrote:
Strat, you astonish me.
However, if I have misunderstood your entire thesis, I apologise. And if you are making points in such a vague way that no-one can grasp what you're saying, then you need to improve your communicating skills.
I'm astonished that an Englishman has so much trouble with English comprehension,where did I say to get rid of the military ??? did I not instead address the issue of the way the military is used ?

Where did I say anything about not paying taxes ? quote me if you can.

I said legitimate government services then listed them,secure the borders,provide law and order and allow the people to prosper through their own work....how much more plain can that be ???

No one ? Penned seems to understand,perhaps its just an American thing to question government and over there the only alternative to absolute and total government is no government at all....and we don't have any history of peasantry to draw from here either.

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News Item5/28/14 4:06 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
I prefer freedom over security...
John UK wrote:
Without armed forces there is no freedom nor security...
Strat wrote:
I can only assume at this point that by constantly responding to things I havn't said you just want to argue,
Strat, you astonish me.

However, if I have misunderstood your entire thesis, I apologise. And if you are making points in such a vague way that no-one can grasp what you're saying, then you need to improve your communicating skills.

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News Item5/27/14 10:41 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Strat wrote:
1.Foreign entanglements
2.Useless,bloated and overlapping bureaucracies
3.The creation of a political rewards system for the citizens where they can steal
yep, yep, yep
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News Item5/27/14 9:54 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
John UK wrote:
Without armed forces there is no freedom nor security, without waste collection there is no waste collection, without a fire engine there is no fire-fighting. Without car insurance you could end up paying someone the rest of your life.
Tell you what, why not tell me what sort of political ideal you espouse? I've only ever lived in the UK where we pay taxes to those we vote into power. If we didn't vote, they would have to come up with something different. However, I am not held responsible by God for what the guv spends my money on. God raises them up and brings them down.
Do you disagree with the USA being the major player in world war three?
I can only assume at this point that by constantly responding to things I havn't said you just want to argue,you will have to find somebody else to do it with,as far as WW3 is concerned America may be a major player when it begins but probably not when its over
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News Item5/27/14 10:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
trat wrote:
The last part of your post was
"What do they do with your money that you don't agree with" so yes John I guess it was....perhaps you think the things I listed don't cost anything ?
I prefer freedom over security and a man much wiser than both of us pointed out that to give up the former to obtain the latter disqualifies you for either one and tyranny always follows.
Without armed forces there is no freedom nor security, without waste collection there is no waste collection, without a fire engine there is no fire-fighting. Without car insurance you could end up paying someone the rest of your life.

Tell you what, why not tell me what sort of political ideal you espouse? I've only ever lived in the UK where we pay taxes to those we vote into power. If we didn't vote, they would have to come up with something different. However, I am not held responsible by God for what the guv spends my money on. God raises them up and brings them down.

Do you disagree with the USA being the major player in world war three?

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News Item5/27/14 10:28 AM
trat  Find all comments by trat
John UK wrote:
Sorry, was that an answer to my question?
The last part of your post was

"What do they do with your money that you don't agree with" so yes John I guess it was....perhaps you think the things I listed don't cost anything ?

I prefer freedom over security and a man much wiser than both of us pointed out that to give up the former to obtain the latter disqualifies you for either one and tyranny always follows as a just reward.

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News Item5/27/14 9:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Sorry, was that an answer to my question?
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News Item5/27/14 9:14 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
1.Foreign entanglements that our founders warned us about,that cost American lives and blood,then they insult us by saying we are fighting for America,freedom and the constitution yet our country is less free day by day,one must remember that every law is a restriction in some way of freedom yet we pass on average 40,000 laws a year in America,and what right do we have to enforce our constitution in another country anyway ?

2.Useless,bloated and overlapping bureaucracies bypassing Congress and enforcing regulations with the force of law...a government unto themselves,an unelected government at that.

3.The creation of a political rewards system for the citizens where they can steal from each other via government and secure the loot by voting for the same politicians every election,this is the fate spoken of so often,when people discover they can steal money "legally" there is no end to their greed and covetousness and they bankrupt the country,we in America have gone from the sin of expecting something for nothing to the insanity of expecting something from nothing and we are about tapped out.

The function of government is to secure borders(fail)enforce laws equally(fail)to provide only essential services(fail)and allow the people to prosper through their work (huge fail)

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News Item5/27/14 7:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
No,i'm describing the right of people to have private property and resources to use,spend and give at their discretion without the constant threat of those who lust after that property and will on one side of the spectrum put a gun in your face and take it,and those on the other side who manipulate a political system to take it from you by force of law.
Well Strat, if you read my post again, you will see that in the UK we have taxes taken off us by force of law, and if we don't pay them, we get fined.

What political system in America takes your earnings by force of law? You seem to dislike them doing that. What do they do with your money that you don't agree with?

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News Item5/27/14 7:51 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
I have searched my post and can't find anything about not paying taxes for legitimate services like defense and law and order,in America many communities have volunteer Fire departments who collect donations from the community,those communities with paid fire departments pay taxes for it.

The discussion of taxes always seems to include hiding the illegitimate behind the legitimate in an attempt to derail the discussion and marginalize those who scrutinize the system,those who love government(those getting a check from it) think that government is or should be the arbiter of all things because people are not capable of making decisions for their own life,apart from their sexual preferences of course,my goodness we must protect sacred rights at all cost.

I understand the attitude of an Englishman,we fought a war against you because you thought you had the right to take from us whatever you wanted for whatever you wanted,i'm an old school American who still believes in freedom and the right to private property so I can see our divide.

The fact is the wealth that people lust after is produced by work and enterprise and the incentive that those who produce it keep most of it,when what they get is the same as those who produce nothing the system will collapse.

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News Item5/27/14 5:11 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
Remove it all you like,what he said still has nothing to do with what I said and is perfectly eligible for the description I gave.....by all means try again John,and please make sense this time.
Strat, you seem to dislike having earned money taken away from you by the guv.

You would far rather keep all that earned money for yourself, to spend it on just what you want to spend it on.

Is that your thinking?

What if some lunatic country decides to attack Alabama, but you have not a single weapon to defend it? What if your house catches fire and there is no fire service to help? What if you have a serious accident and there is no hospital, no ambulance? What if a lunatic goes beserk in your street with a gun and there are no armed police to deal with it?

In the UK, we have taxes to pay, which the guv spends as they see fit. After the first 10k income, we pay 20% of income called income tax. Also we pay council tax which provides waste collection, police, etc. Then we pay National Insurance tax which ensures we have medical treatment of any magnitude anywhere in the country.

Are you saying you don't like this system because it smacks of communism?

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News Item5/26/14 8:23 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
Remove it all you like,what he said still has nothing to do with what I said and is perfectly eligible for the description I gave.....by all means try again John,and please make sense this time.
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News Item5/26/14 6:34 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
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News Item5/26/14 6:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat wrote:
No,i'm describing the right of people to have private property and resources to use,spend and give at their discretion without the constant threat of those who lust after that property and will on one side of the spectrum put a gun in your face and take it,and those on the other side who manipulate a political system to take it from you by force of law.
Well, let us suppose your parents were in that situation. They earned money, kept themselves, and then you were born - with down's syndrome. Just after you were born, your parents died, leaving you wailing on the mat. No relatives left alive. You're all alone on the mat. Tell me Strat, who in your ideal world will look after you? Or is it a case of the survival of the fittest?

I'm turning in, but will look in first thing in the morning to see how your ideal world works in that scenario.

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News Item5/26/14 5:58 PM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
John UK wrote:
Strat,
You appear to be describing "the survival of the fittest".
No,i'm describing the right of people to have private property and resources to use,spend and give at their discretion without the constant threat of those who lust after that property and will on one side of the spectrum put a gun in your face and take it,and those on the other side who manipulate a political system to take it from you by force of law.

The end of personal property will be the end of prosperity and the production of wealth that people lust after because there will be no incentive to create wealth anymore.

The survival of the fittest you speak of will happen when all are destitute and desperate fighting each other for dwindling resources.

The "poor" are not the only reason the government wants money,it also wants it for political and military adventures all around the world,and to create benefits and a lifestyle for its circles that many of those who they take from can only imagine.

I guess I have to repeat myself and state that the sin known as stealing described in the 10 commandments is meaningless without personal ownership of property,sort of like God commanding man not to flap his wings when he has none to begin with.

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News Item5/26/14 4:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Strat,
You appear to be describing "the survival of the fittest".
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News Item5/26/14 3:58 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
...
The early church seemed to have been communistic (Note that's with a small "c" ), and in America while our national model should be "Greed Works!" in has seem to work in the milieu of Christian Culture.
Whoa, looks like you need to stop reading the NASB. The early church was certainly captilist. Giving to the poor is what we have here in a Capitalist country, making everybody poor is what you have in a Communist country. But just so you will see the point, will even quote the NASB

Acts 5:4a (NASB) 4 While it remained unsold, did it not REMAIN YOUR OWN? (not communism)And after it was sold, WAS IT NOT UNDER YOUR CONTROL? (again not Communism)

The disciples WILLING (in the passage you sited), not by force, sold their possession to meet the pressing need of thousands who would have normally been back in their homes in far off lands still there after Pentecost learning the apostles doctrine.

You said our national model is greed works, so if you would be so kind as tell which nation in the world is more generous than America.

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