UPS, I'm glad you're around to John Y., in check. He has many heretical ideas such as he can mix bad and good and come out good, when in actuality it comes out all very bad. At least read the summary to this sermon, John Y., Departure From the Truth to Lies.
John Yurich USA wrote: How in the name of all that is holy can Bible readings, the words of Jesus from the Last Supper, the Apostles Creed, the Lord's Prayer and prayers to Jesus be unscriptural and blasphemous? Luther did not even believe the entire Mass is unscriptural because he retained the scriptural aspects of the Mass in the Lutheran Church. In fact Luther continued to call the worship service in the Lutheran Church Mass.
John Y, you tell me. Read the passages I quoted and note the Israelites outward worship was exactly what God commanded and commended. Why did God reject their worship?
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Correct form within a blasphemous system is meaningless, it is ALL blasphemous, the entire mass is altogether UnScriptural and abominable It is a stench in nostrils of God.
How in the name of all that is holy can Bible readings, the words of Jesus from the Last Supper, the Apostles Creed, the Lord's Prayer and prayers to Jesus be unscriptural and blasphemous? Luther did not even believe the entire Mass is unscriptural because he retained the scriptural aspects of the Mass in the Lutheran Church. In fact Luther continued to call the worship service in the Lutheran Church Mass.
John Yurich USA wrote: The scriptural parts to the Mass ...
Isaiah 1:10-15 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Proverbs 15:8 The sacrifice (worship) of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
Correct form within a blasphemous system is meaningless, it is ALL blasphemous, the entire mass is altogether UnScriptural and abominable It is a stench in nostrils of God.
Christopher000 wrote: As far as I can tell, the only scriptural part of any mass is when they read verbatim from the Bible which takes a couple of minutes. What are the other parts?
The scriptural parts to the Mass besides the Bible readings are: The Psalms that are sung between the first reading and the second reading from the Bible, the Apostles Creed, the Lord's Prayer, the songs about Jesus, the words of Jesus at the Last Supper, the Eucharistic Prayer minus the mention of the intercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saints and the mention of the Mass being a sacrifice, the prayers to Jesus.
âEvangelical believers must recognize the need to evangelize Rcâs. If they hold to the gospel taught by the RCC, then they are trusting in a false gospel. They will not be justified. The Apostle Paul warns about those who believe in the preaching of a different gospel: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed." A Roman Catholic will only be saved through the biblical gospel of justification through faith alone.
In our doctrine and in our evangelism, we should declare together with Martin Luther that justification is "the doctrine by which the church stands or falls."
Takeheed...John Y., thinks aiding and abetting a false religion is okay with God, but of course it isn't, such a person who supports The Papacy is not a Christian. Takeheed...you are giving excellent remarks why an actual Christian would feel conpelled to Come Out Of The Catholic Church
John Yurich USA wrote: I have separated from the unscriptural aspects of the RCC but I practice it the way that I want to
Brother William tells me to leave you to it and stick to the news, but I do have a deep concern for your soul as the gospel is THE 'Good News' taking priority on any Christian site.
Did you ever get round to understanding what the RCC believes re: 'Justification' compared to what Evangelical Protestants believe about Justification By faith 'Alone'? Did you see the anathema against Evangelical Protestants for believing as we do? I am sure you will not find one ministry on SA that holds to your views. Why?
As you find much of RC so unscriptural and have a DIY RC in its place, I am sure once you study Justification on the CARMS site you visit, then you, with God's gracious enlightenment, will have to leave the Romanist system.
Have a look at CARMS on that subject and what Roman Catholicism actually believes on JUSTIFICATION. It is unscriptural and another heresy to add to the ones you already have seen. A man born of God's Spirit will? See:
2 Corinthians 6:17
I trust Bro' William and all who read the news comments will pray that God will yet be pleased to convict you for His own glory.
takeheedthatnomandeceiveyou wrote: 'How many times do I have to state that before you get it?' John Y You are all over the place and I wonder why you post on a site that is run by a PROTESTANT who in your eyes is PSYCHOTIC as he holds to the WCF which exposes the synagogue of satan and the papal antichrist. Below is a quote from one of his sister denominations pamphlets. It either applies to your priest who holds to heretical doctrine (which you have to admit) or it applies to you as you will not separate from heresy-mass, baptismic regeneration etc. We are to reject those who teach error.
I have separated from the unscriptural aspects of the RCC as I reject that the Mass is a sacrifice, I reject that Baptism imparts salvation and I reject every other unscriptural RCC doctrine. I adhere only to the scriptural RCC doctrines and I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass. I don't associate with the priest or anybody else in the local Catholic Church. I practice Catholicism but I practice it the way that I want to scripturally by only adhering to the scriptural aspects of Catholicism and only participating in the scriptural parts to the Mass.
'How many times do I have to state that before you get it?'
You are all over the place and I wonder why you post on a site that is run by a PROTESTANT who in your eyes is PSYCHOTIC as he holds to the WCF which exposes the synagogue of satan and the papal antichrist
Below is a quote from one of his sister denominations pamphlets. It either applies to your priest who holds to heretical doctrine (which you have to admit) or it applies to you as you will not separate from heresy-mass, baptismic regeneration etc
'We are to reject those who teach error. âA man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition rejectâ (Titus 3:10) Instead of associating with false teachers and seeking to bring them around to our way of thinking, we are to reject them when there has been a repeated refusal to forsake false teaching or practice. We must reject those who persist in propagating error. Just as the physical body seeks to eradicate and reject a virus that is harming it, so the spiritual body must do likewise. These false teachers are not to be looked upon as belonging to the Church of Christ. They are to be denounced as those who bring in damnable heresies (2 Peter 2:1). 4(The Papal Visit: Why We Oppose It)
Jim Lincoln wrote: No, John Y., Christian and Catholics -- never together!. Martin Luther and John Calvin both called the Pope the Anti-Christ--thus head of evil church. I recommend The Pope and the Papacy to see the comments from those great Reformers. But John Y., we find it unfortunate that you have finally gave meaning to Marshall McLuen's comment, "The media is the message," in another thread. Through the years people thought that catchy phrase, was just that without meaning, but because of the rituals of the Romish church, which lack efficacy, one can apply to Romish practices and the way, which you and many Catholics behold the damnable sacraments. The Black magic of the Romish Church doesn't guarantee you place in heaven, John Y.
Calvin and Luther were wrong to call the Pope the Anti-Christ as no Pope has ever been the Anti-Christ as the Anti-Christ will not come on the scene until near the Second Coming of Christ. I don't behold the Sacraments of the RCC as I don't trust in the Sacraments for salvation. I never go to Confession and I don't believe the Mass is a sacrifice and I sure don't believe the RCC doctrine of Holy Communion. I put my trust in Jesus alone for salvation. How many times do I have to state that before you get it?
There is nothing logical about your post, since its filled with circular reasoning, and "no true scotsman" fallacies. One cannot worship two masters as scripture tells us, so catholics nullify any notion of worshipping Jesus as God, when they worship Mary and the Pope. And since the RCC propagates the satanic gospel of works righteouness, calling it satanic seems pretty accurate to me.
John Yurich USA wrote: It is only in your warped mind that Catholicism is a satanic religion. No normal Evangelical Protestant believes that. Only abnormal and mentally deranged and psychotic Evangelical Protestants believe that.
I know some might think this unkind, but you are speaking "Rubbish".
Evangelical Protestants have always made it clear that Rome is the synagogue of satan, you just have to read the Westminster Confession Of Faith. If that isn't clear enough read the Baptist 1689 Confession re: the Pope or even the articles of the C of E.
I wouldn't trust your alleged baptist evangelical protestant friend, but I would listen to the voice of a God blessed 'proven' Protestant called THE PRINCE OF PREACHERS
'As the gospel is the masterpiece of God, âPoperyâ is the masterpiece of Satan! There can scarcely be imagined anything of devilish craftiness or Satanic wickedness which could be compared with her. She is the unparalleled queen of iniquity! Behold upon her forehead the name, Mystery,Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. The church of Rome and her teachings are a vast mountain of rubbish covering the truth.
Charles Spurgeon, sermon on Nehemiah 4:10, âRubbishâ (No. 1156)