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First Openly 'Gay' Episcopal Bishop to Divorce 'Husband'

The first openly gay Episcopal bishop, who became a symbol for 'gay rights' far beyond the church while deeply dividing the world's Anglicans, plans to divorce his 'husband'.

Bishop Gene Robinson announced the end of his marriage to Mark Andrew in an email sent to the Diocese of New Hampshire, where he served for nine years before retiring in 2012.

Robinson would not disclose details about the end of their 25-year [sodomitic]relationship but wrote Sunday in The Daily Beast he owed a debt to Andrew "for standing by me through the challenges of the last decade." ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
...they need fervant intercessory prayer that is heard and answered, the kind of real praying which comes from God....
Not forgetting bro there is one intercessor who never fails. He shed his blood, he applies the benefits of his blood. He died on the cross, he gives life to whomsoever he will. He once for all redeemed his people, one by one he redeems his people. Thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins.

Hebrews 7:25 KJV
(25) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

He intercedes for his people, his people come unto God by him and are saved.

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News Item5/12/14 12:53 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Lurker wrote:
Michael,
You've known me for enough years to know that the bible is my sole and final authority
Lurker,
my friend
If I may be so blunt
Many of us here on SermonAudio have unsaved loved ones

they need fervant intercessory prayer that is heard and answered, the kind of real praying which comes from God Himself setting His people to praying according to His PROMISES IN HIS WORD

they need witnesses they will listen to that will tell them the Truth of Jesus Christ far more than those who want them prostyleted into modern day reformed/Calvinism, witnesses full of the Holy Spirit and Power, far more than full of religous education

To be blunt, God sees what we/they need, now are we going to seek Him for it?

You may not feel like it right now but I trust in time you will realize the love God has given me for you and for others here

It is taking time but God willing I will write out, record and upload a sermon with the title:
"Get Drunk AND Pray!"

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News Item5/12/14 12:32 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Michael Hranek wrote:
Lurker
On the contrary.....
please don't let the influences of modern day 'Calvinism' blind/rob you to/of the truth
Michael,

You've known me for enough years to know that the bible is my sole and final authority so, even though you didn't intend it, your comment comes across as an insult.

Earlier, you took a swipe at what many of us who hold to the doctrines of free and sovereign grace perceive as unshakable biblical truth, that God has mercy on whom He chooses, and when called on to defend your swipe you automatically switch to preaching mode to avoid the issue. Again, even though you didn't intend it, this comes across as disrespectful.

My attempt to resume posting on SermonAudio has been anything but encouraging so I'm going to resume my break from posting for a while and pray for God's guidance. Blessings to all.

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News Item5/12/14 11:01 AM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
MikeNY,

No one, including Pink, is denying that God loves His own, however, that is not the only 'attribute' that caused God to sacrifice His Son. Why did there have to be a sacrifice for sin? Because God is holy,holy,holy. He cannot & will not tolerate sin and let it go unpunished. Pink was looking at every aspect of the cross when he stated -"When Scripturally expounded the Gospel presents the clearest demonstration and the climacteric proof of the inexorableness of God’s justice and of His infinite abhorrence of sin. The Gospel shows us how unsparingly God deals with sin. It reveals to us the terrible sword of His justice smiting His beloved Son in order that atonement might be made for the transgressions of His people."

God displayed His love for His chosen, His elect, by sacrificing His own Son for sin. We love Him because He first loved us; to the praise and glory of Him who sits on the throne.

'According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will'. Eph. 1:4-5

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News Item5/12/14 8:48 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Ladybug wrote:
MikeNY,
God did not have nor need a 'motive' to send His Son to the cross, Christ was the propitiation for sin; He chose to save some through the cross of Christ because it pleased Him to do so. There HAD to be a sacrifice for sin, for the sake of His people. Understanding God's holiness and His absolute hatred of sin is essential in understanding the cross. Too many want to overlook God's hatred of sin and His holiness and exalt only His love. --- God loves His elect, so He gave His Son. However, there's so much more to the cross than simply saying it's His display of love. The cross is a display of God's wrath, as He poured it out on His only Son. I recommend Pink's 'seven sayings of the Savior on the cross' for you to read; Pink does NOT exclude love from the cross, neither does he center the cross entirely on love.
The death of the Son was necessary only because God wanted to save man. Justice could be have been served by man's death. (The wages of sin) Christ indeed was the propitiation for sin. He chose to save because it pleased him to do so. It pleased him to do so because he loves. (We love him because he first loved us) As you said- "There HAD to be a sacrifice for sin, **for the sake of his people**"
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News Item5/12/14 6:24 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Lurker wrote:
Michael,
I've thought, prayed and shed tears over your comments of 5/11/14 6:31 AM and have decided that if you see "all" as all mankind in "that He might have mercy upon ALL".... there is nothing I can say or quote to change your mind.
I would only say.... be careful that your disdain for Calvinism doesn't blind you to the truth.
Lurker
On the contrary

and please understand I know there is a wide range in people calling themselves 'Calvinists' some like Spurgeon or Whitefield famous for praying, for their love of the word of God and laboring to see the lost saved, to here locally where I live a pastor infamous to me for perfunctory prayer, tepid preaching, and disdain for seeking the lost.

please don't let the influences of modern day 'Calvinism' blind/rob you to/of the truth
as what I call "modern day Calvinism" isn't going to save anyone, or give anyone sound Biblical on fire for the Lord Jesus Christ faith, faith that knows the immeasurable love of God poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit and faith so authored by God Himself and made real in our experience by the Spirit it sees mountains moved, and in the context of what I am saying the humanly impossible miracles only God can do to save people we love

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News Item5/12/14 12:20 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Michael Hranek wrote:
Lurker
Sorry, I do not understand where you are coming from on this right now. For me "that He might have mercy upon all" means just that ALL and encourages me in prayer and intercession for the salvation of others
Praying Much
Michael,

I've thought, prayed and shed tears over your comments of 5/11/14 6:31 AM and have decided that if you see "all" as all mankind in "that He might have mercy upon ALL".... there is nothing I can say or quote to change your mind.

I would only say.... be careful that your disdain for Calvinism doesn't blind you to the truth.

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News Item5/11/14 6:41 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
takeheedthatnomandeceiveyou wrote:
Lurker
Have a look at my previous post and the answer to question 7, the very text that a RC theologian raises, see what you think of the answer by an excellent ministry witnessing to RC's
Blessings, even if you disagree, brother!
Thank you.

Interesting read but here is my objection. The article asserts that the following verse does not encompass the original sin of our first parents and that all are guilty of that sin regardless.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son...

If that assertion is true, then the following is in error unless there is a separate judgment for original sin:

Eze 18:5-9 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right [...] Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

God is a just judge so is it possible for Him to declare someone "just" under the first covenant who "shall surely live" if that person is guilty of Adam's sin?

I agree with Federal Headship in concept but not every piece of baggage attached to it. Same with Total Depravity.

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News Item5/11/14 5:48 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Yes, that's the text, John.
As for your proposition, there is a difference between being in a state of unbelief and being a sinner. Peter, being a Jew, was confined in unbelief along with all the other Jews (when the commandment came and Paul died (Romans 7:9, Amos 9:10-11 cf. Acts 15:15-17)) yet He was in Christ and held to the hope of salvation (from unbelief which is God's wrath, i.e. the law) on the last day (Acts 15:7). Scripture states that in Adam all die, not that all are born dead.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son...
So, yes, I have some issues with parts of Total Depravity as well as Federal Headship as some teach.
Thank you Lurker. The question you raise is answered I think by take heed's link to Q7. I don't think I have any issue with Total Depravity or Federal Headship. Both seem to me to be biblical, although it is sure a hard subject to grasp. The apostle Paul got a handle on it though, and explained it well. That's what I think, anyway.
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News Item5/11/14 3:51 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Lurker wrote:
Michael,
Your comments re: "that he might have mercy upon all" make me very sad. If "all" doesn't mean the Israel of God (Gal 6:16) then who?
Lurker
Sorry, I do not understand where you are coming from on this right now. For me "that He might have mercy upon all" means just that ALL and encourages me in prayer and intercession for the salvation of others

Praying Much

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News Item5/11/14 3:40 PM
takeheedthatnomandeceiveyou  Find all comments by takeheedthatnomandeceiveyou
Lurker wrote:
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son...
Lurker

Have a look at my previous post and the answer to question 7, the very text that a RC theologian raises, see what you think of the answer by an excellent ministry witnessing to RC's

Blessings, even if you disagree, brother!

I may as well repost it, for ease...click on 'Question #7

see answer to question 7

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News Item5/11/14 3:14 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Is this the text you have been thinking of?

Romans 11:32 KJV For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Is it not true that when a child is born into this world, God exercises his justice upon them because of their sin in Adam and they are born dead in sin and "confined in unbelief"?

Yes, that's the text, John.

As for your proposition, there is a difference between being in a state of unbelief and being a sinner. Peter, being a Jew, was confined in unbelief along with all the other Jews (when the commandment came and Paul died (Romans 7:9, Amos 9:10-11 cf. Acts 15:15-17)) yet He was in Christ and held to the hope of salvation (from unbelief which is God's wrath, i.e. the law) on the last day (Acts 15:7). Scripture states that in Adam all die, not that all are born dead.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son...

So, yes, I have some issues with parts of Total Depravity as well as Federal Headship as some teach.

Michael,

Your comments "that he might have mercy upon all" make me very sad. If "all" doesn't mean the election (Rom 11:7), the Israel of God (Gal 6:16), then who?

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takeheedthatnomandeceiveyou  Find all comments by takeheedthatnomandeceiveyou
Some might not like this, but see much difference between Arminianism and Romish teaching on the Bondage of the Will?

“They are Arminians to a man; they deny the absolute sovereignty of God, his eternal choice of an elect people, and that Christ bore their sins only. They deny the total depravity of man, for they insist that he possesses a free will and can accept Christ and be saved by a decision of his own; thus directly repudiating God’s word, as found in John 1:13; 6;44; 8:36; Rom 9:16, and other passages. And where any teacher or preacher is unsound on these basic truths, no confidence must be placed on him on any other subject. If he is all wrong at the foundations, his superstructure is bound to be faulty.” —Taken from a “Letter to Lowell Green, August 19, 1934? by A. W. Pink (1886-1952)

Rome believes essentially that the will of man was affected by the fall of Adam but not taken prisoner to the fallen nature of man. Hence, Rome denies the bondage of the will to the sinful nature of man. Rome believes that man can, with aid from the Holy Spirit but not enabled by the Holy Spirit, make a completely free and unbiased choice for Heaven or for Hell.

see answer to question 7

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News Item5/11/14 2:27 PM
Liza J  Find all comments by Liza J
Ladybug, Dorcas, John UK........

Mike NY,

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News Item5/11/14 11:38 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Dorcas,
I agree with you, God has indeed used A.W. Pink mightily. I've read oodles of his stuff and am always blessed. From Ian Murray's biography on Pink, here are the words of Mrs. Pink - “...One night in May he had a seizure which lasted several minutes. After it passed he said, ‘I shall soon be home in glory, I cannot go soon enough. “Bless the Lord, O my soul and all that is within me, bless His holy name”. I am so happy, I feel like singing through that psalm’. He observed I was weeping and asked, ‘My dear, why do you weep? You should be rejoicing that I shall be soon be home.’ I told him I was weeping for myself at being left behind. I knew it was good for him but I dreaded the separation. He gently said, ‘The Lord has been so wondrously good to us all these years and brought us safely through until now. He will not desert you in your hour of greatest need. Only trust him with all your heart. He will not fail you.’”. I pray I might be as brave on my day of departure!
You can find a ton of his writings by visiting http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index...
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News Item5/11/14 11:24 AM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
Ladybug wrote:
"The love of God is uninfluenced. By this we mean, there was nothing whatever in the objects of His love to call it into exercise, nothing in the creature to attract or prompt it. The love which one creature has for another is because of something in them; but the love of God is free, spontaneous, uncaused. The only reason why God loves any is found in His own sovereign will: "The Lord did not set His love upon you, nor choose you because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: but because the Lord loved thee" (Deut. 7:7,8). God has loved His people from everlasting, and therefore nothing of the creature can be the cause of what is found in God from eternity. He loves from Himself: "according to His own purpose" (2 Tim. 1:9).
continue reading A. W. Pink's writings at http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Attributes/..
Thanks for posting these wonderful truths from a most faithful servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. His written ministry has been used mightily by God.
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News Item5/11/14 10:38 AM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
"The love of God is uninfluenced. By this we mean, there was nothing whatever in the objects of His love to call it into exercise, nothing in the creature to attract or prompt it. The love which one creature has for another is because of something in them; but the love of God is free, spontaneous, uncaused. The only reason why God loves any is found in His own sovereign will: "The Lord did not set His love upon you, nor choose you because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: but because the Lord loved thee" (Deut. 7:7,8). God has loved His people from everlasting, and therefore nothing of the creature can be the cause of what is found in God from eternity. He loves from Himself: "according to His own purpose" (2 Tim. 1:9).
continue reading A. W. Pink's writings at http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Attributes/..
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News Item5/11/14 10:30 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Realizing some folk don't like to hear it, that's love you see displayed on the cross, Mr Pink and company. The purest kind.
Mike.......

Harsh, eh?

Methinks you should read every article by Pink on God's love for sinners instead of falsely accusing him and his ilk of misrepresenting the character of the Lord God Almighty.

Now there's a penance for you!

Oh boy!

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News Item5/11/14 10:22 AM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
MikeNY,

God did not have nor need a 'motive' to send His Son to the cross, Christ was the propitiation for sin; He chose to save some through the cross of Christ because it pleased Him to do so.
There HAD to be a sacrifice for sin, for the sake of His people. Understanding God's holiness and His absolute hatred of sin is essential in understanding the cross. Too many want to overlook God's hatred of sin and His holiness and exalt only His love. The free will theology exalts a God of love, but denies pretty much everything else.
God loves His elect, so He gave His Son. However, there's so much more to the cross than simply saying it's His display of love. The cross is a display of God's wrath, as He poured it out on His only Son. I recommend Pink's 'seven sayings of the Savior on the cross' for you to read; Pink does NOT exclude love from the cross, neither does he center the cross entirely on love.

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News Item5/11/14 9:06 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
ladybug wrote:
---
"When Scripturally expounded the Gospel presents the clearest demonstration and the climacteric proof of the inexorableness of God’s justice and of His infinite abhorrence of sin. The Gospel shows us how unsparingly God deals with sin. It reveals to us the terrible sword of His justice smiting His beloved Son in order that atonement might be made for the transgressions of His people. Calvary supplied the most solemn and awe-inspiring display of God’s hatred of sin that time or eternity will ever furnish."
---AW Pink
Apparently Mr. Pink thought God's motive in sending his only begotten Son to Calvary, was to make atonement for the sin he rightfully hates. That was the means both the Father and the Son chose to use, but it was not the motive. Justice could have been served by destruction of the human race. Realizing some folk don't like to hear it, that's love you see displayed on the cross, Mr Pink and company. The purest kind.
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